Western Sun & General Advertiser, Volume 20, Number 51, Vincennes, Knox County, 30 January 1830 — Page 1

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VINCENNKS, (1NIJ.) SATURDAY, JANUAKY 30, 1830.

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THE WESTERN SUN.

(already surveyed was considered sufficient

to ii. i . r lor the demand. IS published at g2 50 cents, for 52 num- ; . , ,, . , ... . . ,. , i i t" ii i Mr. IiEMON said that he did not challenge !ct s ; which may be discharger! bv the nay-, ,, . . . . , .. . s ,Jnf nnU.nrsuL.inn,. llc n3hi the Senator from Connecticut

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(self was not opposed to resolutions: on the

Payment in advance, being the mutual in-

. .. 1 .-, i . v , contrai v, he thought they presented the best A tailurc to notily a wish to discontinue at 1 , .s . 1 r .. .i . rii I ? ,ir ...mode ot presenting subjects lor discussion. the expiration ol the time subscribed lor, will j 1 . , , . .

ed at, in its simplest form, unconnected with ; the details which trammel and encumber it

sucn as may be desirable lor wood, or outlet, j pass ? He would ask, was it not impo.iai.t or to keep off a bad neighbor, to the farmer j to institute the inquiry, even for this (--use whose estate they adjoin, or to a poor family, alone. He never changed his views as 10 but no object to induce cmigiunts to come the propriety and necessity of making n.quilorm other States. So much, suid Mr. IS. nts; he was always in favor af iluoho

101 cnccKing emigration, iiut 1 have ancth- : would prune wherever it wa nccrs.v-h

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be considered a new engagement ; ok no sub

scribcr at liberty to discontinue, until all ar- ...... ... n .fti.! ili!erfr!Ki rc llilH'l inl' llin

s , . . , . . 1 in a bill. It was then debated on its own pos are on their papers when sent by mail. . Tr r, ,. ...

Letters by mail to the Editor on business

must be paid, or they will not be Attended to.

Pnotiucr. will be received at the Lash

committee, it went with the advantages of be ing illuminated by all the light which the in-

...... .- , ... :r , ,. n , i tclhgence ol the whole body could shed upMarket Vice, lor subscriptions, ii delivcied nn .? .... ',. .. 1 1 ' ntl IT. Hp vrt vi lintr n r icrntc line frm

withinthcycar ! lut5on Ho wisbcd tob do so h wa5 one of Aijvriitisf.ments not CKCccding thirteen J i n fi flit c moment to the new States in the lines, will be inserted three times for one dol- j West. It was a question of checking the emlar, and t we nty-fivc cents for each after in- j igration to them To stop the surveys to scrtinn longci ones in the same proportion. ! suspCnd the sales of fresh lands, was an old ferTM'crsons sending Advcrtiserticnts, must janj favorite policy with some politicians. It -pecily the number )t times they wish them had olten been attempted. The attempts inserted, or they will be continued until ord- wcrcasold as the existence of the (iovem-crc-1 out. and must be for paid accordingly. mcnt jc wiiiilC(i t0 have a fuj tcbalCl an(i a-.u1-1 .l ""rr"?r? , a vote of the Senate upon that policy He CONGRESS. j knew the mover of the icsolution Mr Foot in sf.natk, dec. ! to be a direct man who would march up fit m The Following resolution sub'nitted vester-' l)' t0 bis object. He would therefore, sugdav bv Mr. Foot of Connecticut, way taken HCst- la -c ad ctlc--. h ge the form of his up for consideration : ! lfISbition give it an imperative character Revived. That the committee on Public 1 makc t a resolution of instruction instead ol Lands be instructed to inquire imc the cx- ln(llnr He paused to give the Senator an pcdiency of limiting for acertain period thr opportunity to say whether he would thus sales of the publie 'lands o such lands only modify his resolution as have heretofore been offered for sale, and j Mr. Foot acknowledged the kindness ol arc subiect to entry at the minimum price. I l,,c gentleman from Missouri, but he must J ' . .... : .i.4 i- i i . . t. ... . . i

And also, whether the olhce ol Surveyor) MKU "v nau ,UH ic vauiijr lopicmnu 10

would icer spare the knife. He was an ad-

vocafc of !elorn,M in the true and ligitimatc sense ol that term not of that sntcies.

er objection to the grr.t!enuiii plan. It will

i operate unctpially and paitially i.rnong the

western States It will fall heaiily upon

some :iaics ana not touch others How ; ol Kclorm" which rclorms a good n.ai, out would it operate in Ohio? Not at all. It of office and puts a bad one in which rcwould have no effect there: All her lands moves an opponent for the purpose ot subhave been surveyed, all have been offered for stunting a lavorite. When we do r.ot want sale, and would, therefore, still be in mai kct, officers lu us dischai ec them.

Gm-ral may not be abolished without detriment to the public interest. The rosoliriun having been read, Mr. Hf.nton hoped that the gentleman fro n Connecticut Mr. Foot would take notice ol the requc' he had made to another gentleman Mr. Bah ton but w hich w as in-

tended to 'tin

understand this subject, and therefore could

not consent to give the resolution that pre cmptory character which he (Mr l ) wished lor. His object was inquiry, to obtain information. When the committee shall have reported on the subject, then would be the time for gentlemen to submit their views on it. He w as not disposed to alter the phra

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Mr. Foot replied he certainly would j oology of his resolution. He preferred to

take n niceof the challenge given by th? j aci "P 11 as u was. gentleman from Missouti, Mr, Urntov! Mr Bknton said that the refusal of the although he had hoped ihc very ici ms oF gentleman to modify his resolution could not resolution would be sufficiently cxplana j prevent him from treating it as a resolution toty ils purport. II had, he said, beun of instruction. Ho could still oppose it, and induced to offer that resolution from the cir-j give his reasons for doing so It was not cumstanee M having esumin-d tho report of j usual, .Mr. 1$ said, to oppose the reference the Co ivtiissinner ol th'' La d OiVu e at the ol resolutions ol inquiry ; but this was a rcso last Scsvi-n, by vnich lie asrertainc -d that the ' lution to iivjuite uuo the expediency of com quantitv f latvl which remained unsold at j nutting a great injury upon the new States the iiiiumii n price ol S1 23 per acre, ex-, in the West, and such an inquiry ought not cceds 72 ..000,000 of acres In aJditieti to ' to be permitted. It was not a fit subject for this inducement, be was actuated by another : j inquiry. It was immaterial to him what the On examining the report of the Land Com- i design or object of the mover might be, the missioner made during tin- present session, effect was what he looked at, and it was clear in which be found the following ords : j that the effect, if the resolution should lead 14 i here is reason to belirc there will be an i to correspondent legislation, w ould be to " annual demand of about one million acres check emigration to the western States. tl of land, which will probably be increased Such would he its inevitable effect. Mr. "with the progress of population and im ! Foot here shook his head. The Senator prov men. &n fhat he cash s-ilcs in one , from Connecticut shakes his head, but he Pitiic' in Ohio, where the Fouls were of j cannot shake the conviction out of my head, 41 inferior quality, and not more than three or said Mr Ii. that a check to wcstci n cmigra

"four bun bed thousand acres tor sle, tion will be the etiect ol this resolution Ihc

Vct is my country ; not

"amounted to 835,000; and in other places " whet ' there oi ncoso qo entities, and of

he does not.

his I know it ;

I know the practical effect of

" veiv supr.tim qualitv, thr sale, during Ii323, his tesoluiion would be to check emigration

" nm-.un'ed to onlv ftOOO j to it : lor who would remove to a new eounFim t'n: statem'-nt o'' the Commissioner, ' try if it was not to get new land ? The idea Mr. F. sV;d he was induced io institute an of checking emigration to the West was

inquiry the expediency of slopping, brought forward openly at the last increase ot

for a litr:.'d time, this indiscriminate sales the tariff. The Secretary of the 'I reasury

of public hivls, 1 w hether the public in-, gave it a place in his annual report upon the

torcst did iv demand 'ho an end should be : I ounces. He dwelt openly and largely up

put to i'. Mis own state evcrv Sta'e in t he ! on the necessity of checking the absorbing ITn.'on was interested in it. since thcr lan. Is force of this emigration, in order to keep

are the c " in property ol the UmOn, ! people in the Last to work in the manulacto

Vit-tt s. V e act was as it w stated m t he , t ies. I commented somewhat severely up

the snSjcct was orion his report at the time. I reprobated its

land at present in the market, of which it

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is to stop it. I hc sentiment lus shown itseit appears mat oniy one minion a year can oc

here in different forms, nt various times, and r. W c have thcrclorc irom tnese caicu

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thy of Hqnt' v F. thought it w.s better doctrines I did it in full Senate, in the cur to coofine. t!ic sales mctely to tho',r lands ; rent of an ardent debate, and no Senator con

which have been alreadv Iv ought into market; U steil the propriety of the construction which

rm ioMoit v into ho. rvivvbenev of which was 1 I had nut onon the Sccrcttv's words. No

all that his resolution proposed As he gen-j Senator stood up to sav that emigration

tlrmcn from Missouri Mr Bf.ntov") hatl ob-' ought to bo stopped for that purpose; but j

rvvri . us was a suoicci wmcn invoivec svsicmauc cuons co on, me euecv. ui whilh

i'.'portant interests the whole United States hwr a deet interest in it; and as such, he

hooed that be had a right to make the pro. ; has often been trampled under foot

nsed inuuiry. These were the reasons, i resolution now before us involves the same

whu-h he said be stated briefly, why he was , consequence?

induced to offer the rcsobition. -What are

Mr Holmes made an inquiry as to that ! would limit the sales i What are they

pirtnf ihc resolution relating to the proprie- j could be sold, if bis resolution should take tv of abolishing the Office of Surveyor Ocn- effect ? Scraps mere refuse the leavings rral. There were, be said, five Surey Dis-j of repeated sales and pickings I Docs he tri'M in the United States one Northw est suppose that anv man ol substance would rc of the Ohio, one South of Tennessee, one in I move to the West for the purpose ofestab Missouri, one in Vabama. and another in ' lishing bis family on these miserable remFlorida. These Officers, in the Districts he i nants ? Thcv arc worth something to those had mentioned were known by different j who arc there, to farmers whose plantations names; some were called Survivors (iene- j thev adjoin, to settlers who have made some ral. He wished to know, tlid the g -ntleman ; improvement upon them ; but they arc not from Connecticut mean to extend his enquiry j the object to attract emigration. The man to all these States. , that nocs to a new country wants new lands; Mr. Foot said he was not aware oTanv dif- he wants first choice; be docs not move for fcrcncc in the name of the officers when he" refuse, for the crumbs that remain after oth-

nibmittct! his resolution. His object was toicrs arc served The reports of the Hegis-

these seventy millions to which the gentle-

man refers, and which alone would be in mar

under the gcntlemans's plan; every acie within her limits would be open as ever to sale and settlement. How would it operate in Louisiana? I wish the Senators from that State would answer the question It would stop the surveying where millions arc yet to he surveyed; it would stop the sale where millions are yet to be sold; it would lock up twenty-five million. ot acres ol her soil! would prevent twenty-five millions of acres from being surveyed and sold ! Such, said Mr. B. would be the difference of the opera tion of this plan in the two States of Louisiana and Ohio. The Federal Government

has done nothing tovrards settling Louisiana, for I count as nothing the two hundred ihous

and acres which she has sold in a quarter of of a century The Kinirs ol France and

n ' Spain gave the five millions of arpens which

compose its settlements. 1 or all that the

Federal Government has done, that State would now be a desert, and the effect of this resolution would be to crown the policy that has held her back, by locking up twenty-five millions of her soil from further use. This, however is a subject ol too much moment to be disposed of in this brief way, or to be sent to a committee of inquiry. I have not lisen to speak to it, but to make a motion not a

motion to lie on the table, for L dislike ihat mode of getting rid of a subjectbut to move to place the resolution upon the calen

dar, to make it an order for some future day,

that the Senate may discuss and act upon it

alter the holydays, when the members arc all

present. Mr. Noble said it was unusual to vote against a resolution simply of inquiry, but the object of the one now btfoie the Senate was Jtoo palpable to be misunderstood When, said Mr Noble, I sec such a disposition manifested on this floor, as that which dictated the resolution of the gentleman from Connecticut, I cannot be silent. He well recollected, and he supposed it was within the memory of many mcmbeis of the Senate, when the Governor of a State in that region ol country, alluding to New England submitted to the Legislature of the State over which he presided, a message urging a measure similar to that embraced in the present resolution; and we as well recollect the feel ings of public indignation with which it was treated. If gentlemen were determined to press the reolution forward in its present form, thev might do so; it will still be a legitimate subject for discussion, af' r the committee shall have icported. But, as it had been observed, he would prefer to meet it at the threshold. He would move, therefore, that it be laid on the table, and made tu o-

derof the day for Monday next. Mr. Holmes expressed his regret, at so early a stage in the new administration, to see symptoms of an inclination to prevent inqui ry lie supposed that the operation of inquiry would be certain be had expected that it would be necessary to institute an inquiry to discover whether any offices existed in our government which were sinecures, in order that they might be abolished. It was not, he said, his motive in supporting the adoption of this resolution, to check emigration to the West. Western States are a component part of our common country, and he trusted in God they would always remain so. He was not an advocate of exclusive or sectional legislation. But the fact here devoloped is

that there are seventy-two millions of acres of

Mr. II. Said. llC I CCOllertt rl bpinrr o mm.

ber o! a committee in 'Sir, in the Hcue of Representatives, to inqu'nc into the abuses which, it was thought, had cr pt into h Executive Departments. That Committee was supplied with large powers; they could call for persons and papers, and could issue subpoenas ad testificandum So "sraichin" weie ihcir " operations" that they were repeatedly obliged to exercise their powers. Flic result of our labors was, said Mr H that the different heads ol the departments ui ted together and gave us the basis ol the act of 20th April J8I8. He was, he said, in the Senate in 1821, a member of the Committee on Finance, which was then cmbloycd in reforming abuses in the customs, and exerted his humble talents in passing the act of the 7th May, 1322. He recollected, also being once associated with the gentleman from Missouri, (Mr. Kenton-; on other subject of reform he meant the control of executive patronage and the abolition of useless i.Cm es. The gentleman from Misscuii was chain- an of the committee and made the following able report, to which he (Mr. II ) would beg'cr.e to call the attention of gentlemen for a lew minutes, Mr. II. then read the following passage: " Mr Benton, from the select commitrec to which was icferrcd the proposition to inquire into the expediency of i educing the patronage of the: Executive Govcrnm- m of the United Stales made the following Report : That, after mature deliberation, tlx Committee arc of opinion that it is cxpec'i. n to diminish or to regulate b Mw the Kxc. o.ive pationage of the Federal Governrrtm never the same can be done eonsis-tniu the provisions of the constitution, an vi'hout impairing the proper efficiency Mina Government. Acting undei thh con r .n, they have reviewed, as careful!;, as ):- n .d other engagements would permit tl-em io . o, ihedegiee anu amount ol pationage iuu xerciscd by the President, and have ;!riv o at the conclusion that the same may and ourht to be diminished by law " Executive patronage! From all this, and what else he had observed, he hart come to the deliberate conclusion that the Executive patronage 1 has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished " Mr. H. proceeded to tead a few other passages from the same report, as follow: " The King of England is the fountain of honor:' the President ofthe United States is the soursc of patronage. He presides over the entire system of federal appointments,

joi-3, and contracts tie lias power over the support' of individuals who administer the system. He makes and unmakes them. He chooses from the circle of Ids friends and supporters, and may dismiss them, and upon the principles ot human action will dismiss them as often as they disappoint his expectations His spirit wili animate their actions in all the elections to State and Federal rffices There may be exceptions, but the truth of a general rule is proved by the exception. The intended check and control of the Senate " without new constitutional and statutory provisions will cease to operate. Patronage will penetrate this body, subdue its capacity of resistance, chain it to the car of power, ar.d enable the President to rule as easily, and much more securely, with than without the nominal check of the Senate." "Your Committee have reported the six bills which have been enumerated They

I do not pretend to have exhausted the subnet-

! ions enough to supply the market for 72 j but only to have seized a few of its pr -rninent vaistocomc If then at the end ol 72 years, point. They have only touched infour pla-

:cnccs, but in a new phraseology . ! a similar inquiry to that now contemplated j ces the vast and pervaing system of Frdtial are the lands to which the gentleman ; is proposed, it might then be said that the i Executive patronage: 'he Ireg the Post imit the sales i What are they that i motive which induces it is a dcsiic to cheek Offer, the Armed I'oree.and the Jfifiointing

emigration to the West. Suppose, according to the reasoning of the gentleman from Missouri, (Mr. Hf.nton) that it is all refuse lund all poor land then certainly there is much need of inquiry very much indeed. How, be would ask, has it happened that these surveyors have surveyed land which is good for nothing ? 1 low has it happened that so many thousands of dollars have been ap propriatcd to survey lands which no one will inhabit ? Docs not this, state of things indicate the necessity of instituting an inquiry ? If this office of surveyor is a sinecures, he hoped the doctrines ofthe dav would be extensive in their operation, and that all sinecures would be abolished. If officers have survey ed 72 million of acres of bad land, of which one million only is sold every year

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ed his resolution 'o mciuue surveyors as kct, unucr nis pian, io oc sucn :n i iuw n i v " - ' " " Avcll as Surveyors General. His object was j presented it: the good land all pVkcd nut. j not inquire why it is so ? Should we not into abolish the office if the quantity of land j inferior and broken tracts only remaining, quire why this state of things Ins come to

inquire if the Office of Surveyor ought not to be discontinued, if it should appear that cnrtrfv w c'c no lon rer ncc.earv. He wish-

Vomer. They are few, con pared to the

whole number of points which the system presents, but they arc points vital to the liberties of the country. The Press is pu foremost because it is the moving power of human action : the Post Office is the handmaid of the Press : the Armed Force its executor : and the Appointing Power the directress ofthe whole. If the Appointing Pow-

j er, was itself an emanation of the popular

will, ifthe President was himself the fTmccr and the organ of the People, there would be less danger in leaving to his will, the sole direction of all these arbiters of human life." Solemn language, this, said Mr. H. 1 he Committee reported six bills, in one of which is this extraordinary provision : " Sec. 2 And be it further enacted. That in all nominations made bv the President to the Senate, to fill varancirs "CcuMcntd by an exercise of the Preaideni'a power to ;:muvo