Western Sun & General Advertiser, Volume 19, Number 2, Vincennes, Knox County, 16 February 1828 — Page 1

EEKN SUN fe GENERAL ABTERTISEEo BY KLIHU STOUT. V1CKNJSNKS, (1NU.) SATURDAY, FEBUUAUY IG, 1828. Vol. 19. ho. 8

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Heie, then, is an unbroken chain of testimony, commencing early in October, 1824, and extending to nearly the end of the year, establishing, beyond all controversy, my tixed and unwavering decision not to vote tor genl. Jackson. This purpose is deliberately manifested at different periods, in different places, and to distinguished individuals who would have been the last in society that I should ha e thought of deceiving. '1 his testimony stands unopposed, ami, with truth, cannot be opposed by a solitary individual, There docs not exist a human being, and it the dead could be recalled, one could not be sum

moned from the grave, who couid truly 1 cstify tnat I ever expressed or ever intimated the

remotest intention to vote for general J. in

any contingency whatever. As to him, my

Jlddress if II. Clay, to the Public. (concluded ) It will be recollected that general Lafayette was in Washington during the greater part of the session of the presidential election. lie mentioned the subject to me with his characteristic delicacy: Without seeking to inlluencc my vote, or manifesting the least disposition to interfere in the election, he made a simple inquiry of me, which I am quite sure was prompted by the deep inteicst which he felt in every thing that concerns the welfare of this country. I am happy lobe able now to submit the statement o! the general ol what passed between us on that occa--lie says: 11 Messed as I in:vc lately been with the welcome, and conscious, as it is my happy lot to be, ol the affection and confidence of all parties, ami all men in every part w ith in the United States, tecliiurs which I most cordially reap ocate, I have eer thought myself bound to avoid taking any part in lo

cal or personal divisions. Indeed, if 1 tho't that in these matters anv influence could be

ol any Avail, it should be soleiy esertid to de

precate, net by ar the free icpuhlican, & full

discussion of prill-- i;dc5 and undidates, but

those invdius viand- vs, which, although 7 o

they are haopdv repelled In toe! good sense, the candor, and in domestic instances by the delicacy of the American njiHe, tend to irhc

abroad inconect St dispar.ogtng inipn ssions

Yet. that line of c nnlm. t. h o.n which I must

not deviate, except in immioent cases i ov out

of the question, does not im; :y a toig. f:l ness of facts, not a relnsal to s ate themoc

casioually. My rtmcmb'ance concurs with

your own on this point, that in the laticr end of December, either beloic or alter mv visit to Annapods, you bring out ot the presidenti

al candidature, and after ha lug ex pi csscd my

above mentioned motive of to; bearance, I, by way of confidential exception, allowed myself to put a simple unqualified question respecting your electioneering guess, and your intended vote. Your answer was thai, in yotiropinion, the actual state of health of Mr. Craw lord had limited the contest to a choice be tween Mr. Adams andgenetal Jackson, that a claim Founded on military achievements diu notf.meet your preference, and that you had conceded to vote for Mr. Adams. Such has been, if not the literal wording, at least the p ei iso sense of a conversation wmch it wou'd have been inconsistent lot'tne to can v faithcr St not keep a sect et, v bile a iceollcc tion ol it, to assist your memo-y, I should not How deny, not only to you as w 1 1 lend, but to any man in a similar situation." Genl. L-davctte was not ab e to ::tatc, with absolute precision, the date of the conveisa tion between us, nor can 1 undertake to sped fy the day, although I retain a peifcct recol lection of the conversation. It was, he says. tl in the latter end of December, either before or alter my visit to Annapolis, uu being out vX the presidential candidature." lie left "Washington on the 1 6th for Annapolis, and returned on the 2 1st. See Nat. Intelligencer. If the conversation took pkv:e before that excursion, it must have been on or pt "lotto the 1 6th of December. Hut be says that I was out of the presidential candidature." Whether I should be returned to the house or not, was not ascertained until the vote ol Lou isiana was known. Rumors had t cached this city ot the issue of it, previous to the uth of the month; but the hist certain intclli genec of it was bi ought here by Mr. Senator llouligny on the 20th according to his recollection. Un gen Lafayette's return trom Annapolis, the probability is that the subject of the presidential election was a common topic of conversation, as information had jut reached the city liom Louisiana I called to sec him immediately after his return, ami, as it hail been very confidently expected that 1 would receive the vote of Lonisivu, it is quite likely that it w as on that occasion that lie held the conversation with me. This would fi the day to have been ptier to Cluistmas. Hut, whatever v;n the actual day, there can be no doubt that it wasbeioie the memorable interview between gen. Jack- . sou and Mr. Buchanan.

they regretted that he had not been elected j 1 1 cmat ked in my circular to my constituents president instead of Mr Adams. General that me night bclore Mr. Krcmct's, as 1 waa Jackson replied, that if he wouid have mude j voiuntariiy intormed, Mi. Eaton, a senator the same promises and offers to Mr. Clay, j from Tennessee, c the biogijjpher of gen. J. that Mr. Adams had done, he (gen. Jackson) j (vv ho boarded in the end ol this city opposite would ihen, in that case have been ii, the pre- j to that in which Mr Kiemer took up bis asidential chair, but he wouid make no pi om- j bode, a distance ot about two miles and a half) ises to any ; that if he went to the presicicn-; was closeted lor some lime with him." tial chair, he would go with clcun hands and! This paragraph led to a correspondence uncontrolled by any one." .between Mr. Laton and my sell, in thecourbO To i his statement, Mr. William Crosdcil, ol which, in a letter from me to him, under who was present, subjoins a ceitificatc that ; date the ? I st Match, 1325. I observe : It is " that it is a taithful accoi.nl ol general Jack- j proper for me to add, thai I did believe, from son's conversation on the occasion alluded to.' j your nocturnal interview with Mr Kremer, Hoth of those gentlemen, I have been mio:--! rctci red to in my address, that you prepared mcd, are lespcctablc citizens ot Philadelphia, j or advised the publication ot his card, in the

i I have understood, that to the Rev Andrew : guarded terms in which it is expressed I V XV x lie, major Davis,.nd other sin Wasuinir- should be haony, bv a disavowal on vrmr nnrr.

mind was never for a moment in doubt or dit- ton, in ! nnsylvama, on one occasion ; at a , ol the tact of that intei ic , or ot its supposed iculty. And whatever personal predilection tavern in West Alexandria, in t lie same conn-1 object, to be able todcclaie, as, in the event I might have entertained tor Mr. Crawford, iiy on another; at Brow ns ike ; .at Lmeinna-j ol such dUavovrul, I would take p.easurc in o( whose slatr; of health theic were such op hi; at Louisville; and at Bowling Gicen. in dt c!ar it. g, that I have been mistake n in suppo-

posite representations in tnc puouc prints, j a tavern in Kentucky, gcnciai Jackson made ; sing thai you had any agency in tnc composiwhen I saw him myself there was no aliema similar assertions. Should ti.e addionai tion or publication ot that card." No occasitive in my judgment, but that which 1 embra- j pi oof expected an i c, it shall be presented to ! on can be conceived mote fit.ing lor an exced I have reason lo believe that gen Jack ; th? ; iblic. Wh.cthet such was the tlcaign or! pbcil denial of any narticioaiion on the mrt

son and his friends cherished no expectation Hot. neral Jackson apUL-ars to have poclai- ' ol Mi. Eaton, in the transaction titeried tn

that 1 wouid vote lor him. Lien Lall,the then ineci accusation, at such com eidei.' k sen delegate tiom liorida, v as his ardent and in- aiate point; . as would insure its general estimate frictnl, and had been his aid. 1 hey j culati u, W c have the tesnnu i y cd geneir.l travelled together on their journey to Wash- , DuiVGrecn. (w hich is at least adrms-rhlc on

ington city, in the tall ot i 84. in a letter j such an occasioo) that hv . t rnunall-i kne v. ol

action it let red to.

It was the subject of the correspondence between us, and J puiposcy uflorded him an bono: able opportunity ot avowing or disavowing any co operation with Mr. Kremer.

Instead of embracing it, he does not deny tho

from gcucial Jackson lo Mr. Lv.i'o -, which is genera' Jackson speakiog to the saioe efiVct i vi .it, n.r any inference from it t)n the con-

contained in the 6oih pugc of the 28h vol. i as ea!y as Mairh, I

82:,.

trary,l,e says in his letter ol the 3 1st March,

ot iNiles Register, he : ates that genual k ali j I bus H appears that, m Marrh, 1825, at va- i 1 825 4 Suppose the fact to be, that I did vi-

was with him on that jouiiiey, atid lie icleisjiious pl.-ces. in the presence ot m;.nv per-; sit him, ir Ki cmcr") and suppose, too, that to him as corr"l)oratiog ids own memoir ic- j con-, geiu ral J-,rks'.n t.ok upon himseli to jit was. as you have termed it, a nocturnal vilativc to a transaction at Washington (Peon repiesent thnt Mi Adams n.ade oiler s to me, ; sit ; was there any thine: cxistintr that should

sivania.; it is pi csumao-e toai toe election, ; and that d . na! n-ade similar proposals, he, j have dt rued mc this piivilege t" with its prospects and hopes, must have tie- land tkt Vr. Adams, w.-ud have been elect- j As Mr. Kiemer asserted that

quenlly formed a subject of couv ei sation on

the journey. It can' scarcely be doubted that general Call was well aciu dnted with genl. Jackson's views and expectations. At a tav

cm at Rcickvillc, in Mai laud, ab ut tiitc.cn i to the highwayb and market places" to pro-

he did not

ed president. With what truth tlun can he) write the le'ter to the Columbian Observer, asseit, :?s he has d;.ne, thvtt the " origin" of j and as Mr Eaton does not deny that he wroto

nis chaigc was two years alter war (is at Ins own fireside? Or that has not roue in-

cl jirn hir opinions ?

miles from this city, o'uiing that j i oe jour

ricy, geneial Call k several other pentiemtn engaged in conversation :dout tl;e joesicien tial election. John Diaddock, I',s'j ( a gentleman not known to me, but wh -, 1 understand, is a merchant of great rrspecta'oiiity)

was ptcsont: and he states that, " u htn the not ameared beloic a i;i ai;d jury to supj.ori vote whic h Mr. Clay wouhl prt!nbly giv c i a bill d " iruiirtmcnt aonitist nrj Neither did

Call dt ciai ed th d the !

the card pubdshed in Mr. Krcmer's name, th.e inference is not unfair that, having been Mr. Krcmer's adviser St amanuensis on ono occasion, he acted in the samr. rhanrtpr rn

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ocn.ot v.'hifh o-.igld accrue to nimselt Irom ll:c dissen.ination of such a char ge agat: st me, he is est! en i ly de'ous not to be co;.s"'d. t ;d ;)s ty fiul.-iic accUhi i'. !c has indeed

was spoken ol, ge.leral

iiicndsol genera.! Jackson flid not Clay to vote for him, an:! it he di i :

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In general Jackson's adibess 'o of liie 1 S ! h of Jt!v ht," trueii:n

01 statement to Mr. Tirvor'y. o-; e 'omuni eating the nan e of Mr lk:e- : 11.0, at 1 ga n tleman w-io hv.-e the iio.i;: iria; y .!!, io savs, t he 01 io in the be ; unooe ol t his mat

ter was at mv own house and huside ; v.fV

sinely a frecma;i riir.y be pennitud pak on public topics, without having asc:i! cd'to him improjier designs." From tln state menl a lair inference is, tl.ii' geneial Jackson intends to aver that he had nevci in ! te sno

ken of his chat ge against im Tho 11 ci igin, the;

the begmnn g ot this mailer was, he says, at his own fireside; thai is, it w as in March I 8 JT, u hen, ai cot ding to Mr. lievei Iv , belon

a ci owd o! 'com p. ny, i f w hich theie. weie no

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j.r.ftie 11 ai iidix nioa's, r veil as Is of ;k pic, in poblic e '.veil as

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, ' h. O ;;es ;;OOt her w ith a polu . 0 j .0. ksou 1 ; r , j r; s the double ny pn'iiic and private accusei . .e been lelm.Manlly compelled ' i -.a! ion 01 'urinated. W hethest ioisco:v t ifiion of the pur-

Mr 'In-!i:t':.m's inUTview wdth him. it k .

a iov o ii-. "o. ..,0.1 (ii:o!)f w ;s t he s-iui co ol uc

aiumny) or H orn the diidgn ot prou.oting lis ovro inter ihe injoty to me has been

ame. 1 he puiiic s 1 (ertaioiy had)

prior to the last summer, Mipposed thai 'he changes luul oiiginatod wiih Mr (J01 Kem:i Kite r tf) t!ie Columbian ()!): er v er. lint

1 ect lit d'Lclosui es ol get e ral Jackson and his

less than seven Virginians, he proclaimed Ids j partisans, satisfactorily c so biir.h that, altlm'

accusation. Ihe obiiga ion lo ob.v.ive the pri.iciples of honor, and to speak with scrupulous veracity of all men, and especially ol our competitors, i imaltVcied by time or place. i lie domestic fireside has no privile ges which exempts a man ot honoi Irom the Ioree of 'hat oliligation. On the conliary te.cte, more than in any o'her place, in the midst el one's family, should examples be ex nibi ed oi ti uth, of chat ity, and of kindness towardsour fellow men. All th.e sui r outjrog citcutustances tend to soothe the vindictive jjasions, to inculcate moderation. Whether the privileges of th.e domestic citcle, have been abused by general Jackson, or eel, in my instance, let the impartial wet Id decide The altitude in which he stood beloic the A

the s'eri ess ot ,ir. hi irtei s patuotisin pi ompt d him "to cr y aioud and spai e not," he must he stripped of the l onewedmeiit ol original invenliori, wh'nh rnpu ria: justice 1 ccjtin j s shordd now be 1 1 anrderi ed to a 11. or e di'tm-uislK d personegc. A luiel stimnaiy ol ineoii'.estib'e facts w ill evince the justiuss of this obvei v atien. It was toe poiicy with wh.ich the political campaign w as conducted in the wmie' 18215, by the tor ces of the general in the fttst uistance to pinci,e stiatagem with my 1. lends and rue. A ccordiugly the ai ts ot j c i s 11 as i n and battel y were employed liid as 1 did 1 ot hasten to i;ive in my adhesion, and remained most ii stv riously siient, in other v(.ids h d not converted mvsclf into a beKtcious ard

mciicati people, and the subsisting 1 ciadons ! eah us part -an (d general Jin kson, i bebetween him and ire, ore might have suppo- j came necessary to change that policy, and to sed would prompt him to the observance of j substitute intimidation tor blandishment the t;ic,tcst delicacy. Has he practised it ? j Mr. Kt emer prt scntcd himself as a tit agent If indeed, in an unguarded moment of hilaii-jin this new woik He was ardent, impelled ty, amidst his convivial ftiends, in his own do-i by a blind and mfutiatc zeal, and irrcsponsituictt he had incautiously touched a subject, 1 1 le, and possessed at lcat the faculty of (.la-respecting-hich he might have been expec- ! maious vocifei ation. IIi letter to the Co ted to proscribe to himself the most profound lutrduau Otiierver was pt cpat rd, and he was siletice, he miht possibly find, not any jusli instructed to s'nn and ttansmit it That he fication, but some excuse tor his it.diAtion, was not the author of the letter he has delib

m the public liberality. But what r.rAJt be j irately admitted to Mr. Crovvninshicld, 01 m

the general surprise when the fact turns out to be, that the " or'-.rm the beoinnu o" of this matter willi geuer.il Jsckson, was not, as he alleges, at his own fneside, but in public places, en the hihwav. at '.aveins, on boatd

er secietary of the navy. That he was not acquainted with its contents, that is, did not comprehend the impott of its tcimsjia? been mlTieiently establishetl. To governor Kent, colour 1 Little, (who voted in the house of rc-

a steam beat! I have expected t receive pw srntatives tor general Jackson.) colonel

testimonv to establish the fact of his vTorul- lt ent of Louisiana, and Mr. Diggcs, he dis

gating chat ge on all those varioii orVa- claimid all intention of imputing anything sions, during his journey on his retu'n from d.shonoriblc to mc. (See Appendix K ) coti'Ttcss, in March, At present 1 have j Who was the real author of ttie letter, pubcn'v obtained in pr lished in the Columbian Observer, to which Mr. Daniel L.ri;c testifies u tliat on my i Mr. Kremer affixed his signature, t will not wav down the Ohio firm Wheeling to Cin ! undertake positively toassett. Circumstan-

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cinnati, in the month of Match, 185, on boaril

the steamboat general Neville, among many other passengers were general Jackson and a Kuwbcr of gentlemen from Pennsylvania, some of whom rematked to the general that

Whilst he lias made no protest against any the oilier It is quite clear that the statements

m the letter to the Columbian Observer are not made upon Mr Krcmersown knowledge. He speaks ot reports, rumors, Sec 4Overtuies were said to have been made," Sec. It is most probable that those statements aro founded on gen Ja. kson's imci nretation of

under the oath ol j 'he obp ct of Mr. Buchanan's interview

1 low did he obtain the information which was omrminicatt d to the Columbian Observer J Upon the sup; osition that tlu letter was prepaid! by "Sit. Eaton, we can at once comprehend it He was perfectly apprised of all that had passed bervvctn Mr. Buchanan and gin JackkMi The c iiorhkrce of the lan-gu!S-en p vfdin tin leittr to the Co'umbwn Observe wiih that of gen Jf.ckson to Mi. Carter JLJt verly. is ver st:ikmg, and proves that it lias a common origin. Mr. Kirmci says "Overtures nmt- saidtohavQ been made o the fii-mlj (d CIjv, f ffering him the appointmerit r f sr creiai cf-tate;or his aid t iici M-. ArLrs" Ci n . J.tcksoa savskHe Mr Bur han:u id hc had been inioimtd by t biernlsol M. Clay that tl etii.ndsot .r Adan s had made overtures to them, -av ir.i , it Mr Clay and his friends uon d mote in aid id the 1 it ction ot Mr A d; ms, Mr ( lav shdo be secretary of state " Ihe vaiiatiou beiwem oher paits ot cho tvo btteis, a e not grratcr th-n otten occur in difi'ei ent nar rativi 3 ff the sane conversation I Ik y aic mi so rrrat as those wfdcfi exist in thi acn tints w ri h gen. J; ckfn has himser given, at d:R icr.t linu-s, d ihe sariiO tiansaition 'Iliswdlbe niMiifrst from a companion ot M. lk-vetlv's report of tho ci nv er Nation at tht Ilermitaj, ccntaintcl in his FavciH vidc ietier oi n t 8th d March last, with gt n Jackson's s-atenunt rf rho s;.me I'onv er ;ui(: , m his ht i to Mr. Bcveily,ol ti e fni. ol June, Spe. king of this lett "V r. Bcvtrh -.ays. in hi- letter to X. Z ne, isq that gin J .cksort -i ;sscits a gici.t ilc ' moietiun he ever told mc r.-i m tin intimacy whuh existed between gen. Jackson and M K i ri, and trom the tact, stated by them both, of the knowledge which eat li possessed id Mr. Buchanan's communication, it cannot be reasonably doubted, it Mr Laton prepared Mr. Krcmer's letter , that gt n. Jackson was acquainted with 'his tact. It is worthy cl particular observation, that, up to this, so far as I am informed, Mr. Kiemer has most csrclully loncialcd the source whence he derived tlx statements contained in his famous letter. The tancor ol party spirit spares nothing. Itptrvadcs.it penettudes every where. It don not sc ruple to violate the sannity of social and private inter rriu se ir suhsti'utes lor facts, daik surn.uis and 11 .iko,!e,t insi

nuationsit misr cpH sei.ts aid hold-, up in tahe and invidious lights, ii.ciduvs je. ferny harmless in thcms lvts, fd nidinr) ceuricnre, or (f n ere con u on civi i v Mo o than once, in thei agitatrd tin es. ha- unu peeling and innoeent con ersatior.. whic h I have held w ith an individual, ardwl reli I never entertain . d the slititi st npirinn va;to lie thr text of nevvipapei atiimadv tvic n, b tn published with scar.da us prrtri:o ir it o pub'ic prints, and supplied alin tut tor n alignant criticism. 'I he intrtrcmt se and itlalions betvTeen gen Jackson and mvelf hao furnished a copioui thcruc ol detraction and

cos render it highly probable that it was w rit

ten bv Mr. Eaton, k with the knowledge ol gen Jackson. In relation to the card of Mr Kremer, in answer to that which I had previously inacrtcd in the National Intelligencer