Vincennes Gazette, Volume 4, Number 6, Vincennes, Knox County, 12 July 1834 — Page 1

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IVVCJ&VJViMr, IJmnMJ&i JULY 12, 1834.

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twenty - five cnts for every subsequent i riser I ion ; i ;eer M'lvortisemenl in the suno ratio. Iverlisoments sent without order, will in nil n:nc, be insetted until forbid, and charged RrordiTil v. Sue h articles of produce, ns are used in a family, u-ll be reeeived in payment for ub-eripti-)ns, at the market price, delivered in Vin cennos. From Goodscfs Genesee Farmer. AiTi.'i.v maxac:i:iii:nt or cit.vri VIM'S.

The mcr:l!: cf 2W.Co.Lc: if the time j ,enc3' produce a moro coirt underir lhi section of the country for ".ruuinr j " ' pon Pf!'-i of (he facts in grape, vines. Many gentleman in Western , IVsi Office Department. New Vork ha" vvith laudable zeal, com-j ,n j(ice to that Department, he would jnenced the cultivation of the vine and j P:1V, that it had not closed its doors against some have already began to realize a i ,he Committee appointed to inspect its hand-ome remuneration for their trouble i affairs ; that w hatever information its re

and expenses which they have incui red, i while others have been disappointed in ' their expectation. Disappointments have arisen from various causes, but the most fruitful has be,on an injudicious selection of varieties cultivated . As a disposition td cultivate the vine in our country manifested it-elf, the public were presented with IfCg catalogues of varieties, otien amounting :o several Hundred, each particular variety recommended as having some peculiar valuable property, which rendered it desirable,' each fucceding- year furnished some superior to those which have been produced. -Thus guardens have been crowded with varieties which have proved compara tively useless, w hich might have been till ed with those more profitable, had the proprietors been sufficiently informed as to their respective qualities. The difference between American and foreign grapes, does not appear to he as well understood by most of our gardeners, as it ehould be, neither does the respective qualities of those cultivated and sold at different nurseries, as hardly A merican grapes, appear to be as familiar to those cultivating as would be desirable. Among the American grapes cultivated, and named, the Isabella, Catawba, Muscadine and band, are the only ones which we have ever seen that promised to be worth cultivating in western New Vork. The Isabella and Catawba are undoubtedly the most profitable. TheIuscadineis a free bearer and an early grape, but it is not as fine for the table as the lUand when it is fully ripe, hut it is somewhat doubtful whether the seasons are long enough to mature it. The American varieties require different management from European. They do not require as short trimming, but should be allowed room to extend themselves. A vine of six years rid, should be allowed to cover a trellis six feet high and at least twenty feet long. November is the proper month for pruning American vines. In pruning as many rf the most vigorous and well ripened f hoots as will be sufficient to fill the trel lis, should be selectcu. 1 bese when

there is plenty of room should be left as I the meaning ot the fostmaster .eneral '. . the Post Ofhce Department as nppropria-Jon"-as the wood is well ripened. These He owes upwards of a million of dollars, ted for the transportation of the mail, and may either be tied to the trellis at the I and ha ow ing to him, fi om different Post-j placed by existing law s at the discretion, lime of pruning or be laid upon the master ?, scattered all over the country, jand under the control, of the Postmaster ground, and allowed to remain there until ! lhe sum of eight bundled thousand dol-j General, and this has always been the un-

next sprint. Althougii our native vines enduie the winter, yet I have thought those which remain under the snow until sm in, w ere in better condition than those which were rut upon the trellis in the fall Where the branches cut off are i designed to be set as cuttings they should j be cut rom one loot to eifftueen inches

lon according to the length of the )oint?,! the Committee, is, "with my present ged against the Department, that a true always preferred tiuee or more "joint" ' means, if Corgress will ad vance, &c. tour account of the extra allowances has not andV'uliing about an inch and a half'abovc' hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I can been annually reported to Congress. and l.elow the joints. Cuttings from A ! pay every debt against the Department, j When gentlemen come to read the report merican vines -d.ould be put in the ground ; &c." The amount thus advanced can bejof the minority, they will see : Mat the .into the fall, as they take root much better , returned to the Treasury, without injury jCient mode of reporting to Congress has ...t.', cnn, , to the successful operations ot the depar t- been pursued by the present Pcstmaster

UiaiinilUI tu in , European grapes when preferred are more delicate for table use than any of the Americans. The vines are not snflitiently hardy to with stand our climate, ..." ! . 1... 1 .ir.ml ll..iw-t. I K ..-ir.. i.u i re nu 1 1 e i i- i iw 1 1 1 r u i ii i n u i; i 1 1 n. - IUU " .... . . .I.i

fer They should be pruned 'tut ing the uiouraim u .i, b..... .... .. u.,,. - --- - . month of November, after whieir they ! any argument, he would say, that the ; ances are made lor services, ,n ar dit.on to bould be bud upon the ernund and cover j Postmaster General w,s ol opinion that thoc stipulated for ,n the written coned a few inches deep will, eaith. nnd al- 1 that was about lhe true amount, and Mr tracts, & which ate one red afte its cxe. Powed to remain coveied until after theiG. wa desirous that no argument shonbl cllt,on. Ilecoubl not therefore sphere . t . I ,e d i iwn from the lei tc r alluded to , unta -; w as any great causo of complair.t in this U A or spring. U pruning, the hoot , be a H might ' respect. Still he thought the mode adoptfhoiibl be cut down io ormone , t bice , ,v ,. dc . ,tlriltn,, em-1 ed by the Department, in its , eport to the

leet, leaving vi uu n.-m.m ripened shoots, and those se litnil lint ICCteil Uiai they may spread to advantage upon the (rellis. In n open garden Kuropean J (1 it ion in ,e than lo.ii or hveyeais. They are snlj l ' oviT.rrr.wn wtb lhe nubiew w Inch ditio both the fruit and t!ie vine. Tt.P most desirable amor.' the European vaiiclies are the Golden Chaselass or fwrot watt-r. White Poiiignac and Mu . 'I'be latter is one of the most bari it i . r-v of the I.uropean va .el, .-. . kect s the chae.-eals, but a grc fW 'l IT im. ,r,,btr ,v .vb.i-b nows upon the

vinemny be in a great measure destroyed by washing the vine with lime water.

cr-ovru .woxr. corn. A fiienrl of mine sowed red clover among hi corn after going through with the cultivator the lat time ! the seed Mas protected from the heat of the sun hv the corn, it consequently vegetated very soon, andnfler the corn was cut off there was a luxuriant growth of clover, which afforded the ature of several successive seasons. -1 merican farmer. r.rri:n stati:s m:ati:. Debate on the lst Office Reports. Mr. GIU'NDY rose, and said, that he did not propose to go into a general discussion of the Vaiintia Kiili'prU mliri..-o,l in the two reports made hy the different members of the post Office" Committee. j fie only wished to make soma expianinons. which re wiougnt would have tencord, rm respondenr e. or any thing else might he supposed to contain, w as illingly communicated; ami its whole proceedings subjected to the inspection of the Committee. Therefore, whatever violations or omissions of duty may he alleged to have been practised, no disposition has been manifested to conceal its nets from the public view. lie should not enter into any detail of what was said in either of the Reports hut would suggest to the honorable Sena tor from Now Jersey, (Mk. Southard.) that lie was altogether mistaken when he used the letter of the Postmaster General ;19 authority or evidence in favor of the majority and against the minority of the Committee. Mr. ('.said that he had written the letter to the Postmaster General, to which the letter of the Postmaster General re ferred to is an answer, and neither of them was written under an impression that

there was a balance of more than 300,000 ot it, and rested, in legal point ot view, dollars against the Department. juPon the personal responsibility of the .... , n i Postmaster General alone. et it should hen the Postmaster General was in- , ,, . , ., , ,, . uiirn i ir i w m.nci be r e col 1 ec t ed , on the other hand, that the ouired o, by the Committee, what amount, ; . , , , ... , t , , ... , 'whole Department would have ceased its loaned to hnn from the public treasury, I .11 1 11. . , .t i - . 1 . ,r operations and have gone down, had not would enable him to comply punctually' , . , , , t, , ., , . , 1 i- 1 1 : these loans been resorted to. lie would with his engagements and relieve his lie- , , 11 , . . .. . " n , . - not say that it ivas justifiable to have borpartment from embarra-sment, he very , rowef- (hc mo aw authof. properly took into new the failure tn but ,o pressing was the necessipunctuahtv that would occur in the debt-, u a , ?tron ,y in favor of ex ors to the Department; and knowmg that jgi he rS9tma8ter General from cen creditors are always more punctual in de- w ,t were betler ,Q have dune a)moM manuVg, than debtors are in making pay- thj r;ither lhan to have permitted ments, he very properly concluded lnatajlhp Fogt office department to have gone larger sum would be necessary to meetdwwn ue wouu repeat that there was all the demands against the Department erfor am, no incon?i(ierable error, on the punctually, than would be requisite il thej of (he postmas!er General, in not moneys owing to the Department were 1 airertaimn(T (he (nae condition of the monow in hand; therefore, he gave it as bis njc( conrer"ns of lhe Department, & in not opinion, that 450,0011 dollars might be t;,mvin? guariiecl against its getting into the cessary, when, in fact, 300,000 dollars !pjtua(j0n in hich it was at present placed, would be sufficient, it all the outstand-j The Sena(or from New Jersey, he tho't,

ing debts could be collected at the time they felldue. IMr. G. here read his letter to the Postmaster General, ana the rosirnasier ; General's answer Mr. G. continued . Now, sir, what is;

iars; to m.u mcic ...n. . nv... anuijiinMuiKiiiAim innm," -

him of nearly three hundred thousand

dollars. In this state of things, ho is as appropriation. As to making extra allowked bv the Committee, what sum of mo- ;,nces for extra services, they were ex-

nev will be sulhcient to pay every con-. tractor, and to pay mm me oaiuv a erv cent of money that has been borrower i nu" .; h14 " l" m j'1 , . ment; and t 'lis ca;i uoue in mi i:t uuuualpaymer. The rn norrlv of the Committee, conli - . . - , . . nned Mr G came to the condition t hat '. . . ... . I theie was a deficit ot about three hundred ---- i.iu..r.-. .,, ,,-itbrmi .rnimr i nt . - , , .. r ,!, , iVn,,,i,.,w..! ' pi oved I'V m,J ' "-"--' w, ; J o.- J ! iii their report. The other, and perhaps most important di'.aorree ment between the. two reports, ; the anionru i " - - . I Department io mc jiuoiu.. i ...-,.: . . C rnnsideieii a vriy interesting matter, as it furnihed the bert criterion by which to jude, whether, in general, a due repaid IppI been paid to economy in conduc7:.... ii. iiV.ir- of t!ie Department. He iiiii' iii' ii..'.... . i.i.o. i n i-oiioiiU cuaiaciei oi meanl .. . l . I . .. 1 . .. .. ,i,r, l in:i i tmrnt .liT.f n l.xl , . . minirtraiion oi ,

'rJt n..o tlii- point? If the majority'of the Post Office at New Yoik, but were

' were light in thtir estimate of the num-

her of miles of mail transportation, there

was no such increase of services per lormed as would justify the expenditure which had been made. The majority of the committee take ns j their guide the estimate of Messrs Pradleys made out from the advertisements for proposals, and the improvements for which extra allowances are made, and by measuring distances on the map leaving out all changes and improvements, which are produced hy the improved bids invited by the advertisements. The minority of the committee aie governed, in their estimate, by the route book which has been compiled from the information given by the States; and, in case of a difference of opinion between the Postmasters at the different ends of the same, route, the mean distance has been taken. In this way, iiie length of each route has fen fixed. I hen by ascertaining how oiten (lie mail is transported over each route in a year, the precise amount of mail transportation, in a year, can be arrived at with reasonable accuracy. The difference between the results produced, between the standards relied on, in the two reports, is immense, amounting probably to seven or eight millions of miles a year. Mr. G. said he could not hesitate on w hicli to rely. Mk. Grundy proceeded to say he would detend the Department where he believed it to he in the right, but he should not defend its errors. lie did think it was an error that the head of that Department had not ascertained at an earlier period the true condition of its finance?. Had this been done he could have avoided going beyond its means. Rut the Postmaster General relied upon the reports made to him by the officer having charge of the finances of the Department, and in doing so he was misled, and went on increasing mail facilities until an actual failure of means to mett current demands disclosed the existence of the error. Upon this disclosure, the Postmaster General resorted to loans to supply the deficiency. Mr. G. was of opinion, as there was no law authorizing this proceeding, the loans were not in strictness binding "Von "ie uovernment or any ueparimetn wag migtaken in another thing, when he supposed that no extra allowances lor ex tra services were allowed by law, and that it depended upon congress iu rnaue, 1 Hl'l'l OII lrtl1MIS ll ruvn .....j.-. w. n i .-.w cnrli nnrnnsr 0 lip. I Mr. G ., considered the whole proceeds of (ion of Congress was not necessary for its pressly allow ed l.y law , anna ruie lam now n ny which iney biiuuiu ue uj-pe tioned, Ma. Giu:npv said, that it had been urI, - . - I. ,1.., iU rnn,. lft ('mn.ri.ct lini v ener ai ;- inai fi . v. t,i v. , been made from the Proposal Pok, and I . . . . i : , a nhd not embrace me impiovemtnis unu j modifications made between the time of . . - . I I t. II.. ; the acceptance oi me proposal cv. me exe c . . ,. !. - ,. i r.t iKp rontract: that extra allow.oi,m of Congress, was prefera ' It , , Irl .uH.. SPnnt(. nn7 au.e iu m - 1 ; had beloie mem me conuaci, uuu an me modifications and improvements which were made prior to the execution of the w ritten agreements. lie thought if the honorable gentleman from Delaware, (M r. Clayton) had examined the papers fully, he would not have been at this time laboring under the error which seems to exist in his mind. il ....rn tAiinrl flinf flin r.-, iinflrc found that the ue woum ii-v. f..v. .....v ,11.1,0 : mirl i ITr. Hates and Mr. Louchborouirh r . - i . . f , nQ irf of lhc incidental expenses only advanced to them by the Poetuiaster

f at that place. They be

llur in (Knf rifif nt

the time thev npr.-l 'i 1"' .J.,",' "'"'"g 'ms borrowed and the

, 41IC (unrip v, iir.UOrerneur, the Postmaster, hy rw'.'erof the Postmaster General, advanced them the money, and the only effect produced was, that Mr. Governeur obtained a credit upon the books of the Department for the sums advanced to them; and they were charged with the same amount. It 1 - , ' however. insinuatei . tb if tha ci

. , . . stlH"Jusamt Co ars; borrowei and overagents employ ed by the Department are draw,, on banks -188 000 dollars-amount-sent out upon electioneering expeditions, inff in tl)e aMeite to 1 I'A oOO dTXr and not on the busess of ,,e Depart- I know it if I a till III Z C a"l ment. ' his asser.ion ,s unsupported by man ,n bis paper, but he "is in a error - ?? he? I't Z I: Ufic,;"l,lll,e- T'1G of ,he effr f Ie DepartIt the fact were so, why has not some or.e! ment give the above sum and the misVifcr w.tness been called en to estaSl.h it? U arises ,rom t!lis, that I e person uho me these agents are necess ry tor a lawful out the papers did, in on Lt hem, deduct and laudable purpose, ,s ,t right to say , ! all the depo.ites which the department without the. shadow of proof, that theyjhad m any ami every bank from the dims have been employed lor illegal and dia-j which it has borrowed from anv d

i honoaable purposes ?l think not.

It is charged upon the Postmaster Gen-jance with banks generally. Put, for the eral that he borrowed money during the I credits w Inch is the principal question belastsession of Congress, and did not in-jtween the honorable chairman and myform Congress of the fact. Ue only bor-jself, Mr. Prown made us the estimate, and rowed a sum of money, the amount of he gives 300,000 dollars as the available which he supposed w as then in the hands ium due for postages prior to the 1st of of the Postmactersi, and would be recei-..January, 1 G3 1, an I 500,000 dollars duo ed by the Department in a few days, & lor postages accruing from the 1st of Jan. from w hich the loan could be repaid. j to the 1st of April, 1C3 J. The only error, if any, was in the act of The same officer estimates the whole borrowing, tor he was only anticipating ; nrlt amount of postages, accruing within the actual receipt of money then in the 1 the fir?t quarter of 1C3 1, at 250,000 dol

hands of Postmasters, while, at the same time, he felt confident that the Depart ment was perfectly solvent, ami had no j idea that it w as in the condition which after-developments shew it to have been. If the senator from New Jersey (Mr. SoLTitAiiu) had kept his hands off the President ot the United States, it would have been as well, but that was scarcely

to be expected. He says that the Presi-jOOO dent, in his message in 11529, informed Congress that the Post Office Department i- 11 1 . i i

was in a favorable condition. :l r. URVX-1 py said he should like to know how the President could be censured for making that statement. Before the commencement of every session of Congress each, head of a department makes his report of the condition of his Department to the President of the United States, and, upon the reports thus made to him, the Presi-j dent makes his report to Congress. And j would the Senator from New Jersey 1 e -1 quire of the President to go into each of; the Departments and examine into the correctness of the reports made by the different Secretaries? lie (Mk. Grundy) supposed that the Senator from New Jersey knew that tikis win never done, and was in itself impracticable. The President in his message gave a full and fair exposition of the condition of the De partment according to the report made to him by the Postmaster General. He (Mr. Grvndy) remarked, that he had uow said all he intended to say in answer to the remarks of the senator from New Jersey, and he would detain the Senate no longer. Mr. KWING next addressed the Chair, as follows: Mr. President, the honorable Chairman of the Committee on the Post Otlice and! t. n...lo 1 .mi,- ibat the doorsi the Department were not closed on us, a-Hinst our investigation. It is true, T...mo, not closed on us. or against our investigate sir, we were permitted to enter the build - cxammc the books of the Depart f '

I O L 1 1 Vi t .Mini i ii . ..... ...... I . . i (' , , , ment; but if he means by tins to convey : ,s ol January, we canno reduce he the idea that all proper facl.t.es werei"' of Uiat to a dcmonstrat.on but afforded to each member of the Committee !WCCinf Rive that kind of evidence of the

the examination, the suggestion will . in

lead to error it is not to. I, as a mem-,", . ; lev of that committee, have a , ight l(ny reasoning mmd upon that subject--. . . i .... ..i,;. r ,toi,,. '.but I will not now enter into it fully. I

--l,;nn nrwl f.nallv rclusal to an - 1 . r ii . i I 4 wer inqu...C3 .....w! . .. .,-.....-B. .... rlerlv Ol lllu u nuc;, I'luniii's iji,,v..u, Clclivwi ii"- v ' o . . i z"1 . t n tniirlu nnr rM-itlfil-c

.vhich were lhe .ut-ject .1 our U a : t qUBr,er, Sa4.6o3 X ,ion. I have no doubt hat .lie CI a,r .. , , c J rere vei more consideration at their. .... , . . received . .,.., !dra ts drawn on postmasters, accepted, inmk.sim his innuincs were more prom t , , . , '

' . , . .. , i ." 1 .1 I nr iii' inu ill v I .1 I I I 1 1 I iUit lor me. my labours were much increased, and the time ne iy aiis'vcicu, cessarily employed in the investigation was much protracted, by the necessity under which I was placed, especially during the first three weeks of the investigation, of extorting from them all the nitoimation which I sougnv .u.u ... 8uu.c ceivingitonly th.ough the hands ot the; i 1. t n i- t r i n 1 x r one in d Chairman.

Mr. l resiui..i,...: . ..u...u.1.u,Ml,uuconinil(!0 be, defaulters. The r-ostma-has said that he would not go into an ex te,aare 1)0U!1(, udcr a gevere r(!naItv fo amination of the comparative merits oi ;lccount, UIlun one monlh after they shall the report of the committee & the paper ; be r;ilIe(1 UIlor, for that purpose; they ar e, presented by the minority; and at the , b s(an(jr, order of the J)epartment, same time, he has entered at ouce and!caJe(1 ,jpon l0 account, at the end of cvlargely into that very comparison, in the;erv qarler; an 1 it will not do to say, ns I most important points discussed in either n,it.rst0od the Chairman to say, that it is paper, and those in which they differ most at me, impracticable, or a task of that is to say, the amount in wheh the gieat ai,or, to get at their accounts. The Department is insolvent, an I the extent j UQI,ii3 are? (t is understood, behind , sorneof mail transportation. As to the first, t)jng niOI0 than one quarter; but no one; the amount of the insolvency, I conless has pretended that they are in arrear

was not a little surprised at some or nie,,noru than two. I here is doubtless moviews taken by the honorable Chairman. uey ,jue for postages prior to the 1st of Let us, sir, look at the subject for a mo-j October, but, without extraordinary misment. conduct on the part of postmasters, thii The statement of the amount due and 'sum cannot exceed forty or fifty thousand owin to contractor was made us by one dollars; and if it do exceed that sum, il is of the clerks, Mr.Sutor, on his oath, and pretty clear that it ought not to be considso far as I was then informed and so far eied available. as " am now informed, 1 have no reason; It is said by the honorable Chairman, 'to doubt its correctness. 1 did not then , with respect to the next particular, m doubt it- it "as probable, & there was no which the icpoit of the committee and reason to question the veracity of tojthe paper which he has offered differ so mail The amount of the debus due to .materially, that lhe error is clearly ou

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overdrawn, was given in I v Oh.-wi;:,h I; Ilrovwi. 1 trusted to that also without much hesitation; for had he misstated it, he weil knew that it was in our power to test its accuracy or expose its fallacies. We took it as correct, and (be aggregate cum was, in round numbeis, due for trans1 -i 1 . , . , ., t : , ., : 1 1 1 . , i "' union, mx 'i atiu riiirfv-ti vr ' . 1 .... . . .. umiy uvr !ry other bank, by way of casting a bal- '") " which, I ocnevc tic is correct that is, I consider it a fair estimate, allow- . 1 . 1 .. r 1 it . mg the increase ot postages in the pre ; ?ent to have equalled that of former yeara. I Then admitting the receipts to be 520,000 dollars, we had only to ascertain what part had been paid in and placed to tha credit of the Department, prior to the 1st of April to deduct that from the 250. dollars, and leave the balance to ita credit in the hands of Postmasters. This was done by a member of the Committee, inP..l...n c. .....1 1. . .1 1 -. 1 . 11 11U ,t: iuuhu inai mere was deposited ny Postmasters in Hanks, to the credit ot the Department, w ithin that quarter, 31 1,704 dollars, instead of 500,000 dollars, as estimated by Mr. Prown, whose estimate ii implicitly taken, and is written down in the paper presented by the honorable Chairman. I was surprised to hear tha honorable Chairman say, that the sums deposited in banks had not been credited to the department, and therefore ought not to stand as a charge against it.5 Where, I ask, did he get his information of that extraordinary fact? It never was given to the Committee by any officer of the Department, either directly, or through the Chairman, and I stand prepared, at this moment, to disprove the allegation. I have before me, spread out on my desk, a balance sheet of the accounts of the Department , and all the Banks in which it has any transactions. They number about 70. Among others, are enumerated all the banks in which these depositee appear to have been made, and the accounts bear date down to the time of the date of the last deposite?, taken into the estimate ; anil the department is credited, in the papec presented by the honorable Chairman, - '1' "-r ' remained as a balance in all the banks. . . l. 11 .1 .1.. :t 1. : 1. . . 1. . ! 11 13 therefore impossible that the sums sn ! " mere, ore "npo-j.u.e iu,u me sums s,j I deposited should not have been credited w iiu me i cm . As to the postages accruing prior to the Correctness ol our report or .Is very near nnnrnnr i to ucniracv. ivhirh w i I cihclir VM ! omy &.i , uiaL wt; n.ive ine nggregaiti l .. u i ... i i nett proceeds of postages for the quarter . , ? . it amounts to -1T.7 . . ... . c . . .I.lOflrdlnra U p hat'P nnni nT i annci janu rciurneu 10 me ueparimeni paid, so ' . a ' as to ue charged to contractors, to the amount of at least 5C,o22 dollars; which would leave, of that quarter, due G3,720 dollars. Now, if there be any thing due prior to the 1st of October, 1833, it ought not to rest in conjecture. The Postmaster General does know, or can ascertain i i . . . jn oneday or two at m05t l)V ,he ai(j of a .... , , , . , who of his reform postmasters are, and o ' t -