Terre Haute Weekly Gazette, Terre Haute, Vigo County, 19 February 1880 — Page 2

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IiOTS MORE OF IT,

But of a Wilder Temperature Than Our Last Week's Installment.

What the Laity Think of it.

Arc Our Clergymen Leaders of Thought,

Or

Only Skirmishers in the Rear of the Army ot Mental Progress?

Independent Thinkers Almost a Unit Against Ihem.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN

From Saturday'® Dally.

In our issue of last Saturday we inserted the opinions of our leading clergymen on the topic of future punibhment commonly called Hell. This week we give the laity a place, that the views of thinking men may be contrasted with those Of the clergy. It will be noticed that the laity have generally a logical reason for the faith that is not in them, and this fact should show the clergj' that they have still a wide field for missionary •work open to them. The following

Opinions,

it will be seen, are from men of

recognized education, who of all others should have correct views on such a topic, and whose opinions fairly represent the belief

of

munity.

thinking men in this com­

S. M. BEKCIIER,

*The well known attorney, gives his views on the dogmas of Christianity, together with the Hell of orthodoxy, as follows:

I believe there is a Supreme Being who, in his divine wisdom, created the universe and every living thing I believe this Creator is all-wise and from the beginning knew and planned all things I believe that man is the most noble of all living creatures, and that he has an immortal soul I believe in a life beyond the grave I

believe God created within man (the first man) the same inclinations, disposition and aspirations that he possesses at the present day. I believe it is right and .proper to worship God, but I do not believe that God ever repented that He created man I do not believe that God gave hi6 only begotten 6on for man's salvation I do not believe God ever makes any 6uch failures 1 do not believe in the orthodox religion I do not believe there is a Trinity carrying on a partnership business under the firm name of "Father, Son & Holy Ghost I do not believe God ever purposely created a Devil I do not believe he ever created one accidentally I do not believe in the fall of mar I do not believe in the existence of an evil spirit generally known as Satan. I do not believe that God in his infinite wisdom and mercy would create a universe or an empire for himself and people it according to his own inclination and dfesires, and then place an opposing spirit or power upon a throne, who would rival him in his government and win from him more than one half ot his most noble creatures.—CONSE.QUENTLY I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A HELL.

EUGENE V. DEBS.

A leader of thought in a very highly respectable body of thinking young men, writes as follows:

You have asked my opinion regarding the doctrine of hell, and I must confess that I havn't the slightest conception of the meaning of that term. Just what hell is and what it is for, has puzzled the best minds in all ag$s since the dawn of civilization, and I do not apprehend that a conclusion will ever be arrived at that will meet with universal approbation. If you ask about the hell that Furaiss depicts so graphically, then I answer that I deny its existence. I do not believe in hell as a place of torment or punishment after death. In my humble judgment the hell of popular conception exists solely in the imagination. It is not «n intuitive idea, but depends entirely on the moral training we receive.

We can be taught to believe that there is a hell or that there is none. As a doctrine it is terrible to contemplate, yet it may have been ot some gcod to •mankind. The tear of hell has probably prevented much evil, and doubtless ewn no* holds in check numberless people, who, were they free from its restraining influence, would become vicious and destructive of society. As soon, however, as people become good enough to be just and honorable for the simple satisfaction it affords them, and avoii evil for the same reason, then there is no further necessity for a hell.

Polybius said "Hell is useless to sages but necessary to the blind and brutal opulace." To this Voltaire added "It •ust be obvious that hell is a mere nulli ty both to believers and unbelievers. To unbelievers because they regard it as a mere scarccrow, to keep the ignorant in order and to the believers because they are exonerated from all its terrors through faith, for they are taught and be lieve that hell is to be the portion of the unbelievers, and unbelievers only." .My denying hell will not extinguish its

fires if there is one. I 6imply say that I do not believe there is such a place, or that any mortal is, ever has been, or ever will be "destined to undergo any kind of agony or suffering beyond the tomb.

It seems to me that many people express a belief in the doctrine of eternal punishment simply to be "on the safe side" in case such a fate is in 6tore for wicked unbelievers. For my part, I have no need or fear of a hell. While I live I am going to do as near right as I can b'j honest, honorable, charitable and forbearing not, however, with the expectation of being rewarded, or the fear of being punished in a life hereafter.

THOS. E. LAWES,

One of the foremen at the extensive Vandalia shops, when approached for his views, said he had laid away in his desk, a slip taken from "Greg'6 Enigmas of Life, in Black woods Magazine, wh ch exactly expressed his views.' It is so beautifully written that a paragraph is here inserted.

When the p®rtals of this world have been passed, when lime and sense ,have been left behind, and this body of death ha6 dropped away from the liber ated soul, everything which clouded the perceptions, which dulled the vision, which drugged the conscience while on earth, will be cleared off like a morning mist. We shall see all things as they really are—ourselves and our sins among the number. No other punishment whether retributive or purgatorial will be needed. Naked truth and unfilmed eyes, will do all that the most righteous vengeance could desire. Evey now and then we have a glimpse of sweet perceptions while on earth. Times comes torn all when the passion by some casual influence or some sobering shock, have been wholly lulled to rest, when all disordered emotions have drank repose

From the cool oisternsof the midnight, and when for a few brief and ineffectual instants the temptations which have lead us astray, the pleasures for which we have bartered away the future the desires to which we have 6acrified our peace—appear to us in all their wretched folly and miserable meanness, from our feelings then we may form a faint idea of what our feelings will be hereafter, when this occasional and imperfect glimpse shall have become a perpetual flood of light, irradiating all the darkest places of our earthly pathway, piercing through all veils, scattering all delusion, burning up all sophistries."

DR. j. j. c. BIRCH

is most positive in the belief that the comfortable brimstone hell of Christian theology is the outgrowth of ignorance and intolerance of the Church in ages past. The dogma of a hell is not only absurd and illogical,but is positively damnable, and can be believed in by no one whose mind is not stunted in youth and warped in its growth by the fables of the Chtlrch. To a man who loves his family, and who is ready to make any sacrifice for their happiness the idea of a vengeful and unforgiving God is too repulsive to be true, and unless that God is a monster, it is not true. If indeed there bp a future life, and of this we have no proof, then I believe that our punishment is proportionate to our sin here and is the direct result of it, and follows as naturally as effect follows a cause. I believe in no arbitrary post-mortem punishment, and if there be a punishment for sin other than follows it in this life, it must consist only of remorse and intellectual retardation. I have an abiding faith in nature, and believe that eventually all will be made happy.

LOUIS HAY.

Our well-known and genial Sheriff having had considerable experience with sinners was thought peculiarly fitted to give an opinion on their final disposition, and was thereupon button-holed by our reporter. "Although I have ever been taught to believe in the sweet doctrine of a sulphurous Hell," he remarked, "still I have been compelled to reject it as a silly invention of dyspeptic theologians, and gotten up for a purpose the Lord only knows what. The doctrine is barbarous, illogical and damnable, and no man in the full possession of his faculties, and daring to do his own thinking, can accept. Why! in this basement world crime is duly attended with its appropriate punishment. In any case, conscience will follow the criminal and exact a fine, even to the uttermost farthing, and only to often I am called upon to reinforce conscience, and give the poor criminal a- further punishment. I believe in a future life, but do not believe that hell is to be continued in the next world.

JUDGE B. E. RHOADS

is as orthodox in his views on religion as on politics. He believes Bob Ingersoll to be the biggest humbug the present century has produced. Hell, in the Judge's opinion, is where the wicked will go and burn for all eternity. His views on this is based upon the following four last verses of the 25th cuapter of Matthew. He says he can not expftss it better than the Savior did.

L. B. DENEHIE,

A well known Spirtualist, gives his ideas of Hell, as follows:

"I thii.k it to be that condition of mind wherein the state of happiness is incomplete. Subject in this life and in the life to come to infinite change, diversity and acuteness, accord ng to our moral perceptions at the particular lime and times, relating to our ideas of right and wrong. In other words, it is the inevitable conscquence or effect resulting from our actions, worosor thoughts. In other words still, it is the educational schoolmaster that will surely bring the soul to Heaven and harmony through right knowledge and right action."

D. S. DANALDSON

Gives his views on future punishment concisely and to the point as follows "If a man commits a malicious murder or other horrid crimes, he ought to be punished for it in this world, or the next, but not perhaps with burning brimstone in Hell's fire forever. There is—or ought to be—a place of punishment and purification for infamy and horrible acts, with opportunities offered for amendment, so that ultimately all in torment might be released. In the other world, as in this, there must be constant change and improvement, and finally none may remain jn misery. I cannot think that all the

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sins that could be committed in a life time of sevenor a hundred years, however horrid, would merit a punishment in burning lava forever and ever. We are certainly intended for a higher and happier life", not just for unquenchable fire.

J. S. DICKERSON,

managing editor of the Indianapolis Herald, happening to make the GAZETTE a call, was enticed into a corner by our relentless reporter, and asked to divulge his private views on Hell. Under protest he testified that he believed for the truly good t{iere was no Hell needed, and also that to find the truly good he should not consult the membership list of the churches. He seems to believe that the churches will be wall represented in Pluto's realm, and that clergymen enough will find there an abiding place to 6till make Sunday the most miserable day of the week with the recital of the goodness of God. For the willfully wicked he is not averse to the belief that that there is a Hell of the most extreme orthodox pattern—indeed he hopes there is.

A HELL-FEARING LAWYER. The reporter climbed a fight of stairs and found himself knocking at the door of a prominent attorney.

I don't want to startle you, Mr. but I want your views upon Hell, said the reporter, as he prepared himself to take down every word the distinguished attorney would say on the subject.

Don't say another word on that subject," exclaimed the attorney, I don't want to hear any more.

But don't you believe in a—" Yes—no. The fact is I don't know anything about it—I don't like to think about it," excitedly exclaimed the attorney.

And the reporter left, musing that if there was a Hell-fearing man—a man who was ever in fear of Hell's fire—it was the gentleman he had just left.

JUDGE 8. B. GOOKIN8

was approached rather abruptly with the question, "What do you think of Hell?" "Why," said he, startled, "I don't like it." The judge proceeded in a very accommodating manner to elucidate his views, and to define the leading differences of opinion among theologians. The judge agrees essentially with Rev. Mr. Henderson that this life is the only probation—that as the tree falls, so it lies, and that, therefore, the punishment in the future state will be eternal. He has, however, hope of progression and does not believe the doctrine of eternal suffering as unequivocally taught in the Scriptures.

PAUL C. FORSTER,

Of the County Clerk's office, is a materialist of the Huxley and Tyndall school. He believes that adequate punishment for sin follows immediately upon the heels of the offence. He believes that the soul Or spirit is not an entity, but the resultant of our physical organization, and that as death disintegrates our physical self", our ego must also perish. From such a materialistic standpoint the doctrine of a future life is not tenable, and post-mor-tem punishment is, therefore, out of the question.

LAWRENCE HUDSON,

Superintendent of the carriers, the little big man of the Post-office says: The experience of man can not fail to teach us that we must suffer for every wrong committed. I firmly believe that there is a condition beyond the tomb \yhere we live and have intelligence. I totally and absolutely abhor the oldfashioned orthodox idea of Hell. I have personal reasons for hoping there is no such place, at least.

DR. J. R. CRAPO

Does not believe in the beautiful doctrine of a future puhishment as preached in our churches. He believes that vice and depravity in this life not only are punished here, but that the effect of such wrong-doing is felt hereafter and that crime carries within itself the seeds of all adequate punishment both here and hereafter. He does not recognize the interference of an arbitrary power either in this world or the next.

GEO. E. FARRINGTON,

of the Vandalia office, has until lately, been so heterodox as to deny the brimstone hell of Christianity, but since reading up the doings of "Rev. Shepherd" Cowley, in New York, he is absolutely certain that hell not only abounds in anthracite and bituminous coal, ad infinitum, but that it is absolutely eternal—as it ought to be. But for good, upright laymen, he 6ees no need of such a 6ultry climate.

F. C. DANALDSON

Is inclined to the belief that there' is no hell, but with commendable caution adds that "If there be a hell at all I believe in the hell of the Episcopal Church." Considering the fact that t*he Episcopal Church is non-committal on this absorbing topic, we are justified in assuming that Mr. Danaldson looks at hell from the Ingersollian standpoint.

COL. G. F. COOKERLY

believes that sin will be punished and that virtue will be rewarded in another stage of our existence and that this punishment or reward follows as a result of moral law and is not inflicted by an aritrary power or being. Just what that future punishment will be he is not prepared to say, but does not and cannot reasonably believe in the orthodox Hell of Christian theology.

MAYOR HAVENS

believes that the wicked will be punished after death, but not by Hell's fire. He thinks it unreasonable that so many should be condemned to punishment for all eternity. The Hell of the hereafter, in his opinion, will consist of mental suffering for a time until the spirit has progressed higher.

MB. SANT. C. DAVIS

is not exactly orthodox, but is very decided in his views. He says he believes just as Bob Ingersoll does sees ho reason for a future life and doesn't believe it, and not only doesn't believe it, but is positively opposed to it is a pagan and damned proud of it.

JUDGE C. Y. PATTERSON

is quite uncertain whether there is a hell or not, but is decidedly of the opinion that if there is not a hell there ought to be one for the accommodation of a certain few.,

MR. FILBKCK

our worthy Postmaster, thinks if there is

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any future life, we all go to the same place, Democrats and all, but MR. ARNOLD, of the Post-office, refuses to commit himself lest he might lose some of his customers—people might not come to him for their letters.

DR. STEVENSON

does not believe that the Bible is the word of the Deity revealed to man. His hell is one ct mental gloom until the spirit progresses higher.

AUDITOR ANDREW GRIMES

said "I have been unable to find any promise ot immortality to the wicked— who the wicked are, is not for me to say."

ASA M. BLACK

was very busy when the question was propounded to him. "I guess," said he, "I will 'have to look up the authorities.'

T. W. HARPER

declares that he is a Democrat in politics and a follower of Bob Ingersoll in religion.

E. L. GIRDNER

put off the question by saying, "Oh, that isn't in my line." A REPORTER'S VIEWS.

Not to leave out the representative of any class having opinions, the GAZETTE hunter after information on hell sought out a reporter of the city and inquired after his hopes of a glorious immortality when his mission shall have been finished here below, and whether or not the sight of hi6 faith was obscured by the traditional "dun smoke of hell."

It must not be supposed from his connection with a paper that this reporter is necessarily orthodox, though of course any grossly heretical weilder of the quill, or one given to scoffing at holy things, would find himself continually in hot water on a newspaper staff but the reportorial piety that abounds most is of that sort that is not the outgrowth of the adoption and practice ofany creeds or formal rules of life, but springs from a heart mellowed by a broad and tender charity for all a sort that is not kept in his closet, but which he brings to the office with him that is not periodical, with a six days ebb and a one-day's flow, but hath, as it were, a gentle but continual boom. The reporter'6 views when silted down are about as follows:

He is decidedly an optimist and believes everything is as it should be. He says:

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cannot conceive God in the beginning as proposing to himself a scheme of creation which would be even partially a failure, that is, would result disastrously. I am an evolutionist—not a Darwinian— and believe that everytning is being elevated from a lower to a higher order, that is, taking the universe as a whole. Individuals, and even small communities may for a time retrogade, but the universe, even the great body of humanity, cannot for any considerable time go backward. You may as well talk about the ocean's becoming impure.

I have no theory as to the origin of matter but I am not of that SGhool that regards it as gross and degraded, a dead weight upon the universe, and who regard the spirit as absolutely immaterial and unsubstantial. Spirit must be a substance. If God can make spirit at all he can make it as he pleases, as easily by a process of evolution from matter as by an}' other, and from what I know of the processes of nature I believe that all matter is being continually raised frow a lower to a higher place, etherialized, spiritualized and there will come a time when this brooding spirit of God, this leaven of life, will have permeated, vivified and individualized the whole mass. Beginning with the mineral kingdom, the rock absorbs the water which, when frozen, cracks off and pulverizes a little of the outside, opening up the way for nature's pioneer of life, the hardy mass, which grows, decays and forms a soil capable of sustaining a higher order of life which in turn gives way to a higher order still and so on through every grade to this world'6 ultimatum, man. But this evolution is not only true to the extent of producing man but in developing him, and it is by this process that he is to rise from a lower to a higher plane of moral standing.

There is no such thing as the right or wrong of an act apart from its consequences. Actions are only virtuous because they produce happiness, and vicous because they produce unhappiness, and by noticing the consequences (in cases where his reason, unassisted by experience, will not guide him) he will gradually come to distinguish right from wrong with a greater degree of accruracy. But you may say, thre are persons who willfully do a wrong act and if your theory be true why should such cases be found I answer, there no act done but what the doer proposes to himself happiness, and though he knows it jwill be followed by an inevitable punishment, (I do not refer to punishment by ou aws) he accepts the punishment which he hopes will be delayed in consideration of the present enjoyment.

There is no place in the future world at which you can say Hell leaves off and heaven begins as there is no break in the scale of morality in this world but an

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Rep.—But if I object that instead of raising the vicious higher they will pull the yirtuous down?

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The sanguine adherent- to the belief of a tuture life but no hell are not numerous, but they are full of faith and hope. Thev are:

SAML. FENNER. WM. LOTZE, NO. R. COFFIN, JOHN \\. CORY, G. H, SIMPSON. (City Engineer). THOS. ANDERSON, (Citv Attorney).

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