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Mr! T. that these, sooner had the Pre-

Bunieu hi 10 i»g" ^r above,the *&ves of party excitements and influences, !nan he^ orized

SoS the genileman Irom Massachusetts 0 *o:out And tell in high places, on authoniy,

th®1fc?»

had iranspii^ Ms Cabinet and, not only 2u proclaim what had taken

Jettons between this House and the Executive depart intent ot Government, The public had been grawy ^told bv the President of the United States, or by those

fe| who sp£ for the Pnaident that, at the extra sess.op of Congrrite, a committee of the House called onthe "sr President of the United States in order to negotiate terms with him in regard to his duty as President of ""-the United States. Mr. T. now took occasion to say »that, so far as he was implicated in this charge, it was .totally untrue be hurled it from him with scorn and indignation. And he moat religiously believed it to '*be uillrae toto calo. Where were the men? ftame them. He asked for their names that the country might know-who of the great Whig party of 1840, Of which the gentleman from Massachusetts had own a member, it was that had thus dared to tamper with the 31 President, Mr. T- believed that no such communicatWn had been made with the President of the United^

States, either on the part of the Whigs in person, or by any portion of them that were authorized to make such a communication.

But this whole course of conduct on the part ot tne Administration, and of the gentleman from Masaacnusett a as itc organ, was but in keeping with the position

gsg was the first time in the history of eivdized menu when the Government of a couniry-th^e^oW wg possessions of the power of thetMwer for come into market openly,

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defender, wa»u»®«-« i- wnsnow trail-

backs on these promises of the Executive, you too, shall have your brains knocked out by this same fact in the ^Constitution That was to say, the Whig party in

Congress, with their majorities at the extra session, at the last session of this Congress, hnve been check-mated by the same veto power in the Constitution, and your majorities in the next Congress will be check-mated too, unless you como to the pupport of the President ot the United Statns in his peculiar policy.

This, said Mr. T-, was an open offer to the party constituting the minority on thisfloor, to prostitute themselves at the foot of the shrine of power. It remained to be seen whether the gentleman could get a bid tor the article he had thus offered for sale. Judging Irom the expression of opinion on the part of the organ ot the Democratic party this morning, Mr. T. should incline to think that at least that portion of the party regarded the article offered for sata as somewhat damaged.— [Laughter.] He supposed it must be a remnant of an old stock on hand. But it soemed that there were no bidders on the other side of this House, so far as one portion of tho Democratic party was concerned, and the gentleman might find that the President of the United States would again be obliged to exercise this scllevidenfr fact. The gentleman told them that mdependent of tliis fact in the Constitution—this veto power, -which was capable of being wielded by the President •for the destruction of the legislation of the country—

exercise in conflict with the freedom of efeoiionsj when they had been told, over and over again, thr* this Administration had proposed to establish iisell i. .1 .»!' MnMiti tliiBinhri nt 1

ui«nuiii«ini..

Mr. T. recollected that during the Administration of the distinguished and venerable gentleman from Massachusetts, (Mr. ADAMS,) there arose in this country a party who, on a bare suspicion (a suspicion which exploded on the examination of the facts) that there was what was called bargain, intrigue, and corruption between that distinguished and venerable gentleman and another high functionary of the Governmens, that there arose a patty who, for numbers, intellect, and moral and political power, had boen unequalled in the history of the country. All this oppos'tion to that Administration was the result of a bare suspicion of corruption, bargain, or Bales and yet, notwitastanding that event was fresh in the memory of the country, and of every man in public life who was not a tyro in politics, they here saw the tinw conic, in this era of boasted republican liberty, when an American Representative, representing an old Revolutionary State, one of the original thirteen, descending himself from a line of illustrious revolutionary ancestry, was found coming, into this Hall as a representative of the Administration, and fcoldly, openly, shamelessly offering the spoils of office »o the highest bidder. "How many Clay men are there among your clerks in Philadelphia1?" That was the mode in which these gentlemen were to be heard in the selection of a candidate for President, the power of appointment, descending from collector to inspector nil this was to be exercised with only one great object, in th« mind of the Administration, vi*: that its power might be felt in tho contest for the Presidency in 1844. Who dared to tell them that the Whig party hsd been trying to make their President here—to shape legislation for the unholy purposes of party? And yet ths gentleman admitted that tho vety object of this party, who were rallying around the Administration, was lo make themselves felt in the election of 1844.

There was something extremely ridiculous in tho idoa of the Administration party—of sucAft party coming into this Ilall of the American House of Representatives, and tolling them that it had the power to dispose of those two groat parties which were convulsing a nation of 17,000,000 of people. Mr. T. could not help but be struck, when he had looked at the remarks »f the ge&tlehufrtfie reported in the papers of this morning, of the similarity of the gentleman's position and that of an officor of the law In his own native Commonwealth. A constable of Massachusetts was called on to serve a warrant on some one of the sturdy yeomanry of that State, and, receiving a very sevete shaking from this Massachusetts man, the constable, assuming to himself a good deal of importance squared himself about, and said,

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banner under which lie hadthen rallied wasnowtrail in« having been Wed down from the proud stof, S, which fie had helped to erect it, by the Executive

^The gemleman'toid them that the Whig party had knocked out their brains against ihisj'faet" which ex.Pt ed in the Constitution, Laughter, What was that fact? The veto power, It was a self-evident fact, (ine gentleman had said,) standing like pillar before them, aninst which they had knocked out their brains, and as they no longer helped the Administration along, it was the high, solemn, responsible duty of the President of the United States, and those who stood by him, to

around and gain support where they misrlit— amongst the minority on tnis floor who would aid htm in carrying oh the Government. •*». But the gentleman, speaking by authority, said to the minority on this floor, "That self-evident fact still stares you in the face, and if you dare to turn your

that

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a high ground wi'lv tho vvnves of party dashing at its

This was but the determination of the President $ himself, declared to that staunch collector at the port of Philadelphia, of whom he asked how many Clay men there wero in his office! Of whatever complexion they might be, one tfaiufr is certain which the gentleman told them. viz. that there were gentlemen connected with this Administration who would be heard on the subject when the proper time cami). 1 hey had been heard on it. If the thunder which they had heard yesterday was hut the premonition of the comiu storm, let it come, said Mr. T., for it had been hel out in certain quarters that a mighty storm was brew ing, which would break in sunder the party already destroyed, and that portion of the party now in the minsrity, who should refuse to come into the support of this Administration—this bankrupt Administration.

'IS

would navo you under*

stand who you are shaking, sir. Whet^you shako me you shake' with these President* mv tu«w,«tv "*.«•« ..... v* we area fixed fact [renewed laughter] around this scat of Government, h-ro in Washington, aadihis isthe instrument with which to knock your brains out if you do not accede to our proposition aod vre wtll bo felt 1n the Presidential contest, let you select what candidates you please.'1 The gentleman from Massachusetts assumed for himself, ami this Administration assumed fcr itself, he power, by the veto power, bv the power of spoils, and by the power to contrwl all the appointments to and removals from office, to bring all the wilwiKt of the Government to bear on the contest fer the Presidency in 1844. And then, as if all that nao nwn mid about the Pmamieat^s conscience before was but Kite talk, the genitanan told them that this »eto power oTthe Conwitutton mitjht be brought to hear oo the tagistanon of the country, and that ihcircby they nught be checkm*t«d.

Mr. T. would ask thegwiileman from MasMchosetls if the TCto power was thus intended by the framers of the Const*! at ion to be nscri an instrument of party, even admitting in the broaden seme, what the gentleman contended, that the Prwideov of the United sat«e was a eo-ordinate branch of legislation What was tarisiaticn in this country if it were net Ute ouasammattoa of public opinion, of the wishes of the People •s expressed by their Represeatattrw It was in conalteration of this proclamation of public amnion frwn one end of the country to the other, tbst the repeal of this law was to be justified and yet the told them that this direct expression of meat* through the Renrcscatativrs of the to he checkmated hy the President, and all far the parpoee of enabling the Administration to coatrol the fcetioas of 1844, or to be felt in the selection of a can 4M«*i for tho Fmidcoey hi all the opf*w»»o of the Whig partr to the Ad* miti'ftration? Ocn Jackson md Mr Van Barns, it *'x

remai •oilonwn ilieaeniiwas

liig a vi vviw ii»k ut'id uw »»v purpose of enabling the President to accomplish his sinister purpose*. Yet the gentleman from Massac.hu ad be setts had been found at that time, tt^Mgn the President of the United States only claimed aruf exercised the veto power for the purpose of carrying out hisf individual will 0d congirmiig the CocsmtiHoa aahe understood it, raflfing under the Whig banner and opposing this accumulation of power in the hands of the Executive. And if lie could find in that -accumulation of power in "the hands oKthe Executive, under the Administrations of Jacksotrand Van Btirea something to be dreads), how much more was there to Be found in the startling declaration, now for the first time (and he trusted for the last time) made, that the President of the United States would add this veto power to the power of appointment and removal from office for the purpose of being felt in the party conflicts of the clay, thus accumulating power in the hands ol the Ezecu•ma ?a. «La MMtitninff tnA

tire and making it the instrument of gratifying the most ruthless and helTtsh ambition that could operate on the mind of man.

The gentleman from Massachusetts complained that the President ul the United States bad been badly treated, and that he himself had been badly treated by the Whig party. He had said yesterday that the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. WISE) and himself had been as much abused as any body.

MR. GUSHING (Mr. T. yielding the floor) said he made no complaint. He bad said that the gentleman from Virginia and himself had had more than their just share of the obloquy that fell on public men.

Mr. Thompson continued. It the gentleman from Massachusetts had not complained yesterday of abuses from the Whig party, he had complained before. .. [A voicc. "He complains now."]

Mr. T. would go back to another fact. He referred to the course of the gentleman Irom Massachusetts at home, and to his circular address to his constituents at the close of the extra session, when he had commenced his abuse on this House when he had charged that a caucus dictatorship had set itself up in this House to control all legislation, and to make Presidents instead of making laws. And yet the gentleman said that he must not be retorted on iu the same strain which he had used.

Mr. T. briefly referred to the Whig manifesto at the close of the extra session, and to the circumstances attending it. It was the gentleman himself, be said, who had commenced this war, and who had said that they were compelled to register this edict for the purpose of promoting the end and aims of a particular Chieftain for the Presidency. Suppose it was true, as the gentleman declared, that the President of the United States during the pendency of the second bank bill did make offers to his Cabinet to decline re-election, and that tlie Cabinet advised him against inserting it in his veto message as wholly incongruous with the subject, did it follow as a matter of course that the other matter stated to have transpired at that time did take place as stated by the Secretary of War! How supremely ridiculous would it have been, if the President was a co-ordinate department of legislation, for him to have announced in his veto message that he would not be a candidate for re-electiou! Just as well might they engraft on a statute passed by themselves that they were not to be considered candidates for re-election.

Mr. T. had hoped that the glowing patriotism which ran through the sentiments of the gentleman from Massachusetts as expressed in the Legislature of Massachusetts in 1834, on the subject of the veto power, itfould not so soon have been lost on the gentleman himself. He did not wish to anraign the gentleman lor a change of opinions for, as tne gentleman himself had said, those were the least apt to err who would be guided by the light of experience.: But it seemed to nim most singular that thedoctrinaaield by the gentleman in 1834 on the subject of the exercise of the veto power could have been uttered by un individual who

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4hat there is something else in *^0 ExccuiiBve0r""| here should^e people oT Massachusetts, by their to or in to he a a opposed to the Executive. What was it1? No more nor less than the system of spoils than the patronago of the Federul Government, which had been so industriously brought into conflict with the freedom of the elections during the last recess when ull the power of this Administration, Irom tho Secretary of War down to the gentleman of this House, had been brought into

predicted the consequences which would result trom this constant exercise of the veto power by the President of the United States. See what he said in 1834.111^ the Legislature of Massachusetts, when speaking about the exorcise of this veto power—of tiim

ffpcl

Constitution which was to be felt in the contest tor the Presidency in 1814. The gentleman says-~

And hero in this place, at this spot, Jteon these heights, where the beacon fires of ov.i f.ed(HHK were

assembled Representatives, enter their solemn protestation against Executive usurpation, and organize themselvrs, if need be, in vindication of liberties violently assailed, of their property wantonly destroyed." ... "Are we to laud tiie President to the slues, right or wrong, in order to obtain credit at Washington Is this principle

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Ave, sir, (said Mr. THOMPSON,) I ropont the inquiry, Is this principle? Are wc to laud tlicPrcsiuen'. to the skies, right or wrong, in order to obtain credij. power, or place Is this principle I Jt^is pot. It is an inpult to tho commoii sense of this House. It is .a tact that stands ont like ft"self-ovident fact" in the Lonstitaiion,agg

-iinst which the gentieman from Massachu I I I- ...a L!. /ttttn I in I

This was the language of the gentleman from Massachusetts in 1834, continued Mr. T-, in regard toMte exercise of this- veto power. The veto power in the Constitution was tho same (act then that it was now: it was the same instrument, the same machine and, it it was a dangerous instrument of party in 1834. it was much more so now, he niho possessors of it had the barefacednessto come up thorn that it should be used in the election of 184PIPletermine which of the competitors in that fight should come on victorious. Tho genileman had told them that he could not tell them who those competiiors would be. Mr. 1. hail hoped that tn that controversy those who represented tho opinions of the Whig party might be enabled to rally under that banner in contradistinction to the distinguished man who represented Southern principles that in 1844 the Whig party might have been enabled to rally against that man who entertained principles entirely the antipodes to theirs.

If that distinguished man of the south, standing, as he did, and boldly atid fearlessly maintaining his pnnciplca—against whom as a man of honor and integrity, no exceptions could be made—if that distinguished man could be rallied under the standard of the same party, then in the settlement ol the contest of 1844 we might have principles settled definitely^, so that there would be no longer a contest about them. But ha very much feared that this difficulty, to wh:ch the gentleman had alluded ao boostingly, would be brought about. When he saw tho seat of the Senator in toe other end of the Capitol filled by a distinguished man of the opposite party to him in his own State when he saw in the "Old North State" the sceptre deparung from that party When he saw tho rao»eoients in the Legislator** ofG©orgiat he began to think laat then? was something moving In the eoutests north of Mason and Dixon's line which would enable them to say with a distinguished chief that no principles were to be set-

''ifndoaing his remarks, Mr. T. had a word tosay to the gentleman from Massachusetts. He had endeavored to treat this "feet" in the Constitution-this terrible fact, which was to wield such a tremenduous power over the destinies of tho coon try fora long time to come —which was to control the formation and detwmiaation of parties in the contest of 1844—to treat the declaration hero made that the power and influence of this Administration were at the service of the part who would support it, at a fact ottered by a responsible gentleman on this floor, speaking by authority for this Administration. It remained now for the cobmry to ma who it was that wasprepared to receive this proffer of Executive support. The gentleman could not have addressed himself to them—to the Whig party—tor he had said that they were broken to pieces on tne buckler of Exceotive wrath—that they had knocked out their brains- Mr. T- therefore understood the remarks of the gentleman from Massachusetts as addressed peculiarly to the minority on this floor, and it remained for them to tell whether tber were prepared toooosaramate this alliance long shadowed forth. Tbey had heard something of this matrimonial alliance long ago, and in all affair* of this sort be believed it was considered that -silence gives consent and the country w»H be prepared to hold some of

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TOO

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notffoiluea tsaid Mr-

unless yon come out ana tell os how it is. fLaughter.) Y&ur leading organ tails us that, so Car cs that portion of your party are concerned, yon are not prepared to make the alliance that the article in Urt market is on good for any ihing- And I heard a w»am gentleman, (continued Mr- T.) whom I will not name, say that be was afraid to make a bid for fear it would be taken. But the country will not bold yott gfiiitiess

The g^tieman Irom'i&asBacbaaetu had stalked forth boldly and told us be wanted to make a bargain.— icarun

Who bidst «an*t dwell. Here is a self-endwu feet

mita^ Small weeai* ptewed, ,r«»g Can't I get a bid! Wot Oetttletnsa, the article mast be srid. Start it. «art it for Ood^i sake, for amnething {Shoots of

he did not feel a little mortification and regret when fee saw that banner under which he, with other gefttlemon in this House, had'so often and so long rallied, trailing in the dust, and trampled on by the enemy long of them both, especially when he reflects, as he must do, that he, one ot the former defenders of that banner, has been instrumental in dragging it dawn •«.

Mr. T.'s remarks-were here terminated by the expiration of his. hour, and he resumed bis seat.

THE SOJU&ltoS jitUTMJnti

RATAL COIJBT OV |IWHJIMR.

Reported for the Hem York Tribune.

THIRLFDAY—?RiOAT.

luaUjt of Ihe

llllQi wmwii "IV UUvH UttU U1 U*. AACr w«v of tho ptw He 1834, as follows+ "Are we to chain our conscience and our opinions to the car of a triumphant military chieftain? Are we to kiss the mailed heel which treads upon our necks and tramples us into the earth Is this democracy So have not I learned democracy. If to sacrifice principles, conscience, and duty for the sake of influence with the Executive he "democracy," DESIRE NONE OF IT and if ihe party success flourished before us, wo may say. as the old Roman did," Victrix causa diis placuit,, sod victa Catoni." In tho President's unparalled exercise of the veto power, for bat twice using which, Louis 16th was hurled from his rhrortfe—in hts unparalleled disregard of the opinions of the Senate and Mouse of fiepresentatives-in all this gentlemen may perceive the democratic character of tne Prfesident. 'I see in it,' in the language or the tenth resolution, "theDroots of his disposition to concentrate all power in the hands of a single individual."

Dec. SO,

The Court reassembled at 11 o'clock, and was called to order by the Prescient. Gapt. MACKENZIE came in and, in ANSWER to the President, said that hi# narrative was now ready. •..,*

The Judge Advocate rend the minuter^Nr yesterday, and Capt. Mackenzie presented iiis narrative, which he said would be foutKl both accurate and complete.

The Judge Advocate then proceeded -Id read the narrative, of which we present us Accurate a sketch as possible, at the conclusion of the testimony of Mr. Wales.

The reading of the narrative occupied till 1 o'clock, after which the Court proceeded.!* the examination of witnesses, as follows

EXAMINATION OF WITNESSES

JAMES W. WALES, sworn by the President, testified as follows: I was Purser's Ste*aitf on board the Somers in her Inte cruise, was informed on the night of the 25th of November last of an intended mutiny on board that vessel. I was standing forward by thg bitts when Mr. Spencer came forward, atuL after some few remarks relative to the weath' er, requested me to get on top of the booms, telling me at the same time that he had some*'

—and did I fear a dead man and dare I kill

found that he was very serious and very

person and that did a man sufficiently

or insult me, I thought I could muster suffi-

wliole but the purport of it was thut I should

0ued

brig's

comiMiiy, lo

the men, he said, he had all arranged in se* cret writing, done up in his neck handkerchief. He requested mo to feel of his neckv httndkorchiof. 1 did so and thei4 was -a rtlb^J ling which showed that there was paper in tnq-,.,

back part of it. .JBb-W9^t.pa 1 „mM commence some night when he had the mid watch.—Some of his men would get into af fight on the forecastle. He (Spencer) was to bring them up to tho mast and call Mr. Rogers, the officer of the deck, to pretend tc| settle the difficulty. As soon tts Mr. Rogers had got to the gangway they were immedh ately to seize and throw him overboard. Tbey would then have the vessel in their own pos

nave me vessel in tneir own pos- -,

mi i_ a I 1 :j

The arm chest was to be opened and th arms distributed to his men. He was thenj to station his men at the hatches to prevent any one from coming up on deck, and he should proceed to the cabin anJ murder the Commander with tho least noise possible. He should then proceed with some of his men tq. the ward room and then murder the wardroom and steerage officers. He stated tha the officers had naarms in the ward roo with tho exception of the First Lieutenant^ and all the arms that he had there was airf old cutlass, which he should secure before the| affray commenced.

This accomplished, he said h6 should go off deck, have the two after guns slewed around so as to command, from a raking position, the deck. He would then cause all the crew t^ be called on deck aud select a number from them such as would suit his purposes the remainder he should cause to be thrown over* board. (The words "suit his purposes" were the very ones he used.) This done, he shouki commence clearing the deck, beginning byi throwing overboard tho launch and all the' Hsparo spars and rigging of the vessels, lis they only tended to lumber up the dock that should they stand in need of any spare spars or rig* ging, they could take them from vessels thai they would capture.

This done, the brig

Was

Spencer then catted up

session. The keys of the arm-ehesl, he saidJ Sm»ll, ^ev,Ilo, W,Iaon aod McK ley, he could lay his hands on St any moment*'jthe

tofm*eed to Cape

San Antonio, or to the Isle of Pities an| there take on boardoj# teAouxwfamiliar wn'/^ their intended business, and who teas ready and willing to join them. The name of th person was not mentioned*. This done, the* were to commence cruising for prizes thai whenever they took a vessel, afteir taking from her that which would be of use to them| they were to murder all on board and scuttl^ the vessel, so as to leave no traccs of bor.—| Should there be any females on bonrd of th4 vessels they would take, they would hav| thetn removed to the brig for the use of th"* officers and men—using them as long as the saw fit, and then making way with litem.

EUSHASMALL,

man on board. He came and stood by lb* railing, but did not get up on the booms.—$ (This was before I made any reply to what be said—because 1 could not reply.) Ha commenced talking to him in Spanish, but I could not tell what they were talking about* as I did not understand the language- Smalt looked surprised, however, at whftt be toq| him. 1 saw Small's faco very plainly. SpeiH cer then remarked to Small, in English, **0, pou need not be under any apprehensions of 'car on his account, as I ha a

hh hwitness's)

.»uw

annnded

him

prettv well and find

ho is

ilitni (coaiioiwd Mr. T»ibu Bcfim,going Spencer told him th.lhe(Sp«K t^^»h°°'«nd

lion with him [Small] relative lo their plans and desired Small to 'see that fore top man meantuiie. [He did not name him.]

wit|,

Small then left. Spencer made overtures to me, saving that if I would join them he would give me the post of third officer in command. He then went on to state that the Commander had a large amount of money on board. This, he said, with what the Purser had would make a pretty little sum to commence with. He then askfed tne what I thought of the project. I thought it prudent to dissemble tts much as possible in order to gain further information, and told him I was .avorably disposed towards it. My duty then cal'«d me away. Spencer remarked that we would have another interview onrthe morrow, when he would show me the plan he had drawn up. He followed me to the gangway saying that if I lisped a syllable of what he had communicated to me 1 should be murdered that if he did not do it himself those connected with htm would that go where I might my life would not be woi'th a straw. I said 'No, I would not make any mention of it.' 1 his conversation lasted upwards of an hour—nearly two hours. It was contrary to the rules of the ship to sit on the booms at all} we were on the of sight. I recollect no other

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idling me nunc oonio mire iiv uuu auiuu-1 (|^yj| wa? about cruising around there,' or thing very important to communicate to me. something to that amount. "Spencer's hamaccordingly got on top of the booms witltLnock was bung right over the ward-room him and he commenced the conversation by door, and to rench the door I had to pass by •asking me if I was afraid of deatht' I wa*

then alone with him. "Was I afraid of death ting into the Purser's store-room. 1 then went I fear a dead man and dare I kill

of the conversation which occurred there, took the first opportunity that I could to make the matter known to Commander Mackenzie. was about 9 o'clock at night when I left MrTspencer, and lie went below to turn in. It was very light—moonlight I think, though 1 jivill not be sure. 1 proceeded as far aft as the cabin, intending to communicate the intelligence to Commnnder Mackenzie, but I observed that Small was watching me closely. Seeing this I turned back and thoughrt woula try to get into the wardroom, but there I was again put off for Spencer put up his head and wanted to know *what the

made no reply but pretended to be get-

... reply ting into the Purser's store-room. 1 then went

firai deck again. About one hour af-

on ec again

person," were the questions he asked m«v ter 1 weflt again to the steerage and found I was very much surprised at these remarks Spencer still awake. I had returned there and looked up to see if he was in earnest 1

ter 1 went again to th Spencer still awake. with the intention of getting into the]"wardroor®. saw that the liglits were out and lat U»e^ward-room gentlemen

intention of

r0oti|.

saw that th

much in earnest in what he said, I replied |he^ward-room gentlemen had retired, that 1 was not particularly anxious to die .i

...... .. theft let the matter rest till morning, but quite yet, that 1 had no cause to fear a deacH^

not t0 sleep lhough tried.

mornin£ a8

breakfi®t

cient courage to kill him if necessary. Mr. ^mmtinicaied the matter to Purser Heiskell, Speucer replied, "I don doubt your courage

ftnd tlwn went on

at all I know it. But, said he, 'can you yeutQ|,aDt that the Purser wished to see him iSS.S'TEJ'SSL^

so, he added, take the oath. He then die- pureer to understand that there was a tkted an oath, of which I cannot recollect the

mutjny 0n

jje

never make known to any person the conver-rSpencer's statement, and went up to sation which was about to take place between piret Lieutenant of my own accord, I took the oath as directed by Mr Spen-

us cer word of mouth, no Bible being used# then went on to state that he was leagued with about mke her, ma.— "S~, 1 frequently noticed nience Mntin* rhe plan and stations of ,,

r. 1 he oath was merely administered b£

^"Cromwell, Wilson, McKinley and Spencer,

In the

soon as I could get in, before

[about 7 o'chck 1 should think,] I

deck-and told the First

at el in he a 1 re a

foot, and wished him to get it to

Commander as soon as possible. I con-

fof tho Pttr9er wou|d

neglect it. I was

closely ai possible by Small,

and tlierefore kept out of the way of the

officers as mH1 a9

nurder a.I her officers and com- frequently noticed clubbing together, and beffcvft' they knew I was playing them &jse. I hod no farther interview with

"possible.

Quarter

one

that be "was very glad to bear it#** Smttw

taMrhiw wis then cnilcd away to execute some 7T'

I!m WMtonynsdmngrai, sn.iHMMaiio.uti.- ccO should hire th« mid-w»Ich that night, hero* holyrrtcro mtnirf UMI hewn, Bking ««r tts feu. Let btm «sk the f««tt«man frwiJ -Massa- ja-j «n Ka «mM farther cofiT6f*sa* oot a hand-sptke. 1 ton mm IhaMf I saw htm tlw mmw rincrrtty ofUi#b*r

W,S,KJU lo

n*":

These men

knew

Spencer, though I endeavored to do so. Igfe jMtts cqjntinually engaged wi^ the fore•^fistle iiian—-Benj. F. Green—-on Hhe

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on the evening of the 20th November. I could get iio chance previously to talk with him. Green was an apprentice onboard. Spencer was put in irons, and was immediately asked if such a thing had occurred.

Previous to the arrest of Mr. Spencer, I hid h6ard nothing from any of the other men nor had seen anything to implicate them—after my conversation with Spencer though I had on the 26th seen him talking with Crom

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near Jacob's ladder. They were all col Iccted together I was in the gangway, and eoul# hear none of their conversation, which was carried on in the usual tone.

I saw Commander Mackenzie and Spencer together on the quarter deck just previous to Spencer's arrest. The conversation which occurred between them, so far as I can recol* lect, was this: The Commander told him that he understood he (Spencer) aspired to the command of that vessel and that he did not know how he could accomplish his object except by riding over the dead bodies of her officers. I heard nothing more of the conversation except that Mr. Sponcer said 'Yes, sir,' ahd then 1 was sent away to attend to getting out some irons. That was all of the conversation I heard, brought the irons on deck. After 4hey were brought up no conversation took place. Spencer's sword was taken away, and too irons put upon him, to which he appeared willingly to submit: At the time the irons"#e're put on, some of the officers were on the

eo1"

deck. The men were at quar

ters tne officers were all called out—and some of the men, I do not recollect who they were, tfere stationed at the guns. After he was ironed, Spencer was taken to the larboard arm-efceet. This was about 6 o'clock, I think —the tiifte for evening quarters. Mr. Speocer was then alone.

Aflefthis I observed dissatisfaction among the men. Whea an order was given it had to b& floated several times, and even then they obeyed it sultenly, as if they did not care a farthing whether the order was executed or not. Cromwell, whose hammock was slung next to mine, was called by some officer to so on deck, and went muttering—but I could not understand what he said. The same evening I observed Wilson, McKinley and three or four others collected on the forecastle and talking together: and when the officers 'went toward them they would separate and go to other parts of the ship. I beard nothing at all of their conversations. Nothing else occurred that night, lo my knowledge.

The next day I noticed nothing suspicious in the co&dtict of the men, except that they were surly about doing their duty. This surliness was generally among the men. I think that on that day Cromwell and Small were put in irotos, though I will not be wire. *.

After these three were in irons saw that the cirew was disorderly. In the morning, while holy-stoning the deck, I being officer over the prisoners, observed signs passed between Spencer, WiJson aod McKinley tbey put tbeif hands to their chins and Cromwell, who was lying on the arm chest, rose op. I told him my orders were to shoot him down, and I shook! do so if be did not lie still. He lay down. I then went back with my pistol cocked, to the bunch, where Wilson was

making any farther signs I would blow his brains out. He said nothing, did not put the hand-spike back but went to draw some water. I put the hand-spike back myself. .1 expressed my fears toComnjander Mackenw® and the First,Lieutenant, telling them that I thought it dangerous tQ leave the holy-stones about, as they might be easily used. I went to the Comrsander 4o'tell him this. While Spencer was in reins, near the battle-axe rack, 1 observed him trying how he could work one—moving the axe up and down.— Cromwell and Small were at this time confined. After I told this to the First Lieutenant he told it to the Commander and tho battle axes were removed to the arm-chest. That morning Wilson, McKinley, McKoe and Green missed their muster and congregated round the stern of the launch. The next day, at morning quarters, they came forward and made some acknowledgement they were then put in irons it was then 9 o'clock. After they were put in irons 1 could see that tlie men and boys were still surly they went to work, when orders were given, with evident dissatisfaction. I heard nothing said Among them, however. This dissatisfaction k«ft on till the execution, wltea the whole

footing

changed. Those who before had been slow' to execute an order were, after that, the first to run to obey it. After the arrest of Spenceri and previous to the execution this dissatisfaction was evidently on tlie increase, so much so as to be perceptible from day to day.— More than half the crew, 1 should think, exhibited it.

I was present at the time of the execution. I did not near any conversation between Commander Mackenzie and Spencer and Croiftwell, though I heard him ask Smalt to forgive Spencer. Small sat on the gangway, Kpencer said "Small, I hope you will forgive me Small replied, "Mr. Spencer how can you ask me that when you have brought me to this?" Commander Mackenzie said to Small "Don't go out of the world with any hard feelings at your heart—forgive him." Small replied "Since you request it, sir, I forgive him." Small then bade Lieut. Gansev6ort farewell. Commander Mackenzie said "Small, what havo you against me that you will not shake hands with me and bid mo good byet" Small said, "Nothing, sir, only 1 did not think that( you would shake hands with a poor follow like me and bid him good bye." He reached out his hand, shook that of Commander Mackenzie very cordially, and bade him farewell. 1 heard Small say, looking up to tho flag, "God bless that flag!" He was then addressing his shipmates, having asked permission to do so of the Commander which had readily been granted him. 1 cannot recolleot the words of his address though 1 heard him warn them from his fate and heard him say that his sentence was right and just, and that it was right he should die. He then looked Qp and said God bless that flag!" and asked Mr. Spencer if ho was ready to die—raying "I am." Spencer made no reply at all. He had permission to £ive the order to fire the signal gun, but waited some time, not being able to do so.

Previous to this CoHiniander Mackenzie told me that Spencer wished to speak with me. 1 went up to him, and he said to me, "Mr. Wales I sincerely hope that you will forgive me for tampering with your fidelity." Commander Mackenzie was standing by bia

—f replied that, J. diiL^anid hoped that €too woold forgive him. Hirthen shook my kind and said farewell. I hac^no other conversation with either of them

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While we were at Mesarado, going ashore in the boat, on the Utb of November,' Spencer was officer of the boat, and I was with him. 1 believe Mr. Rogers was also in the boat, though I am not sure. The Commander hod told Sperner before he got into the boat^hat he was not in uniform.— He was just going into the boat as this was said. He muttered some reply, but I could not hear what it was. After we had got some 20 or 30 yards, from the Brig the Captain hailed us and asked if we had the American ensign in the boat. Spencer replied that he had not got it, and added, (not, how* ever, so the Captain could hear) that he'd "be G—d d—d if he was going back after it either, for the d—dold humbug. Gotoh—11." He continued cursing all the way to shore— though I cannot call to mind the particular expressions that he used. I think McKinley was in the boat, and Golding also—though I am not sure. This was the second cutler. This was all that took place at that time. Spencer's remarks seemed to please the erew.

About two weeks before the revelation of the mutiny was made, while bound from Mesurado to St. Thomas, Mr. Spencer having the watch on deck, (though I do not recollect the day or the place of tne vessel,) Mr. Rogers sung out to let go some brace. Spencer was talking with Cromwell, (who was boatswain's mate of the watch,) and some others of the crew. None of them paid any attention to the order. Mr. Rogers called out again and again. They paid no attention. Mr. Rogers then came forward and gave the order himself. [1 was forward standing by the Jacob's ladder. They were as near Mr. Rogers as I was aod could hear as well.] Capt. Mackenzie, who was on deck, noticed it, and sent for Spencer to come aft* 1 did not hear the conversation between them, but when Spencer came forward be was muttering curses against the Commander. I asked him: "Spencer, what's the matter?" Said he, "the Commander says that I don't pay attention to my duty, aod urges me to pay better attention hereafter. G—d d—n him, I'd like some of these dark nights to catch him on top of that roundhouse, and plunge him overboard^ It would be a pleasing task for me, and [he muttered between his teetbi] G—dd—n him, TH do it yet." I made no reply. He went forward and begpn talking with some of the men—four or five. 1 went below. I did oot repeat this language to any of the officers. I have had frequent conversations with Spenoer on general subjects, bet no others which would throw light 0n the matter. I did not know at the time that there' were mutinous expressions. Other officers were near and must have heard his words.

Spencer had a picture in the ward-room at one time. Once the Purser called the trysail the mainsail, and they had quite a dispute about it. Spencer brought oat a picture of a brig, with a black flag flying at the peak. He made no remarks at that time or »fty other to me about the picture or the color of the flog.

At Maderia, Hrfcen #s wan fftttiaf nadrr weigh, Cromwell nob ifunt Conuosoder Mackeaai*— Capt. K. asked why some rigging had not beea attended to. Cromwell was stationed forward and Capt M. wen! aft. Cromwell bra said he "did not care a d—n about ihe rigging: Captain Mackenzie was'desirous of getting too una work out of the crew Unit there was no necessity of getting aadsr weigh that eight at all/ at the tame time wishing the "Commander end

and

the Brig farther in it—II* than tbey ware oot" Hits he said load enough to be heard by atl forward. Several of the officers were forward at th* time, but in the harry of getting under weigh, paid no attentian to it. Shortly after we left New York, Cromwell, whilegiv-L ing soma tnonev to the Sergeant of Marines to take? care of told me that Spencer had given him $15 he mentioned no parpoae, thoagh he said something about ita being a "pretty good present." Spencer alto drew some 15 or f«0 worth of tobacco and cigars dmnnr the cruiae which he distributed to the crew—the to*, lis coo rather to the boys than the men. He gave well a bunch or two of cigars at one time, ana.an» to Small, I saw him give money UfrSmall at SantaCrax, while eoing ashore. I saw two silver pieces, though 1 could not 86e how much there wee. I tafeeeen Spen-v cer give Green and Van Velcher a pouedof tobacco at a time, and to others smaller amounts. |l jeeolleet no other conversation or facts that would throw any iftbt upon the mniiny.

CROSS-EXAMINATION.

Tl»e President informed Commander MACKENZIE that lie had the privilege of erase examining the witness,? by questions in writing,'to be appiwredoy ihe Court. He handed the following'questions:

Q. Did you ever hear Cromwell speak Of b» wife? "A. 1 lava- Two or three days after we were out we had a heavy gade. Cromwell came down and began to speak about friends at home, noke of bis wife in a very light manner for a manwlo ha»jtrat been marriaf, at least. fThe words he used*indicated that ha cared notftiag for her chastity while he was gene]

The Judge Advocate objected to the qnestion, and asked why Com- Mackenzie wished to ask it. Com. Mackenzie mid it was merely to coantetncfa*' ny feeling Of sympathy that might be sought to be drawn from his wife and family.

Hie Judge Advocate said that purpose was gjready sufficiently Q. Was it not on the occasion of your interview with

aaskenzie*answered.

iencer on the booms, that he complained of Com. treatment? A. He did say something about it then, tboegfc I do not rcrasmber what. He said, I beMeVe, that Capt. M. a a

Q. Did Mr Stoencer state that the pistols aHuded to in bis conversation on the booms were loaded,® A. He did, and alao a musket.

Q. Did you hear Mr. Spencer make any remark about dead men telling no taleaf A. I did. Ha said that his motto was '-dead men tell no tales-" He alluded to this in connection with what he said ot scuttling vessela that he might cap-

Was any thing said about 'small fry'and 'eating biscuit,1 io the conversation? A. Yes. sir. He said that they would sat considerable, and that he would make them walk the plank they would be useless on board. He msant tbe small boye—the ^nailer apprentices. There wave some very small on board.

Q. What effect, if any, did Mr-, Spencer* remark about throwing Com. Mackenzie overboard have upon the ecw

A. It ra|her pleased them. I saw smiles upon the faces of several of them Cromwell and Small were

""comriwnder Mackenzie said that the officers of the Samem had been charged in the official journal, in anarticle supposed to have been written by the Secretary of War, with harshness and cruelty, and ashed if there was no way of showing that this was untrue He

wished to ask the witness a question concerning it. The Court said that no notice could be taken of it Com. Mackenzie said that the source from which it was supposed to have coma was so high that I* wished to notice it-

Slackenzie.would

ut which anawartba purpose of Commander The question, &a at first handed in was therefore modified as follows:

Q. What was the conduct of Commander Mackenzie generally daring the difficulty en the Soman A. He appeared to labor under no fear, was humane, and did everything he could for discomfort of the prison

A. (With much energy and decision.) NOt Sis, I

q"Advocate—Did

ed, to be modelled upon

and conducted by

The Court said that it muat be regarded as only a if he newspaper report, and that it did not scope of the inquiry. fl*" ST -isi

The Jndce Advocate thought a question alight be"

Commander Mackenzie said he would waive these rl questions altogether, as he only Wished to ask them 'V

to meet a particular cose, which ns was not allowed to 2 do. The following question was then sllowed:

Q. During tlie continuance of the difficulty on board the Somers aid you observe sny oonduct in Commander Mackenzie exhibiting unmanly fear, a despotio temper or any quality unbecoming a commanding officer Mm and a gentleman 1 ..

Spencer tall you whew he nisalai

was to cruise after turning pirate A. He did not. Ha said ho would cruise wherever proossdings tf^Cour^ adjourned rill to-morrow,

THE MODERATE MAN*

We published, a few days since, Swift's inimitnble description of

Party."

moderate mm.

"The Man of No

That writer's sagacious insight pf

human character led him to portray a pictur^, the original of which belonged to other ages p. as well as his own and we thought we could see about us, in our own day, those who might he supposed to have set to the painter for so felicitous a portrait. The same writer has giten a graphic description of

moderation

Might not the political

cirelcsof the present day, and of oar own commupity. furnish forth instances to prove thut Swift's remarks on this head are not now entirely out of date Those who happen to be dissatisfied with the present position of their own party, because its affairs have not been conducted exactly to suit their tastes— who dislike the energy and strength of action 4® which have recently been introduced into politic»—who think a

new partf*vhouldjj^form-

moderate

stxy.—Boston Atlas.

MODERATION.—Never

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itfineiples,

moderate

men*—-do not the

remarks of SWIFT touch some of those citizens with cutting severity? Hear wbatjp has to

was any poor harm

less word so misused as this has been. We meet with it but once in all the Scriptures ., and even in that place, if the translators had so pleased*another word would have done as well and yet there is mbre stress laid upon it by some people than upon all the Bible be- je sides. Now, if by moderation be understood equity, the avoiding of extremes, or calmness and evenoess of temper, it is undoubtedly ft very excellent virtue. But if it signifies indiflbrency, or lukewarmness,or cowardice in a good cause, or basely betraying it, and giving it up to Us enemies, then moderation is

new, as well as all the volumes that hare bees written upon that subject. But it is astonishing to coosider bow many thousand fools the sound of these four syllabise has made, have a nephew, who, at six or seven years of age, seemed to be a lad of pretty parts, till an eld nurse in the family taught him that word and the boy has been a perfect changeling ever since. But the greote* wonder of all is what I have above hinted at. 8on» Mm are so unfortunate that they cannot be allowed to be moderate, though they behave themselves with all the coolness, charity,and tensper imaginable, while others are so happy as to prove themselves men of moderation by tho most violent rage malice^ partiality, and injustice and by cutting off the mm of one man for not drinking damnation to another I"

In all our exchange papers we find that the would be called sane people, are killing themselves every where* We are not so big fools here. There has been no suicide at the Vermont Asylum since it was first open- V\ ed.~I«jaft0 Journal of BrattUboro.

lUsCTcrts.—The nnmber of applications in thep&f ^oathern District of New York, op to 84th December, for the benefits of the Bankrupt Law, is 1,899, of which 129 ware involuntary.

Etianrs tn BtMSAcsuasrisi—Whole nearer of

lo Mtrtpam declared lwlkn»«t 31. Tw«l, MO-