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the two countries, and to lay, upon jnft Si lihc-l grounds, thr foondtion ol a pcai vrhich, Icciiftng thr nhtb and intei Its oi both nations, Ihould unite tlu-m by tatting bends of anutv. l he lintnh ( ommiffioners thrn Qatf d th tollowing lit j its, js ti:. tr upon which It jpp mJ to tut in that the dtUuffions woutd be lik' iy to .u n, and on which tht-y wcrt in ft i udled. 1. l he trcib!e f. ;zurc of m winrrs on board ..f merchant vrills, and, in connec non wrh u, the claim of h.s Brttanntc j (ty to the allegiance ci all thr nim'e lub j CtS oi Grr at Bh it in. Wr andetilood them to intimate, that thr Britith gvrrnnient oid nol prtpofe - Ins point as one which they were partitnlarli d-li'ous of dtfmffing ; nut that, ds rt h,.ci octupied fo pronnnrnt a place in the ditputt between the two countries, it necefTarily ittradrd notice c was conGdered a? lub i which Irotlid come tinder difcuffion. 2. rhe Indian allies of G. Britain to Of in luded inthepacifi ation, and a definitive bound a ry i;j be fettled for their territory Vbr Britifh rommidioftera flated, that an arrangement upon this point wsa tne cua nan that tli.y were not authorited to c include a treaty of peite which did not einhr ice thr Indians allies of B itan r ic m j IK ; and that the eft blii nir nt ot a definite boundary of the Indian territory was nrct iTry In l'-cure a pe.tn nr-nt peacr, i ot only with the In ii ins hut iili'o between thr U. St ars and G. Btitaiti o. A revifion of the bound.ry line br twren the U. States and the adjacent B i tiih provii'CfS. Vyith refpeA to this point, they exnrefsly difclaimed any intention on the p rt of then govrrnmcnt, to wwr? an incrf (t of ter ntory, and feprefented the ptopofrd tettiion as intended merely ior thf porpoff of preventing uncertainty and diipute. Afti r having (Utd theft thrre points as r i e j els of difcuuion, thr B'itifl) rOmmif (loners added, that before the y dtfirtd any anlwer from us, thry frit it intUUlbent rp on thrrr: to decl-re. that the Britifh gi-7 rrnmrn' did not deny thr tight of the A meticani to th- oflieriea generally, or in ti e open f-a?, bat th if thr privileges formerly irrantrd hy ffeaty to thr LT. StSjtet, ot nfliing within the limits of thr B- itiOi jtitifdit tlon, am) of laedtng and Hrviiip fifli nfj the lh.rrs of th B itilii territories, would not He renewed without an tiiufvalenti The extr'it of Hrhaf w r fi lefed hv th-", a? w trfs peculiarly Brttiiri, was not

niiy of a contultation among ouifclvcs bet rr Wr givr "11 aiiiwcr. In the courfe ii the evening of the fame d y, W'- rrenved youi letter ot the 25ui ana 27.'i of j une. llrie could be no hr fita'ion on our part in informing the Brttffh Lommiffioners tliat wr wrrr not ti HruCttU on the fubj tts oi Indian pcfitrttion or boundary, and oi fi liierirs , nor uid it feem probable, lii.o' neither of thefr points hd been if a ted with I ffi irut preciiioii in tliat iiiit verbal con erriice, that they coulo te admitted in ai y Mi pe. We did not with, howrvrr, to pre jude the r folt, or, by any h -ity proccect Ing, abruptly t,i break fi iiir negociation. It was not mip. iTitlj that, on t he (nbieCl of thr Indiana, the Britith government hd reirivrd erroneous unpr Ifiooa ironi thr In.!i n traders in Cinaoa, w hich our reprt im t?tioris might remove ; nd st appeared t all events, important to alccrtain diftn cy

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ttegOtiatiUn lud ahcred the pacific difp ti t) irj ( f thr'.r c; nrrnmrnt, im Varied itc lit Ws r to the terms upon which it wa ling to conclude the p-acr. r anfwered that we heatd there cleric f?ti With 'M.-at PatisfaAion, it:d :hat our Stove? ttfftent h .d a eded 1 1 the prrp rial ol tieeoctatton with th mtsfl fi icere tie (ire Id put an tnd to tlii difftrtoacstM bich dividtc

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thrir renr w l ihe Britifti commifnoners fivinp fttrd. ' l l thrfr H ft t l! thl fn - j- , who h thr ir kended t brute forward or to fuirffelt teuueired to be informed whthef wr wen inftrU'led to entef into tiotivtion on theft h veral points I ho wheth t there waiim imongf! thefr which we ihot1 it unneeeff ry tofing into the negotiation I H,thr Icfired US to ttte. rn OU p't fu h rthet i 't i rs we rniht intend to pro of f u nifrulBtiti i'r the tomfe of rhe HegnCiatioO rhr meeting was then 'jurn d to thr next day, in order to -fljfd us lhe opportu

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agreeing to a y -.rtuJr icfpetSiii g rln fc At our n.c- ing on the enfuiitc d. v wre informed the : t f tommilBoners, that upon the tirlt and tt.ird pi i i t s propoi d bv them v r errprovid d with in(irtidli ns, Sc we pre fen ted as fort rr lobjrtfta confi n d by our government as fuirabie tor dil ufli n, 1. A (;rfinition of olo' katle, and, s tai as might be mutu llv agreed of other nru fr -l ii c! belligerent fights. 2. CI i ins of indemnity in certain cafes of Capry e ard frizurr. e then Hated tht the two fn; j tfts, 111 of Indian pacification ai d boundary, 3 of fisheries, were not etJibraccd b) oUi tntlrucf iona We o' ferved, tht as th-fr points hid I not b-n heretofore thr gr unds oi i y rrr.trr erfy, h tWecn tht povrfntOeUt t G. Britain and that of the U. States, dim had n'it been alluded ti hy i rd C It - ir-.Ji in his letter propoiing tiie negociatic n. it

iou!d not bt eXoeted that thev n oul h

hern anticipated and made the lu'j t of inflfucf ions hy oui- goecrnment j u.t it was natur.I t hr fupp dVd, that our ir ft uc-tio-is WCf confined to thofr fubjes upon which deflerences betw-en thr two nun tries W ItOOWfl to exifl ; and that the profiofition to t'efioe, m a trrnty between thf U. Stati s an I G. B itain, tht noundry ff the Ir.diifi p U iHoi s Wlthit) our rwn rrrrit ri-?, w-? lew ard without exanple. N 1 ftK h proviuon h id been i; f rfed in tl r :r ity of peace in 17k". rnr m any other treaty between the two ton itries, N Inch pi ul'ion had to our knowied.", ever brrn infer ted in anv tea made bv G. Britain i r itty ' ther nu'opeati pwrr in ref-atiort to rhe fame d fcription of pr pie, cxtfting unVr hk'- tircumflaftcesa We would ! y. Inwpvrr, tlwt i' c uid not be doubtrd. x t oeace with the Indians would certain!) f 1 i w a t race wifi (i. Britain Tht wt h d i- formnf i r, th -it Cnttltl iffiooers h u nUnd .-rn iflpotnted ' treat with ih m ; tbt a t reat v ' o h j t ' fT f might, pet haps, h - vr i,,, )4C concluded : and th t rlu U. 'f h i i T no itltercfi OOI 1 1 V nv t ir r tr notinue a fepar at w t -.tr i fl hr Ir(!i-is. hre could nver be a fiinm-nt whesi our veron ' would nut be difpofed to m kr ;r e lT' thr m. Yc then Utuccfftd our wtHt to receive

from thr B' it inrcommililonrrj; a ftateSienl ot the vir-w$ ii'j ohj-ct of G. But tta upon all thr points, and our wiltrngncfa todifcufa ihem all. in nroe i that, even H Uoarvangcnunt could be ?gr-rd or., upon the points; not ir. eluded in our n (huctn ns, the go em me.ut ot the U. x tdtrs might be p. SV fled of thr entire and precifr intenfiei s it thai oi G Britain, refpe&iog thefc poiutb, iud that thr Britifh government might br fullyinformed of the ohj -vfhons, on thr pjrt of the U. States to any Inch -rrangrnirnt. In antwer to rur remark that thefe pouiti had not brrn alluded to by ford C hlc-ieagh, in his Irttrt prcpnflng thr negotiation, it was, iid, thai it could not br expeded, that in a Irttrr mer ly intended to i v ite a negotiation, he fh old enunn-rtr tf c tc. ies of diK v ffton, ot ltte the pretr i.fions of iiis government; finte thefe would depend upon ult. nor etewtSj and mij he anfe out -i a iobfrQoent ftate of things. In r ply to Oov oOfer vat ion, tl at thr pro-p'h-d flipnlation of an Indi-n hound ry vraf without rx.in.plr in thr p .rfice of Kurr-pe-in nations, r v. a -(T rted, t ht thr J m ana muff) rn f n e for , be rr-. Hd red r independent poof?a fii rr tira m s wece m r!r ith Mirm, both by G. B ituin a ) hy the U. State ; onon wbnh . rtnted out thfl obvious -" d important T m ce between the trc ie5 v. t iNiL'ht nke With Indians, living i r, ct.r territory, and foth a tr--y s w-sp p led to br made, refpeiog thrtu, with foreign n wrr vhr h e! ' Irmn -c-knot ledge d 1- c rritory nj whtrhthri re Bded, to be part r- he U. St. e. We Were then V:(! iht- Rritifli com mtffionera Whether, in rafr r.!,,v fl.onld r t

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ial points v ti 1 1 i an Neriti Rated. w c-u'i rpret that it mi u' ! t rn inte by f me proviponal arrangrmefrt or. t hr p. r s n which We had io ii fl ii)ions, p m i uUrlw on tha' fefp ftn R le hdiaas; hi h arrangement an oW t ftt j ti tc thr r.tilfiction oi out goveri n r i ? We mfwered, tl before the fnbj were d Itu ctly : d- tt. o and il r . hi cii in virw more ore ' u difrl-fed, w could not detide whr the i i would hr p fljf to t. rm 'riy f tisf t y irticlc on ifu fol ri' ' tur to pledgee najr lei ves as to the r rtil f i difcrrtion under our powr rs. rvm Wi'h n lp. t to a prfvifion ! agrerment. c tdded, that we Sioold deeply deplore a 'ururr of the negMiatton or rv poil t it Was ouf anxious d fire to en I ! ! i. means to. avert an rvent f fmus in its con tV duet r es ; and that w had )t bean witlmuf l .-pa, th t a d h t fin n mief cor reft the en ct of any err one oi inf matiuti which the Britifh government tniht ! t r.-rrivrd, on tie fohj ef which they bad propofed 5 I preliminary b 6s Vr t'M k tl is opportunity rf remarje, t1 :it no nation ohferved a prticv m r, I.brri 5 humane towards tl Ind Jt I 'Imp ti at . urfurd by thf ..trs ; t' t our c i 0 ir d hern, hy ,.ll o U e meant, to inti lnc I tvitisatiofi n t ' fl thrn ; that teir pof-1-fii rS were fef Qtrd to th nl PV W I; ( f lined boundaries ; rh t ibeie p' rfor;, lr,j a r I o t h i r pr fper ty Vere I w nw n e fl Ct U alty protected aga if 0 art 1 ore r f. u 's from soy qu rrr. jhati they 1 d hf-rn un.. ft any I i Bef pfv-n mrnt ; thai even mr

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lands; tftat when thev a r op ti fir t. ' to vy portion r.f ) teir ru" ' to tl f U. Stares, it ws ty v rlun t trean w it 1 -nr Onvf mm 01 whr. fTHVr thrOl ' ,: - f fV f y equivalent j ai,d that thro' tbcfc mei;- 'us