Western Sun, Volume 4, Number 9, Vincennes, Knox County, 30 November 1811 — Page 2

IRISH At'i I IRS. 1MB I. IN, AUG. -i. Alerting l-.xtr:jt dinar v. Though the Cthohc committee at it nicetV.n; adj nirned to the 19th Odoher, a meeting eNtr-ordiiury was hcKl yefterday in Chapel ftreet, in ceiilVqurnce of tlir procLunti.m.of the Lord Lnutenant in council, of the day before. Lord Finit I was called to the chjir about II o clock, the committee rooms being crowded vith as-much good fenfr, integrity, propriety, and refpedabilityas we ever faw af. (Vmblrd under litnilar circuuiftances- Currespondent Lord l;ingdl faid, he hid a communication with Mr. Well-(ley Pole (which had already attained publicity,) in which he required tint Mr. Pole (liquid favor him in the thpe of a letter with any thing he had to fy regarding the Cuhohcs of Ireland, , that tits fentiments m y be hid before the committee. The letter he held in his hand was the confequence of this rrqurfUnnd the cjuMlion wss what 'ftep Ihould be taken upon it i(Loud cries ef llcars Hear. J Mr. N. Mahon moved that the letter be read by the Set ret y. Mr. Hay read the letter, which was veibatum as follows : r Dublin Castle, July 30, 1811. 4 .My Lord I have recrived the com. rnmds of the Lord Lieutenant to inform

your Lordlhips of the fteps intended to he takrn.by his grace, in confequence of the refutations of an aggregate meeting of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, held on the 9th inft. Et. Sec. and of the proceedings vhjch appeared to -lie in progrefs for the election of a reprefentative body, agreeably ;to th.ife refolutions. 4i I am to acquaint your Lordfldp that the Lord L'.rutenant has fummontd his Privy Couuci, for the purpose of confidrring the expediency of itfuing a proclamation declaratory of the law, and of the duty "which his grice tVrls to be incumbent on flim to enfotcr its obedience. The Lord Lieutenant has commanded me to add, that he h& been induced to dired t'ds communication .to be made to your lorddlip from the very high refpid his grace entertains for your lordilnps character; and from a "thorough convidion that your tordihip will, concur in all meafures nrcrlTary for preferving the peace and tranquility of the country, I have the honor to be, my lord, with the hiqheti rfprcl, your lotdlhip's rnoft obedient and humble fcrvant, W. W. POLE. "Mr. Dyrnc thought the qudhon of the convention ad Ihould be brought to the tell. He fH that Mr. O'Connrll, and oti:r tiD'Hfnt legl authority re ot opinion, tht wv are protedrd by the Lit cLufe of to- ad ; t!i govrrnmrn., tt appears, thmk OilV-ic..tly, and it is expedient thereDp n to decide the qu-fti ni at cure. The government ate ammanlr to the lawj as well s Citholirs ; and as Catholics ad conllitiitti: lly, fo the government fhould

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vithr.ut which life i not worth enjoying. (Loud appiaufr.) I'be .following refolutions were then read by Mr. FitszunNns. Resolved, That the Catholic commit tee, having adjourned on the 2 3th July', to the, 19th October, 1811, having not witl.ilaniiio, deeu;rd it expedient, to hold an extraordinary meeting on the 3111 July, in tonfrquence of a communication from government to the Karl of i?ingall, dated the 3()th inlt, to the following tfic : That the privy count il was to be afletrblcd to take into conlidtration the expedi. emy of iffuing a proclamation declaratory of the law," &c. Sec. 41 and likewife the coutfe to be purfucd to enfure its obfervance." That this committee, retying on the conftitutional rights of thefubjeds to petition the legiflature, in the way and manner fpecificd in a resolution to that cfied, paf. fed at the lad aggregate meeting of their body, do determine to continue and perfevere in the conftitutional courfe they have maturely adopted, for the fole, expref?, and fpecific purpofe of preparing a petition, or petitions to Parliament, for their full participation of the rights of the conflitution ; and, that in fo doing, they not only, in their opinion, do not violate, but ad in find conformity with its foundeft principles. , That this committee will never meet under pretence of preparing or prefenting petitions, but for the flrid and fole purpofe of preparing and caufing to be prcfented a petition or petitions. JXrTnat the right of petitioning fefured by flie bill of rights is recognized by the 4th and Lll claufe of the convention ad, in the words following.4 Provided alfo, that nothing herein contained, (lull be confliu rd in any manner t: 'prevent or impede the undoubted right of his Majefiy fubjeds of the realm to petition his Majefly, or both hnuftS) or either houfe of Parliament f r ledrcis of any public or private gricvThat the refolutions of the late aggregate meeting of the C.itholics of Ireland, holden ou the 9t!i July, having appeared this day in an imperfed ftate in a proclamation from government, we feel it expedient to republilh them, viz. 11 Resolved Thar being imprefied with an unalterable convidion of its being the undoubted right of every man to worflitp his cteator according to the didates of his own confeience, we deem it our duty pub. luly and folemnly to declare our decided opinion and prim iple, that no government can with jullice inflid any pains, penalty, or privation upon any man, for profefiing that form of chnllian faitb which he in his coufiieuce believes. u That wtV therefore flnll petfevere in petitioning the legiflature for a toul and unqolilnd repeal ot the perwl laws whuh aggrieve and degrade the Cttholics of Ireland. That in esertifing this undoubted right of petitioning, we fli-dl continue, to adhere to the ancient principles of the con. dilution, and to conform a'fo to the pecu liar rritndhms whi.h, by modern (atutes arc tmpofed on ti.e people of Ireland. " The entire meeting unanimoully concurred in this opinion ; the refolutions Sec. as thev aopeu annexed were then moved ami carried, when the meeting adjourned. Arrest cf the Catholic Delegates. DUBLIN, Aug. 9. After a week's drHa'ur ut the government, during which time the Roman Cub dus Convention, in the Speeches, the refolutions, and thrir par-giaphs, have denied its power, oppoled its orJunnces, and ridt ciileu its uicuSutcs, the proof is now given, tliat tiie proclamation w s no idle vunt. Some pcrfons wiio put ttKmfelves forw rd ntiier dt lrr4ies or rledors. are aireib-d : ud itisno to be fern whrther the Uw is itiong enough to protect its own enactment. The conventional ror-fiituents or mrm b.-rs, wr know no: wine'1, who were pref eut -t ttie rlcton in L tV y Iheet Ch -prl, rrr tbss morning pprehrnd.-d ' y the F-j tlitrb ot the iie id police odice Then nm-s tv!!ow . : Dr. o!ri J d pb Burke of Granby How. l)r. Hrrrn, ot An'j'V Iheet. Hmw lvii.ui' d 1 T-, Lfq. Banker, ot L"d Ffinu's Bik Dorni'.nck (Ireet. Gr"g.y St urlcg. L'q. Merchant of DjUiU'H k UrrT. r K'"Yani Eiq Merchant of Ah-

Thefe five rjentlemefi wrre brrught befoie the thirf jnltice of the King 's 11: r.i h, mi the chaige cf eiihcr hriig elrdcd delegates, or bfirg prefent r.t the tlrctiotv and aiding or' ililting theirin at Lttfry Orret Chapel, on the 3 i II of July, 1811 when s we undcilUnd they entered into Inflicient bail. t Thus the que ilion is brought to an ifiur ; and, it is now to be manned of by the country, whclhri the procl mation of the gov eminent can rnforic its enadment ot the legitlature ; or whether the proceedings ol the convention are to be jollified by quiiks and quibbles. For the iclult of this enquiry, that Hate repofes fuft'nirnt confidence in the loyal integrity of a Dublin Jury, to rrpofe its caufe-iii thcil hands. '1 he .informations have been regubrly taken before the Chief Jullice, and the warrant granted thereon ; the cafe will come before.the Grand Inqur ft of the city of Dublin ; to which, notwithstanding the prrjudication of cotiiifcllor St ully, the enablilh ed religion and conOitution of the hmpire will be fearlefsly confided. From this high tribunal it will pafs to the petit jury ; and from thefe thr-delegates may forward it .if it IV mall pletifc them to the Houfr of Lords. Vainly now may the com fellors and orators talk of informations ex officio, and the apprehenfion of juries. Thr gov. eminent has r.o fear ; the governmeiit will do its duty, neither intimidated by the threats nor prevented by the clamors of faction. If, however, the conventionalifls entertain no finifler purpofe, btit defire to try the qutltion in an open and legal manner, they will have the decency to ftneede from all further clcdions untill its finl decifion : This will be the faireft tell of their intentions and their principles. The enfuing term will bring the point to its ifiue pout if in the mean time they perfilt Jn this meafure which the goernment has hitherto prevented, the country will fee their motives not the trial of right, but the excitation of tumult ; not to obtain their ofienfible demands, but to agitate, to divide, and to inflame the public mind Patriot. The arreft of the Catholic delegates has occasioned a very great fenfation in town and it is faid, a privy council will be afiVm. bled tomorrow. We underftand that there are feveral warrants iflued ?gaiuft other perfons, who are not yet in cullody,' fur fimilar alleged offences Corresfpondent. 1 . august 10, From the Dublik Kvkning faosT. The arrest of Catholic Gentlemen. We Hull fitlt proceed to detil what oC-

cuired y-terday, and then rfT r lome ob- . f-rvtionson thr ferious, and we may truly fay. frdrful ftibjed. p - t Early in the forrnoon of yefterday, Henry Edmund Ta-affV, Efq. partner in the t Bank of Lord Fiench and Co. and Mr. Kirwan, merchant of Abbey. ftreet, were airtlled, under a warrant from Lord Chief Juftice Downes, for ading as delegates; id Dodors Breen, Burke and Mr. 'cur-j log, merchant, were alfo arrefled, fur ading as eledors of delegates to the Catholic committee. Thefe gentlemen have been , brought in cuftody to the houfe of the j Lord Chief Jnltice, and Mr. Carmichael having attended there on the part of Mr. Kemmis, Crown Solicitor, the gentlemen , fo in cuftody, required Mr. Carmiiheal to ftate to the Chief Juftice that tliey had been arretted without any prtvious infor- j mation, but they were defuous of having j an opportunity of advifing with coined s o thr coi (hn thry fliould purfu- iid that timr llmuld be granted them until this d-iy fnr that purpofe. Mr. Crniit he:;! l.id he would commun'u ate wlint w.s fo def.red to thr Chi-f Juflice, and havii g gne up ftdrs, rrturned in a few minutes with the Chirf luftice's anfwer, whiih s tnat lie could not trive fuch time. They t! en drfned Mr. Crnnch.eal to : Ck the Chief: Jufiice if it was his intention to commi: them to prifon, in cafe tliey did not then protUe bd. Mr Carmuh-el hniing a -iin retired, rrturned Coon after, and n n tinned that the Chief Juftice hi;l d jr-d I illl to fay, it bll W45 not gtvrn br w tild thru commit th perfons in uftdy in pii Ion. Bil w:s 4hrfwii! rpterrd for iCOOl. 4nd twofurrti-s f r 2t0l. -cfi. j LTpn thr bil brit. rntereii, Mr. Kir- j win ddrefiVd 'be Crown .b itor's Cl-ik, Mr. Carmichral. hi tlsr t ll-.tog wunb : ; Sir, I would with t t4vr j rpy .f thr is : formation on oitb, u.i!r wbtcli I ! luvc Lcca iucfud, -L;r.jv, J;umcd,ii 1 I

underfbnd thclut entUIesme to the fair.e.'J The Chief Jullice rrplird " It is not ufual to give if you will tike legal advice, c it you are entitled to it, the pecfoll you employ will obtain it in a Lwful way Mr. Taaffe made a fimilar application) and reteitd thr fme ?nfwer. We heard Mr. Taffe declare that ho did not con fide-r this extraordinary ad of power lo much a Ctholic queftion, as a violation. of the fubj d's right generally and with this vie w he would defend himfell by every means pointed out by the lavf and the conftumion. It has been It -ted to us on the moft refpedable uthoiity, that Dr. Breen did uoC attend the meeting at I f y ftreet Chapel, nor has he taken any part in thr rlt diori of delegates. Sin uld this ft atement prove true, and we believe it corredt, we ihn A wifh to know what value is to be placed on the information on oath, upon w liic h refpectable gentlemen are to be mniignrd to t hands of 'Conftahlrs the intuits of thcif runners, and the dmp? of a dungeon. Tipper ary meeting. On Thurfday, a numrrnus and refpfdable meeting of the Catholic s of the county of Tippet ry, took place in Clonmell. Wr hvr not room to detail the wbola of the procce dingr, and can only briefly ftate, that ten perfons were , appointed to . thr Catholic committee, ard a vote qjc thanks ws unanimoufly pafied to counfel lor Scully. .. , The, Catholic gentlemen received twenty diftinci intimations from mgiftratcs, fiur mg ilum of their dilTcnt from. the proclamation. Mr. Prittie, reprefentative fof the county was prefent: a d we under- , ftand Lord I.ifmore rfferrd hit fupport fliould it be thought neceffary.

( Concluded from last pagt.) V rifii reciprical fentiments of good will ; to regatd thr progrfs cf, events ; and not tobe unprepHrexl tor whatever order of thingo my be ultimately eltblilhcd. Under another afprd of our fituatio!T the early attention of Congrefs will be duo to, the expediency of further jrtmds "a'gainft evafions and iufradions of our commercial laws. The pra&ice cf fmuggling' .which is odious every- where, and particularly criminal in free governments, where tho laws being made by all, for the good of all, a fraud is committed on every individual as well as on the llatr, attains its utmoft guilt, when it blends, with a purfuit of ignominious gain," a treacherous fubferviency in the tranfgreflors, to a foreign policy, adverfe to that of their own country, ' Jt is, then tho virtuous indignation cf thr public fliould be enanled to manifeft itfelf, through the regular animadverlions of thsznoft .competent laws 0 To fecure greater refped to our mercan. tile flag, and the honrft interefts which it ; covers, it is expedient alfo that it be mads punilhable in our citizens to accrpt licenfes from foreign governments, for a trade unlawfully interdiard by them toother American citizens ; or to trade under falfa colors or papers of any fort. A ptohibition is equally called for, againtt the acceptance by our citizens, fpe. ' cial licmfes, to be ufed in trade with the United States ; and againft the adroiffion " into particular ports of the United States, of veftVIs from foreign couritrirs, authorilV cd to trade with particular ports only. Although other fubjeds will prelV more immediately on your deliberations, a portion of thnii cannot but be well bellowed on the juft aiid found policy of fecuring our mauufaducrs, the fucccf they have attained, and are ftill attaining, in -feme degree, under the impulfe of caufesnot permanent ; and to our navigation, the fair extent of which is at prefent abridged by thr unequal regulations of foreign governments.B fides the re-fo.ublenefs of faving cur manufidurrrs from facrifices which a change of c ircumftances might bring on them, the? naticn-ljntereft requirei, that with refped to fuch articles at l-ft as belong to our def ucr. anl our primary wants, wr fliould not bel-f: in unncccT.ry depend, rnce on external fuj plies. tAl.d whilft for. cifjn governments adhere to the exiftinr difcriminations in their ports, againft our navigation, and an equality cr lcfier difcrimination is enjoyed by their navigation in our ports, the Mi d cannct be miftaken, bcaufr it li4S been ferinully felt by our (hipping inter fts ; ind in proportion thii ukci place, tLc idvanugcx cf an hide-

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