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COVODE DISCLOSURES. Testimony of the Leading Wltnessei BirOBB THE Celebrated lareftCfgutlag to mm 11 lee ' " OF THE HOUSE OP HEFltESEXTATIVESOo 8aiardj anoroiui;, the 13ih inst., Una. John C node, from the S3peciaj Committee to investigate certain alleged corruptions, made his report to the Hoase of Represeutatived, 'coco-

pan ied b an immense mus of testimonj. From ha report we aelect the following pasaagea, which bare not jet been made public TESTIMONY OF JOHS W. FORNEY, Before tht Commit 'Ire, Jung 11, 1860. John V. Forney culled od ezamired. Qnestioo by the Charmao. Colonel, it is unnecessary to ask yoa were yna reniduf Answer. I reside ia the city of FLiladd- . rhia? Q. Tour occopation? A. 1 am editor of tha Press, Philadelphia. . Q Voor position here? j A. i'Wrk of t!ie Ifoa?e of Representatives. Q. Wbatvasyonr position daring the cad- ( Tass in Punsylrar.ia in 18-6f A. I was Chairmaa of the Democratic State Ceotral Committee. Q- Flara yon any remarks to make which would be preliminary or "ipI-natory uf your Connection with political affairs in tbit year? A. I would like to say, if yoa would permit me, that my appearance before this committee, though not entirely unexpected, on accooot of . diseaawioos in the public journals, pots me in the j attitaue, almost, of desiring to know wbat 1 am to say. I know yoa will At me the justice to admii that I have not takeo any part whatever in the iurestigations of the committee outside of my journal, in which I hare very freely discussed its dointrt as any other journal can do. Mr re lations with Mr. Buchanan have been a subject of newspaper co:nmeot; aod 1 presume I hare been summoned by you on that account to be bore this morning. I hare carefully abstained from making any esposare of tboe relational My connection witb him baa heen long, intimate, and of a confidential character, and the separation Is of tha mojt painful uatate; but as most of it concerned myself, I have not forced the matter upon the attention of the public, unless in eeirdefonse, and therefore, in reference to the witnesses that bare been examined here, I hare been caatious to let them take their coarse. The testimony of Mr. Webster, given here, had been fully known to me, aad, indeed, after be had volunteered once before to give the evidence which be did give The Chairman. It is due here I should say that yoa never did give me any iuftrmation with regard to Mr. Webster or anybody else to subpaua. i bad to get all my Iniorma'.ion ( o n otner. and not from yoa, so that will not need any farther explanation. I be Witness. Uoly this, if tha committee will permit m : 1 did not feel that i needed vindca lion against the charge made asrauist me by Mr. Baker, the Collector of the port or PhilaJelphi a beloie the special commtuee or the Senate, of which Mr. Ring was chairman. 1 filt that, in tlie coarse I bad taken against the administration. 1 had the approval of my own ju lnent; and although I in die ply gra'eful to Mr. Web ster for what be said, and also for what the I loo. Charles Brown stid the other dy, inasnucb as it has done a good deal to dispel unjust prejudices ia (he public min t, yet, if I had had my own course to take. I certainly should not have solicited either of thoe gentlemen to co-iie here. 1 would also say that my coming before this committee we not of my own seeking. I had hoped (bat I might he spared, I will not say tbe troub e( of coining here at all; but as I am here now. inatinuch as my na;ne has been osel before another committee Mr. VVinsljw. I do not think any reference to what has been done in the other committee is proper here, nolens we take their records. The Witness, f understood that you allowed Mr. B iker to appear here, and repeat his tesiimtmy before the other co'nmittee. Mr. Wioslow read to the witness go much of the testimony of Colouel Baker as referred to him. Mr. Ribmsou thought it was die to Colonel Forney that be should be allowed to gi on aod state bis connection with th? President, in a? urn eh aa the testimony of Col. Baker says that the cause ot their difference was oa account of his failure to ere I the Post O See blank printing. Mr. Winalow requested tha witness to retire while tbe committee consumed upon t'uat subject. Tbe Witness. If the committee will permit me, I desire to say that the testimony of Col. Baker was so nnj ist, and, I nrnc ad I, so antrae. that for my own vindication I mot go back and state ay relations with tia Prosidout fr tta the time I was elected chairman of tha Democratic State Central Committee of Pennsylvania down to tbe time when our difference took place. The witness then retired. After some time he was recalled, and informed that it had beoo agreed that his statement on that point might be taken subject to tha striking out of every, thing wUicU tha ooismittee might doau irrevelant. Tbe Chairman. Just commence at the. commencement, and go on aod te the historv of tbe whole matter, aa explaining year relations with tke President. Answer. After tbe nomination of .Mr. Buchanan, (I was at Clneianad helping, with others, to seeore that malt,) i was taken very ill, and re aided at Laaeaster with my toother, my wifa being with rae at the time. It was some time bef jie I recovered safficiendy to go to Philadelphia aod resume iy oottoecuoa with tbe campaign. One afternoon I drove up to Wheatland, and found Mr. Bdchanaa sittiog in froot of his hons. os tbe laws ia company with my wife, who bad preceded me; and be said to me io his oaaal kind tnauner, f for -we had for-i ed very close aod intimate relatione, to each other,) "I am very gratelai te yott tor wbak yoa have done at Ciucnna'i. and duriTig ail your life, for aie. I will be elected easy." It was then beltevel that he could be electee easily; be was resrtrdsd as a conservative aiaa, aod be was eotrfidtt bimeeif of his election. "Aad now," said he, ia onier to make your miod easy apoa the suhject, I want to tell yoa what say parposes are in reference to yourself. 1 dettga that yoa should go to Waabiasrton and to take charge ot tbe organ of my admiaistretioa, should 1 be elected, and to take putwesteo ef tbe pabbe printiog. This 3er is vo40ntari:y made, io tbe failures of my heart, asd L intend to aland by it-" I was, of coarse, grati6ed and sorprised. I did not expect that fee would aatt aaeh aa offer, at least at that time aad we parted. We frequently met afierara'da. Tbe campaign began aritb a rood deal of excitement, aad ia a abort time tha coo test assumed aa aspect which asede it exceedingly doabtfal wbat her he would be elected. But tbe election paa-rd over. We carried by a close f vow te Ueaaorratte ticket ia Octotasr, asd afttr ? the November ectioa be seLt f r rae to Wheatlaud, aod said, "I ao sorry to inform yoa that I : caooot rail yoa to Waahiuntoo." I oaght to sy in tkls pfaee that I was fr somtiiae tbe asaitant edit-T of the onrao or tbeadxinastratioa of QeoeraJ Pie row, aod had a large intarawt ia the i pabiie priotiag, wbick was joat aboat bacoaing

valuable to me, when Mr. Bschaaaa became a candidate for the Presidency. I could not sustain a doable position to tbse can'ftd a tes General Pierce and himself being in tbe field and I threw op not only tbe partial cootrol of tbe newapaper.bnt whatever interest I had in the public printing under him, and came back to Pennsylvania, at .Mr. Buchanan's request to resume the direction of tbe campaign. I am sorry," sid Mr. Buchanan, 'that I can Dot fulfill my promise to call yoa to Washington." I had my house here furniabed the bouie now occupied by Senator Trumbull, and owned by my wife, of whom Mr. Itachansn is still the trustee and I, of course, felt very much shocked at this statement, and demanded to know tbe reason. "There are serious objections to yoa upon the part of a cumber of Southern men." I add. "You have surrenderert me." Said be. "I have been compelled to dose; a great trouble would tske place

J in my admmwtratioa if yon came there, and I j khould be conpelled to make another arrange meat." I said that, however disagreeable tbe intelligence might !mj, ii w.s conclusive; and he j might rely apoa it thai he would hear nothii g ! from me io opposition to his administration, if I be continued to stand by the principles upon which be waff elected. He said, "There are many places which you can take und-r me." I I said, Xo! it is utterly impossible that I ta j bear , any official relations to your administration herei after; but I intend to give your adaiinistration a hParty and sincere support" fur I theti believed tast if there was a man on earth who would be true to bis pledges, it was himself. Suhaeqiiently I became tbe candidate of the Democratic party for United Stares Seoator. He recommended me to the Legislature through a friend for that position, which I thought was a coutradiction to the objection which be had alloaed to be successfully made against me; because if be was willing to put me iato the Senate, be certainly ought cot to have objected to having me here a his newspaper representative, so to speak. I was defeated far that place: and then a very strong demonstration wai made in many quarters to put me before him for the Cabinet. I took occasicu at once to tell hint, that, acting on tbe determination which I had started out with, I was oot a candidate for that place. Indeed, I went so far as to assare many 11. a-,... ama menus mat tnetr persistent sopnort of me for the Cabinet was disagreeable to me aod would produce trouble; that Mr. Buchanan had other objects in view, and my course was marked out. Shortly before his inauguration, Mr. Buchansn wrote a letter tendering me one of two places the place of consul to Liverpool, and tho place of naval officer at Philadelphia. I confess that 1 wag surprised at the offer, and was somewhat inditrnaot, and I declined it aohesitaiiuily. Either before that or directly after (certainly about that time.) I was called npon by Mr. Wendell at tbe Merchants' Hotel, Philadelphia, first, and subsequently at Marshal Hoover's, in this city; when he renewed the proposition that the Ptesident had made to me in his letter, addin; that anything else which I might wish I could have. He stated further that he was authorized to say. that if I wonld go to Liverpool, or accept a foreig i mission, I should receive tea thousand dollars in addition to tbe salary of consul, or of a named foreign mission. Mr. Wendell had always before been identified with the opponents of M. Buchanan. During my intercourite with the administration of General I'ierce not because I had any hostility to Mr. Wendell, for we were always good friend-" but because oar rel.tiions were not af the most confidential character I looked upon his proposition as a most extraordinary one. I thought Mr. Buchanan had, I will not say made a in if take, bat I thought be had selected a somewhat singular friend to tnnke that proposition to me. I knew then, as sohgeq tent events have proved, that the money, outride of tbe salary, could only come Irom tbe profits of the public printing. In a subsequent conversation with Mr. Bacbenan, and with gontiemeo connected with the Cabinet, f.r I was oo the best of terms with them theti, I said to them I was not entitled to that much inouey, that an icqiiry would be raised, and that, although, as Mr. Buchanan suggested, I miitht correspond with newspapers, I never could make that much money by correspondence. Wtll, during lb interim betweeu that time and the establiahmect of my paper in Philadelphia, this offer was repeatedly made to me and repeatedly declined. At last a number of gentleman witb whom I was then, and still continue to be intimately associated, thought it would be best that I should go abroad. I was at New York, where I retived aaother letter from Mr. Buchanan, and in reply to that I proposed to submit it to Mrs. Forney, who wa3 then here in Washington; that might have been in May, or thereabouts; and she was here in ill health. I said, "I do not want to make an; trouble; I have tio quarrel with Mr. Buchanan; I know he will do right as to his pledges made during the campaign aod in his inauiraral address, aod I do cot intend to make tbe mistake of warring upon him for personal considerations. He baa chosen to violate bis voluntary promise to me; but if Mrs. Forney agrees to it, I will go abroad and get rid of the thing." I wiah to say here, that at tbat ti.ne I had no purpose in case 1 went abroad, ef accepting of the teu thousand dollars offered me previously by Mr. Wendell. The matter was rtferred tober, and, as I expected, it wasnahesitatiogly and indignantly declined. I then prepared to establish my paper. All the money which I bad saved under tbe administration of General Pierce was spent; I exhausted all my resources ia the campaign, and I was compelled to call apoa the w friends that I bad to assist me io raising the means to establish my paper. Mr. Bachaoao himself, when he saw that I wis resolved to do it, eaid; "Yoa cannot establish a Democratic paper io Philadelphia, and sustain it" I told him I thought I could; if I had any ability in the world it was for that Up to that period we had a gaod many papers, bat we had not had a progressive Democratic paper there, and never anticipated any difficulty with him. I had hopes that I miarht ao conduct tbe piper myself as to be enabled to secure the patronage of the administration, and the confidence of the . party. Tbe money that was subscribed for tbe paper was raised by gentlemen outside of tbe administration. Mr. Bachanaa hi uself offered through Jadge Black, one or two thousand dollars, which I declined, not desiring to be ander ety obligations to him. Now ,lhat I was aa applicant for the public printing io tbe departments, ia wholly unfounded. That I would hare taken the Postoffice blanks at that time is true. , I am a practical priuter. I was reared ia a printing office; and I thought if that were offered to me. aa it was constantly offered to ate, it woold be perf ctJy consistent with my trade aod my paoer to taka it; bat as to my ever asking for it, or tskiag any steps to secure it, with my present reoollectioa tbe charge ia moat sd founded. Before ttartkig my pap I prepared my introductory address, ia which I asserted tbe " principled of popular sovereignty fj Iv; and SO cautions was 1 not to get into difficulty with tha adia:oisiratioa and the party, that I submitted that address to Jadge Buck in proof sheets, teding bint that if my aUaatVins to Mr. Buchanan areie not strong eooegh, he ahoaid make shea tr jogw; and he did tvaeod that opeain j article; ao I started my paper. Previous to the eatab , lishraeot of the paper, winch was sJar'ed oo the ' first of Aagosr, 1&57, Jadge Black wrote me a letter, in which beatated that I should cootiooe to adhere to tbe principle of popular gov." ' ereigwty. and that tha edauaietraiioA weald ad. be-e to it. The paper started, and tta cola awe bow how little I was effected by patronage or by daap point men t, because I stood by every of im anmiBisrraaoa as last as taa

were evolved, coolicuing to make a Strong point npon the popular aide of tbe Kansas question alt the time. We bad a Governor's election going on. Governor Packer was the Democrat ic candidate, and David Wil.not was tbe Republican candidate. Governor Packer planted himself firmly en tbe principle ot popular sovereignty, aod by that more than any other means succeeded in completely defeating Mr. Wilmot I may sty that Tbe Press was his most efficient advocate in that campaiara. Shortly before the election I do oot recullect the date, bat every everybody knows the time the Otford and Mctvee fraods io the Territory of Kansas were exposed. I took S'rong grounds for Governor Walker and Frederick P. Stanton in my paper, and continue I to steadily susta:n them. Mr. Rob nson. And oppose these fraads? Tbe Witness. Yes, sir, I opposed these fraud.. I bad at that time a correspondent in Washington, Mr. McElhooe, who was culiec-iosr information fjr my paper, and he gave mo tbe very first intimation that my course met the disapprobation nf the Administration io that respect, by writing me a letter; bat I had become so

! fully committed to that line of policy that to abandon it wonld be to disgrace myself. This was a source to me of very (treat pain, because i I tbeo saw that, unless I was tolerated ia standing by that which I believed to be right, a diffi j ca'ty with Mr. Buchanan's Administration a ' inevitable. In tbe subsequent affair of Lecompton, which I regard as a somewhat logical result ' of the repciioa of these fnuds that is. the opposition of Governor Walker aod Mr Stanton to tbe Lecomptoo pdicy f the Administration I was oo their side; and I thiuk tbat I may aay that before Jadge Doubles bad taken bis position publicly, my paper bad announced its course, and maintained it steadily to tbe end. I came to Washington very anxions to ba on good terms witb Mr. Buchanan. This was. I think, after the Post Office blanks bad been disposed of; and I told him that I had been committed lo this policy, and that it was impossible for me to change. He said he had changed his coarse because certain Southern Sta'es had threatened tbat if he did not abandon Walker and Stanton they would be compelled either to accede from the Ucion or take up arms against him. I tol J him that toleration was all that we required ; he could maintain himself in changing his course, but I, a single individual, could not. I wanted to be permitted to differ on this, sustaining every other part of the policy of his Administration, to which he responded. No; that he intended to make his policy a test in the Democratic party. I said: "Mr. Buchanan, if that is the case, we shall have to defend ourselves in the best way we can." Subsequent to that we had what I cooceive to be a aeries of proscriptions, such A3 no civilized country baa ever seen exercised upon independent men; and I took up arms io my State agaiost those proscriptions. That is about all that I think pertinent to my relations with Mr. Buchanan. The net ia public. Any other questions which yoa have to ask 1 am ready to answer. . By Mr. Robinson. I will state that there a 1 a discrepancy between the testimony of Jadge ' Black and Mr. Webster Mr. Webster stating that be held a conversation with Jadge Black, who promised thst if yoa wonld take a certain coarse io your paper yoa should have tbe printing of the Poatoffice blanks. Now Judge Black says he did not make a promise of that kind, but told Mr. Webster thai he aod you must rely upon your owu inflmoce to obtain them. I want you to state what Mr. We baler comma nicated to yon, as being; the lanma&ro of Jadge Black, when he returned to Philadelphia? A. Mr. Webster telegraphed to me to meet him at tho Broad and Prime stteet depot; I went op there and took my friend, Mr. McGraw, with me in the carriage, acd when e got oat there and Mr. Webster arrived, he said, "I wa-.t yoa to listen to what I bare got to say;" I waa extremely sensitive about my position; I felt that I was r'ght, and I did not want to be put in an attitude lit abandoni-ig tb't position. Said be, Yoo can get all that Postoffiee printing if yoa will write an editorial as long us your hand expressing your determination never to become a Republican." Said I to him, instantly, "Webster, for the seas worth I could make do such declaration; I have done nothing that is wrong, and if having spent nearly a lifetime in the Democratic party is not a sufSciect ascurance of my integrity, I can give no pledges." McGraw said to me, "Yoa are right; yoa have answered just as your friends expected yoa to answer." And I understood Mr. Webster to ay that he was authorized by Judge Black to make tiat proposition, and I always regarded Judge Black as having exclusive control of that Postoffiee printing. To at it was done witb the knowledge of Mr. Buchanan all through, 1 have no manner of doubt. Mr. Wioslow objected to the receipt of tlie affirmation of tb! witness tbat be had no doubt of the knowledge or the President of this proposition. i Q. i understand yoa to say what yoa nndVrstood Mr. We biter to state to yoo that this was a promise from Judge B ack! - .: A. Yea, sir. " Q Not that ha woa'd use his inflaeoce, bat a promise? . . A. I so ncderstood it. I wish io remark that I do not know what my friend, Cbar'es Brown, has testified to here, except in a general way; but I certainly regard Mr. Brown, in bis interview with tbe President apoa the subject, as nnderstandiog the President as baring treated on this matter of Post Office blacks, i - By the Chairman Q I wish to ask yoa soma questions wi;h regard to mosey matters in Pennsylvania daring the canvass of 18.56. D.d yoa. duriftg the caavaag of 1856. have freqient inter views with Mr. Buchanan relative to the ase of money in that canvasT A . We had interviews. - Q. Can yoa refer to any of them? A I can refer to do partis alar one: there were macy of them. We used, money in that canvass, as all parties do. as parties are using money now. Q. Did Mr. Bachananmake acy objections to using money in the election? - A. No, sir. Q Had yoa any letters or despatches oa that aabjactl . v . i - A- Never; not one. . . . . Q. Tbeo, it was only conversations? A- Converauoas of a general character, and wholly unobjectionable. Br Mr. Winalow Q Wlea was the Senatorial election ia Pca'aiylvania? ' A. Ia January. I&57. Q- It biok yoa said that roe had the assistance of the President aa far as be could give il? A. Yea. air; I so said. . ; , , Q. Who was yonr opponeat? . A. General Cameron. , . , Q. Do yon know anything about any corrupt meaos being used ta dsdeat yoa ia that election ? A I do not ' - . ' ' Q. When was it that Mr. Wendell made the proposition to yoi af which yoa speak? ' A- T mecticoad that in the testimony I have already gives. - Q- Yoa mentioned, in tbe first place, that the President who wrote a letter to yon, and that after that Mr. Wendell came to Philadelphia, aad there he made the same propaaitioa te yoa? !.... ; i 1 - , : A I did net say that it was after the tetter el the Preadeot; It was jmt about that Uav The President wrote ma a letter jest after tho ' Senatorial election, end he wrote me as other lettar ia tha spring or saesaaer following, ayhich X tacaifad ai I was ia New York.

Q. Can yoa tell me the time that Wendell came to yoo? A. I saw Mr. Wendell at the Merchants' Hotel, in Philadelphia, before the inauguration I cannot tell the exact time and I saw him daring the spring or summer, at Marshal - Hoover s here. i Q. I speak of this first proposition that he aade to yoa? a. - A. I cannot fix the date exactly. Q- Was it subsequent or previous to the President's letter to you? A. I thick it was previous, i

Q. Do yon know the date of the Premdeots letter to you? v 4- ' A. I received tbe letter ia Hsrrisburg on the ds? that the State Democratic Convention met and nominated Mr. Packnr for Governor. I got it at Baesier's old hotel. Q. You ssy that yoa were surprised at Wendell's briogmg tbe proposition to you, and oa refnsed it? A. I refused it; yes, sir: Q Did yoa look upon It as at all a dishonorable proposition? ' A. ( Alter a pause) Well, it excited resentment, c.Q. For wbat reason? A. Because it came from Mr. Wendell, with whom I bad not been on terms of dose intima cy, and who had been Mr. Bachanaa s steady opponent berore. Q . This was the ground of yonr objection at thit time? A That was the ground of my objection at the time. But I ought to add that I could see no reason why so much money should be offcied to get me oat ol tbe country. Q. What I want to get at is whether you regarded the proposition as an improper one a dishonorable one, snch as one gentleman ought not to make to another? Or whether yoar resentment was founded npon the fact that it was such an offer as yoa ouirbt not to receive? A. I regarded Mr. Buchanan's proposition in the light of an insult in itself, and of course I coold not regard its repetition by Mr. Wendell in any other light; much more if coupled witb tbe offer of mouey. Q. Why did yoa regard tbe offer of the President aa an insult? A For the reason tbat I had borne to him a reialion of confidence; I bad sacrificed years of time io his service; I bad stood stead ly by him eot only in the campaign which was concluded, bat all be! ore. And 1 looked upon his proposition to sead me oat of tbe country, away from the friend who had served him and me. as in some sort a degradation, and it was so regarded by all my friends. Q- That is not a reply to ray question, whether yoa considered the proposition a dishonorable ene? ' A, I desire to say that in the spring or summer of 13j7, I said that I was willinir, in order to show to my friends tbat I was not desirous of making trouble, to go to Liverpool; that place having been held by a number of distinguished gentlemen, it could not bave been a dishonorable prooosition because of the place; but it was a dkthoo-trable one, it was a degradation to me, as I bave just stated, inasmuch as it was made for the pomose mentioned. Q. You do not apprehend me, I think; I speak of the offer of tbe place in conoec'ioo with this f 10.000; did you consider tbat a dishonorable proposition? A. Yes,sir; I did think that dishonerable. ' Q. Did you know the value of tbe postoffiee blank print ins? A. By common rumor only. O Were vou not aware of tbe value of that printing daring Mr. Pierce's administration? A. Well, sir, I was generally aware of it, b Qt

only from rumor. Q. You never had any connection with that print eg. then? A- I received a portion of it, bat I did not know how marh it was worth. Q. How much did voa receive? A. I do not know that. Q. Who did the printing duriag Mr. Pierce's administration? A. Jadae Nicholson had it, I believe. Q. How did you coine to get a portion of the postoffiee printing? A- I think I received one-third or one-fifth of the proceeds of tbe po?toffice blanks. Q Do I understand yoa that you cannot recollect the amouut of yoar portion? A. I cannot. Q How came you to get a part of the payroent for it. A. I was an editor of the Ucion, and I was a partner with Judge Nicholson. Q. Were you Clerk of the House of Representatives daring the whole term of Mr. Pierce's administration? A. Yes, sir. Q What portion of that time were yoa editor j of the Union? A. Pretty nearly all the time. Q Do you recollect the precise lime when yoa went into tbe Union? A. I was a salaried editor of the Union during a portion of Fillmore's term; I tbii k I was salaried for, say three years; I cannot remember dates exactly, a--d 1 was interested in tbe public printing for some months before I left tbe paper and went to Pennsylvania. Q. I think ou said that yoa got one-third or oae-fifth of this printing;? A Oae-third or one-fifth, I do sot remember which. Q. Who got tbe rest? A. Mr. Nicholson got one third, I believe, and I do not recollect who got the other. Q Mr. Nicholson was then public printer? A. Yes, sir. I think he was. Q. And had tbe printing of the postoffiee b'AUllS? A. I think so; I am not tare as to these facts, for I am somewhat careless about my own boaioess relations. Q. Do I understand yoa to say that yoa never applied to the administration for the printing of thoae post office blanks? A. To my recoi'ec.ion, never. - Q. Did yoa ever make any intimation to any ef your friends that you would accept that printing? A Yea, sir; prior to the offer by the administration aa a means of settling the difference between os. - Q . State when that was, aa Dear as yoa can recollect? A. Tbat was before the dii&cultie about Le ompton. " Q Do yea mean the difficulties with the admiotstratioa, or inside ot tbe party, apoa tbat question. A. Yes, err, of course; I could have no offers of that kind after 1 had relaxed ta support Le compton candidates. Q. At tbe meeting of Congress ia December yea say yoa bad taken your coarse in Tbe Press in regent to that matter after the Oxford fraada? A Yes, sir, Q. Tbe Preside tits geceral message at the comeeecarat of the eeeetoa was a pabiie a&noanceaeot f his coarse; was it before o after thai general message? A. It was tefore tbe general message, as near: aa I csu recollect; Mr. Brown's visit to Waab--uctea. whenever ma ie was made oa his own aspoosibiltty entirely. Q. Ahieh Mr. Brown? A Caarkrs Browa. Q l aw, I ewderstaoj yoa to say that this intimation to yoar trwods was a&ec tha Oxford fraud were developed, aad before th geaaral anesaage ef the Preideatt A. No, sir; daaxe to gey ladastly tbat at

no period of time did I ever agree to accept) any patronage or office from the administrator when offered as a boon on condition to ehaogi' my position on the Kansas question, after ! differed with them npou the Kansas question generally. ' ' " J . ' i Q. That is the time I waat to fix; when Hit that difference comanecce? A. The differ nee took p'ace somewhere about September or October.,- . .. - - By Mr. Olin Q. Before tbe meeting of Con-t, areas? - :

A Yes, sir. ; j By Mr. Wwslow Q, Was the visit of Mr. f Webster here witb your consent? A. I knew he was comicg ami told him that he bad my honor io his hands. - Q. Tbe visit then, was made by your consent and approbation, yoa confiding in Mr. Webster as your friend having the charge of yoar honor? A. Yes, sir. Q. Can you state the exact words that Mr. Webster repeated to yoa when yoa saw him at the depot, as near as yoa can the conversation he had with yoo? A. I cannot, except as I have already stated. Q. You cannot state the words? A. No, sir; no further than I have already done. : Q. When were you elected Clerk of the present House of Representatives? A. Soma time in February last - Q. Were yoa ia the city of Washington at that time? Yes, sir. Q. Do yoa recollect of addressing a pnblio meeting here then? A. I do. C; Was that on the night of yoar election? A. Yes, sir. Q tlaudiug witness a paper Will yoa look at this paper a Lid see if it contains a correct report of yoar remarks? A. ivtamining tbe paper. Yea sir; this is copied into the New York Herald from tbe Press The Mazeppa speech was then read. JUDGE BATE'S LETTER IN SUP PORT OF LINCOLN. THE REPUBLICAN STASDARD BEARER vTARMLT EULOGIZED. St. Louis. Jane 11. 1S60. O. II. Browning, Esq., Quiney. III.: Dxab Sir: When 1 received your letter of May 22d. I had no thought that the answer would be so long delayed; but, waiving all excuses, I proceed to answer it now. - - - Under tlie circumstances of the case, it ought not to bave been doubted that I would give Mr. Lincoln's nomination a cordial and hearty support. But in declaring my intention to do so, it is due myself to state some of the facts and reasons, which, have a controlling influence over ray mind, and. which I think, ought to be persuasive arguments with some other men, whose jhlitical opinions and antecedents are, in some important particulars, like my own. There was no good ground for supposing tbat I felt any pique or dissatisfaction because tlie Chicago Convention failed to nominate me. I had no such feelings. On party grounds, I had no right to expect the nomination. I had no claims upon the Republicans as a party, for I have never been a member of any party, so as to be bound by its dogmas and subject to its discipline, except only the Whig party, which is now broken up and-its materials, for the most part, absorbed into other organizations. And thus I am left, alone and powerless indeed, but perfectly free to follow the dictates of my own judgment and to take such part in current politics as my own sense of duty and patriotism may require. Many Republicans, and among them, I thiuk, some of tbe mo!t moderate and patriotic of that party, honored me with their confidence, and desired to make me their Candidate. For this favor I was indebted to tbe fact tbat between them and me there was a coincidence of opinion upon certain important questions of government. They and I agreed in believing that the national Government has bovereiga power over the Territories, and that it would b impultiic and unwise to nte tt.at power for the propogalion of negro slavery by planting it in tree territory. Some of them believed also that mv nomi nation, while it would tend to aolien the lutie of tlie Republican party, without any abandonment of Us principles, might lend also to generalize its character and attract tbe friendship and support ot many, especially in tbe border btates, who like me. Lad never been members of their party, but concurred with them in opinion about the government of the Territories. These are the grounds, and I think tbe only grounds, upon which I was supported at all at Chicago, i As to tbe platform pat forth by tbe Chicago Convention. I have bat little to say, because whether good or bad, tbat will not constitute the ground of my support of Mr. Lincoln. 1 Lave no great respect for party platforms in general. They are commonly made in times of high excitement, under a pressure of circumstances, and witb tbe view to conciliate preaent support, ra her than to establish a permanent system of principles and liaa ol policy for the future good government of tbe country. Tha conventions which form them are transient in their nature; their power aod influence are consumed in tb vising, leaving no continuing obligation apoa their respective parties. And hence we need, not wonder that tlatforms so made, are Lard I y ever acted out in practice. - I shall not discuss their relative meritt, bat content myself with saying that this Republican platform, though ia several particulars it deea not aatt my views, ia still far better than any pabliahed creed, past or present, of the DcWiocraU. , And as to the new party, it has not chosen to promulgate aay phttform at all, except two or three broad genera licit s which are common to tbe profesaiosa of taith of ail parties ia tha country. No patty, indeed, dare ask the confidence of tba nation, while opealy denying: the obligation to support the Union aad tbe CodietitaXroa,- and - ta enforce ' tbe laws. That is a common duty. Lsadtag apoa eve-, ry eitizenvaad tha failure ta perfovns it ia m crimav . . - r. t ,m t ; To me it is plain that the approaching eon test must be betweea the Democratic and hVepabheaa parties; aad between then, I pra-Iwa-tha lattac. ?,.y v.'f - The lAMoeratie party, by the leaf P seaaioa and abase of power, has grown waa' ton and reck leas; has corraptod itself aad perwarvad the pinciplaS ol the Govswaxaaat;

has set itself against the srreat home inter

ests of the people, by neglecting to protect their industry, and by refusing to hnprovo and keep in order the highways and depots of commerce: and even now ie rging & measure io Congress to abdicate the constitutional power and duty to regelate commerce among the States, and to grant to the States discretionary powwr to levy tonnage duties upon all our commerce, under tha pretense of improving harbors, rivers, end lakes; has changed the status of the crro slave by making him no longer mere property, but a pelUician, ma antagonist power in the State, a power to whioh all other powers are required to yield, under penalty of a dissolution of the Union; Las directed its energies to the gratification of its last of foreign domain, as manifested in persistent efforts to seise upon tropical regions, not because those countries and their incongruous people are neeassery or even desirable, to be incorporated into oar nation, but for the mere purpose of making Slave States, in order to advance the political power of the party in tbe Senate and in the choice of the President, so as effectually to transfer the chief powers of the Government from the many to the few; has ia various instances endangered the equality of the coordinate branches of the Government, by urgent efforts to enlarge the powers of tbe Executive at tbe exoense ef tha Lecrlslativo department; lias attempted to discredit the a e, a. . a W A and degrade the Judiciary, Dy aneoung ij make it, at first, the arbiter of party quarrels, to become soon and inevitably the passive registrar of party decreesIn most, if not all these rartrCoJars, I un derstand the Republican party (judging it by its acts and by the Known opinions oi many of its leading men) to he tbe exact opposite of the Democratic party; and that ia the ground of my preference of the on party over tbe other. And that alone would be a sufficient reason, if I had not other good reasons, for supporting Mr. Lincoln against any man who may be pat forward by the Democratic party, as tne exponent of its principles and tha agent to work out, in practice, its dangerous policies. The third nart v. which, by its werr form ation, has destroyed the organizations of the American and Whig parties, lias nominated two most excellent men. I know them well, as sound statesmen and tsoe patr o.a. More than tbirtr Tears ejro I served "t't them both in Congress, and from that titno to this I bave always held them in respect and honor. But what can tha third patty do towards the election of even soeh worthy men as these against the two great parties which are now in actual eon teat for the power to rule the nationt It ie made np entirely of portions of the disintegrated elements of the late Whig and American parties good materials, in- the main, 1 admit, but quite too weak to elect any man or establish any principle. The most it can do is, hero and there in particular localities, to make diversion in favor of the Demoerats. In 1C56. the Whig and American parties, f " -t forming a new party, but united as allies.) with entire unanimity and' some sesl, supported Mr. Fillmore for the Presidency, and with what results? We made a miserable failure, carrying no State but gallant littl.i Maryland. And surely, the united Whis sod Americans ol thai day had a far greater show of strength and far better prospects of success than any which belong to the Constitutional Union party now. In fact, I see no possibilty of succesa-for tbe third party, except in one contingency the de struction of the Democratic party. Tbnt is a contingency not likely to happen this year. for aa badly as I think of many ol tne acts and politics of that party, its cup is not yet full the day has not yet come wnen it must dissolve in its own corruptions. Bat (he day is coming and is not far off. The party has made itself entirely sectional; il has concen trated its very being into one single idea; netrro slavery has control of all its faculties, and it can see and bear nothing alee "ono stern, tyrannie thought, that mas.ee all oth er thoughts its shaves!" But the Democratic party still lives, and while it lives, it and the Republican party are the only real antagonistio powers in the natiou, and for the present, 1 mast choose between them. I choose the latter, as wis er, purer, younger, and lees oorrupted by self-indulgence. Tbe candidates nominated' at Chicaco are both men who, as individuals and politicians. rank witb tbe foremost of the country . I have beard no objection to Mr. Hamlin personally, but wily to bis geographical position, which is thought to be too far North and East to allow bis personal good quali ties to exercise their proper mnaenoa- over tbe nation at large. But the nonwnntion for . - - ... . a . the Presidency is tba controlling act. air. Lincoln, his character, talents, opinions an J history will be criticised by ttwasaaea, wLilo the candidate for tbe Vice Preeideocy will be passed over ia comparative silence. Mr. Lincoln's noniinatioo took she pel lie by surprise, because,- until jost -before- the event, it was unexpected; , But really it ought not to have excited any aurpriae. tcr such unforeseen nominations are common in our polkieal history. Poik and Pierce by tbe DstavicTatsand Harrison end: Taylor by the Whigs, were all aoauoated ia this extemporaneous manner all-of thera were elected. I hava known Mr. Lweola for mora than twenty yeare, aad therefore Lave a right to speak of him wiUi eauae coa5deoce. Aaaoindisidnel-bo haeuerned a hirb repntatioo for truth, coomfa, an Jor, U moat trvart worthy. Awdinsxneaaatieukr be is more aatirfoi to our .estsant than some oThernterT. Li. eojm who had - optrwnaise aad aid. Jtv ea lite. H J2U. aod the will to nsUbtoJbe best advantage, are anqnaatianafcee; and the pUfoand itbatlhat.i T Position io We. Jrota bis famble tJ hi. present well eeAeb. ha aaore U fettUed tnuhepe. of ks t--A. Aiwl us ta, tha full Tscer of his I .naiahood and in theJioawM jnda a lawIXltLaelf what ha is. be peer cf tKa. Aral aawA Of tha jaaeW aw tdua himeslf and advance hbi - . a a s aLaa again "t advsnawy, and ia aay na ! koowlao are the M . ii i . nnaaanilhis thTT i mica and lapohuea lrrinintalleotaal eirjeaa af bi etutmetar. Be ha eot jhts With nor luddeo&J tins

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