Richmond Palladium (Daily), Volume 38, Number 260, 9 September 1913 — Page 10

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THE RICHMOND PALLADIUM AND SUN-TELEGRAM, TUESDAY, SEPT. 9, 1913

DEFERS APPROVAL OF THE REPORT Ofl VOTINGJACHINES (Continued from Page 1.)

confidence In machine voting. It seems to me that there are far less chances of manipulating ballots under the Australian system than with the machines. Under the former where you have watchers from all the parties Interested in an election it would be pretty hard to 'fix up' any kind of a deal. With the machines where the counting is all done mechanically and out of sight I am naturally suspicious. "Of course the items of depreciation and interest should be figured in arriving at the cost of voting machines," Mr. Robbins further said. "Any business man knows that." Figure Depreciation. Chris Ilasemeier, a prominent merchant of Richmond stated that he was perfectly willing to continue voting under the Australian system. "In arriving at the cost of the voting machine system," Baid Mr. Hasemeier, "I quite agree that the operating cost

should be figured on the basis of what the machines themselves cost to operate. Naturally depreciation and interest have to be taken into account if the true cost by voting machines is to be ascertained." "Can be Manipulated" Dill. Howard A. Dill, treasurer and superintendent of the Richmond City Water Works company, said he favored the introduction of voting machines if they could be proved to be cheaper and more convenient than the present Australian ballot system. "Personally," he said, "I do not believe a machine can be made that can not be manipulated and that is a condition I do not care to encounter when I cast my vote. "Of course," continued Mr. Dill," you have to start with the operating cost of the machines themselves and not a percentage of the Australian system's cost in getting at the actual operating cost. Furthermore the items of depreciation and interest are very important items of total cost in any proposition involving the expenditure of money." Omar Hollingsworth, one of the

city's most prominent business men, I

was emphatic in his disapproval of the proposition of installing voting machines In Wayne county. "I most certainly do not want to see voting machines bought by Wayne county. I have no confidence in theiri and never want to have to cast my vote that way." "You can't figure on the cost of any investment," continued Mr. Hollingsworth," unless you take into consider

ation depreciation and- Interest. And you can't arrive at the operating cost of voting machines by counting them as a certain percent of the cost of the Australian system. You would have to go into some of the counties where they have had voting machines in operation and find out what their costs have run." Opposed to Devices. "The commissioners had better look after decreasing our present tax rate instead of adding to the present burdens of taxation by an expenditure of $21,000 for voting machines," said John Evans, the well known manufacture?. "It may seem at first hand that the county will be able to save money by the use of the machines, but when the interest on the investment is considered, plus the depreciation in value of the machines, the wages of expert repairmen and other odds and ends that would be added to election costs,

! the books will not show a saving to j the county. I am unalterably opposed

to the machines." Easy to Manipulate. "The man who favors the use of voting machines because he has the idea that adding machines are trusted to handle figures in banks and that therefore voting machines must be trustworthy has little idea of the trouble that adding machines cause bankers," said A. D. Gayle, president of the First National bank. "They get out of order and make mistakes so often that frequently I am tempted to throw those we have out of the office and try another kind. We have already tried out two makes and neither of them are perfect by any means. "It is easy for any one to manipulate

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