Indiana State Sentinel, Volume 27, Number 50, Indianapolis, Marion County, 31 July 1878 — Page 7

THE INDIANA STATE SENTINEL, WEDNESDAY MORNING, JULY 31, 1878.

GENERAL TELEGRAMS.

THE ELECTORAL IxqUIRY. Tb Worlt Drat YenterdMy TI Proceedings at Atlantic CJty. Atlantic, N. J., July 24. The Potter committee this morning called Representative Kelly, the examination being conducted by Representative Hlscock. Mr. Kelly esti lied that he visited New Orleans in November. 1876. President Grant, while in Philadelphia participating in the closing ceremonies of the exposition, sent for witness. He found President Grant surrounded by distinguished gentlemen, among them General Robert Patterson. President Grant proposed he should visit New Orleans to witness the action of the returning board. At first he declined, but the president said a number of prominent gentlemen of the democratic party had gone, and therefore be wanted him to go. He was merely to go to ew Orleans as a looker on and to see that nothing improp;r should occur. Previous to going he had no conversation with any one but President Grant General Patterson concurred in the suggestion that be ought to go. He left Philadelphia the 15th of November entirely alone, but on the route found himself in company with Secretary Sherman, and on arriving at New Orleans found a number of visiting gentlemen, republican in politics. The witness stated that the republican visiting statesmen found there the distinguished gentlemen, democrats. A committee of the latter addressed a communication to the foroier proposing that the two bodies of vis-itors organize and participate in the business of the returning board. The republican committee replied, "We are here as private citizens with no official power; we can not, therefore, supersede or modify any law of that state, nor have we any right to control or influence any officers as to the manner in "which they shall perform ministerial or judicial duties." Senator Sherman concurred very decidedly in the views expressed by the republican committee. The visitors of the opposite side mingled freely at times. In answer to a question if the republican committee discussed any question involving interference with the official duties of the returning board, witness said he never heard such conversation in private or at meetings. If anyone bad attempted such- a thing it would have been treacherous to his associates as well as a violation of duty. Kelly, in the course of his testimony, said he never heard of any suggestion to manipulate the parishes for any purposes, nor did he ever hear that affidavits were signed with the names of fictitious persons. He did not know of Sherman having a conversation with Weber and Anderson. He bad no consciousness of having ever seen Weber. The action of the returning board was not communicated to the witness in any way. He was, however, of the opinion, and frequently said so, that fraud had been perpetrated on both sides, but that if the just returns were made they would give the elec toral vote to Hayes. His attention was called to Weber's testimony, in which it was stated that the returning board was influenced by the vUhing statesmen to reopen the returns. The witness said this was unqualifiedly false in whole or in pait Nothing was done for which any such assertion could have becn made. The witness never heard any t-uch rumor. The general character of the evidence showed intimidation. Some of it was most abhorrent He heard the stories of Eliza Pinkston and Rosa Richmond, and another old negro witness, and fully believed all their statements. There was violence of the most desperate character. If Eliza Pmkston's story is not true then the stage has loit a brilliant ornament. Mr. Kelly was cross examined by Potter, but nothing of importance was elicited. Cortland T. Parker, of New Jersey, testified thkt he visited New Orleans solely at the request of General Grant. He did not while in Louisiana, hear doubts thrown on tbe protest made by Anderson as to East Feliciana, or that it was interlined, or that Anderson wished to withdraw it. Representative Hale testified Went to New Orleans solely at the request of President Grant, and not atdhe instance of Governor Hajes or any person for him. All republican visitors maintained the position that they should be careful to abstain from any attempted influence on the returning board. So far as be knew, this principle was strictly carried out. The witness and Senator - Sherman were together every day. He had not seen the letter purporting to bare been written by Weber and Anderson, dated November 19, 1576, and the alleged reply of Senator Sherman. If such letters were written he thought, from his intimacy with Sherman, that be would have beard of the fact He characterized as false the testimony of Weber about visiting republicans influencing the action of the returning board. In reply to a question by General Barter Mr. Hale said: "1 thought that if Hayes was elected president Packard was elected governor. I thought bolh were elected." Representitive Danford was recalled and testified that there was no discrepancy or difference between the votes cast for Hayes and those cast for Packard, except in Natchitoches, where Packard had 200 ox 300 more votes than Hayes. Ex Congressman J. Hale Sypher, of New Orleans, was examined by Chairman Potter and testified that he is a republican on principle, and that at the time the republican visitors were in New Orleans he met D. A. Weber at the entrance of the custom house, who asked, '"Can I take the promises of gentlemen who are here to provide for me if I am driven out of my parish?" The witness replied to this: '"Whom do you mean?" Weber mentioned Matthews and Sherman specially. The witness then said, "The gentlemen stand very closely to the incoming president, personally and politically, and I think you can trust them." Weber remarked he had been deceived a good many times, and as he, therefore, did not feel like taking any man's verbal promises be would demand a promise in writing. The witness said that was the only way. The next day be again met Weber, who exhibited a letter, which the witness read, and then returned. Weber made no special remark, but appeared to be pleased with tbe letter, which purported to be signed by John Sherman. He had seen Sherman's handwriting. He would not testify that tbe letter was in Sherman's handwriting, but there was nothing to make him think it was not his handwriting. He presumed it was his. He could not give the purport, but the published letter, the original of which he hastily read, seemed to be substantially correct This was between the 15th and 20th of November. He thought tbe body of the letter and tbe signature were in the same handwriting. He had seen the official signature of Sherman, but could not name any particular document, nor would be swear the signature to the letter Weber had shown him was genuine. That question did not enter into bis mind. The letter was written on note paper. He first mentioned the fact of the existence of such a letter to his brother in Louisiana. He also mentioned tbe fact to Judge Shellabeger two weeks ago. The witness was asked whether be did not know another brother, J. R. Sypher, here present, was the legal adviser of James E. Anderson. Witness said he knew this only from newspaper report and further, in reply to another question, said he had read the evidence that had been introduced against the existence of such a letter, and that Anderson's testimony was accordingly attacked. The witness said Weber did not b tate for what purpose the letter was given. Secretary Sherman testified be was invited to go to New Orleans by PresI Jtnt Grant, by

a telegram in terms something like tbe following: "I would be gratified If you would go to New Orleans to witness the count" At first he declined to go, but a accord telegram was received from President Grant, saving "I think It important for you to go." Rut he did not go till the Wednesday after. On his way to Cincinnati he stopped at Columbus, where he saw Governor Hayes. In reply to interrogatories by Mr. Hiscocok, be said his conversation with Governor Hayes was general about tbe election, all tnen being in the dark. Further examination was postponed until to-morrow ruorn-

Tbe New Orleans II ranch. Nkw Orleans, July 24. Before the Potter sub-committee to-day Judge Wm. R. Whitakerand John Dooglas . testified regarding the signature on tbe second set of electoral certificates that in two cases tbe name of Joseph was written prior to that of Sheldon, and in one case the name of Sheldon was written prior to that of Joseph. They also testified as to tbe signature of Thos. 8. Kelly on the letter received by the committee from Lake Providence. Judge Homaher testified: Left New Orleans for Donaldsonville December 27, leaving Judge Morris Marks in New Orleans. This testimony was introduced to show that Marks was in this city on the day tbat the second set of electoral certificates were signed. Thomas II. Nolan testified: In 1S76 assisted in the preparation of tbe affidavits in tbe custom bouse, and was in Eberville during the election. Aldin brought the tickets np there. Tbe names of live electors had been left off. He said it made no difference, as they were for the state at large. Talked to Kellogg, Packard and Dibble about it three or four days after the election. They said we would lose the state by it One or two parishes on Red river were in tbe same fix. Judge Hugh J. Campbell said tbe returning board would have to throw out democratic votes enough to equalize that action. In preparing the affidavits made them as strong as possible. Always endeavored to make a fair statement of .the testimony of witnesses, but would, instead ot making the witness say he "had heard," we made bim say "he knew" of the allegations made. Found very xtew who bad personal knnwledge of the oc curences related, we an, somehow, icu into tbe same "rut" in drawing up the affidavits. Was introduced to Messrs. Hale, S tough ton and Garfield. They were in the room where the affidavits were being made. They seemed to be interested in the work going on. They kept copies of the affidavits. Saw Mr. Gafneld nearly every morning. Siw Mr. Sherman in Mr. Cockrell's office. Mr. Stoughton was np in the surveyor's office, where be was supervising the taking of affidavits for tbe Red river parishes. Three or four witnesses were sworn together. I never took any pains to read over tbe affidavits to tbe witnesses. They were generally told tbe affidavits would never be published. It was the understanding in republican circles that tbe state bad gone democratic and they must by affidavits and protests make a case for the returning board to throw out poles enough to reverse the result Wesley Jackson, colored, to Mr. Stehger Lived in Bayou Sara during the last election. Joined the "Sage Hill" club at the instance of Gilbert Carter. He was president Didn't know until after the second meeting what the objects of me?ting were. Then Gilbert Carter told me they wanted to kill certain white folks. After that I didn't attend any mora meetings. The club lasted about two weeks. When Gilbert Carter was killed most of us left the parish. To Governor Cox Gilbert Carter came to my house and asked me to join the club. Nobody but Gilbert Carter told me what the club was. Tbe witness gave the names of a number of members of tbe club, and continued: Carter said tbe white folks bad a club and bulldozed as, and let us get np a club and bulldoze them. I saw white men riding in the road, but they never pestered u.e Judge Kennard testiried, giving an account ot the organization or the democrats in FeliciaDa for the last campaign. Organized colored clubs and addressed meetings. The organization of the regulators ante-dated the campaign or the political organization. The object was to prevent stealing. Tbe best citizens took part in the organization of the regulators, composed mostly of young men. The organization led to excesses, and for this reason was disbanded. Tbe acts of tbe regulators were, of course, outside of law. The Last Day at New Orleans How tbe Kir bolls Government m Sustained Major Barke's Testimony. New Obleaks, July 25. Major E. A. Burke was the first witness called by tbe Potter sub committee to-day. He testified substantially that he resided in New Orleans since 1809, wai here in 1870. Left for Washington 13th of January, 1877, was Eent by Governor Nicholls to represent the interests of tbe Nicholls state government Nicholls was informed that efforts were being made to misrepresent the condition of affairs in Louisiana to President Grant, who, it was alleged, was asked to interfere in behalf of the itckard government. Nicholls was also informed tbat there was a determination to force on bis legislature tbe election of two United States senators in the interest of the republican party as the price of yielding up state government Hence the witness' mission to Washington. He was instructed verbally by Governor Nicholls to ascertain the true state of affairs at Washington and to keep bim posted. He was also to represent to the president the state of affairs in Louisiana in tbe interest, of tbe Nicholls government He was also instrncted to confer aud act with the managers and representatives of the national democratic party. He also received written instructions to the same effect. Major Burke said he would here submit the following telegrams, dated anterior to bis vJit to Washington, which would show the relations of the Louisiana state government and the national government to each other: Niv Orleans, January 6, 1877. To the Hon. Randall Gibson, M. C, Washington, D.C.: Republicans will doubtless charge us with violent intentions Monday and Invoke federal interference. We proceed by peaceful, lawful methods enly, actively but not forcibly Flatting in motion a govern ment commanding he moral and mnterial support of the people. Any violence will come from radicals who may seek a collision to secure troops or recognition of Packard. (.Signed) K.A. BCRKE. Washington, January W, PC7. To E. A Burke, New Orleans: Received and acted on your dispatch. Result favorable. (Signed) R. T. Gibson. Washington, January 10, 1877. To General Augur: It is rejorted here that the state house in New Orleans Is surrounded by nn armed mob. If thU be so, notify them to acquiesce in your orders. It Is the determination of the president to not have the legislature disturbed, and as soon as he has learned the tact In the premises from both parties he will recognize either. J.D.Cameron, Secretary. General Gibson informed the witness that be bad submitted the dispatch and the representation of the intention of the Nicholls government to .President Grant Witness said he would here file without reading a number of dispatches from Packard, Howe, Kellogg, Pitkin, Wadisigh, Attorney General Taft, J. D. Campbell, and President Grant, dated from the t'th to 10th of January, 1377,

and showing from a republican view the condition of affairs in New Orleans, and also the attitude of the national administration at that time. These dispatches were not addressed to bim, but came into bis possession. Most of tbem have already been published. Tbe dispatch of President Grant, dated January 14, to General Augur indicated the policy of the preside ut, and stated tbat should there be any necessity of any recognition of either, it mnst be Packard. The witness then rid several telegrams allowing the state of affairs at that time, but ot no interest at the present time. He then said it would take a couple of days for bim to give the details, and as the committee were about leaving be would simply make references, and give tbe details subsequently. The witness said tbat the decision of President Grant, which had been previously made in favbr ot Governor Nicholls, in the case of Ouachita, had created a terrible party feeling, and strong pressure was brought to bear on bim which caused him to decide the cae of Natchitoches in favor of Packard. The witness then read a long telegram from himself written In Washington to Governor Nicholls stating that tbe lstter's strength in Louisiana was weakness in Washington and that Grant wanted to uphold the Packard government in order to help Hayes. He also read a number of telegrams written by himself to Nicholls in regard to 6tate politics, and then the following: OTHER LETTERS. Worm leys, February 17. To E. A.. Burke, Esq.: MyDkakSir In answer to your note of this morning, I beg to say that I see do objection to your conferring with the Hon. llanual Gibson on the subjects discassed between us. Very truly, Stanley Matthews. The witness then read the following: Willakd's Hotel, ) Washington, Feb. 18, 1877. J To the lion. Stanley Matthews: My Dear Sir In acconlance with your request I called several times to submit a mem." or polnta, which, it unuerstood, would doubtless aid In tbe solution of our state affairs. The notes inclosed represent the policy and determination of the Nicholls government as to tbe question heretofore discussed. Every member of the government and our people are pledged to the faithful carrying out of the same In case the Nicholls government should be acquiesced In. (Should the ouly government In tne state which commands i he respect and support of the people beoverthrown, of course Governor Nicholls' power to preserve peace or order ceases, and the responsibility of remitting the stale to anarchy, and each parish thereof to the control of local factions, must rest elsewhere. Respectfully yours, E. A. liCKKE. The following dispatch was read: Washixotox, D. C, Feb. 17, 1877. F. T. Nicholls, New Orleans: There Is no present reason to believe that Packard will ever be recognized nolens we are grossly deceived by high authority. (.signed) K. A. Burke. GRANT INTERPRETED. The witness stated that the memorandum referred to in the above letter would appear further on, and said he would now fil a statement by Mr. Levy of his Impressions in regard to interviews with President Grant, which paper was prepared on the 18th of February, 1877, and deposited with him on that day. The statement contained the opinion tbat Grant had no sympathy with the Packard party per se, but as the presidential question would greatly depend on Louisiana, he would not recognize the Nicholls government pending the issue of the electoral count The recognition ot N.cholls would be regarded as an abandonment of the claims of Hayes. Tbe statement referred altogether to Louisiana state affairs. The witness then read the telegram of Lieutenant Governor Young, of Ohio, before published, denying responsibility on the part of himself or Governor Hayes for a bitter article in the Ohio State Journal against the south, and also read the telegram of Bishop Wilmer stating that the peace of Louisiana would not be disturbed. The following telegram was next read: Washington, Feb. 26, 1S77. To Governor F. T. Ticholls: Confidential.! We have been one week organizing a force to compel guarantya securing your government. Had a conference to-day aud to-night with Sherman, Matthews, Deunison, Garneld and Foster. We assure peace, order, protection of lit w to white aud b'ack. No persecution for past political conduct, no lminunliy for crime. On the other hand, by gradual process such methods as will result In your lull possession, of the government of tire state, by withdrawal of troops non-interference, revocation of military orders. As to the senate. So close are party lines drawn that friends believe if Kellogg and a democrat present credentials on the 4th ot March great damage will result from Kellogg lelng seated. Could we agree au i art of this arrangement to let tbe long term benatorshlp remain vacant now and call an extra session about the 10th of March to elect, and provided thejvote on the admission of the long term senator were deferred until the extra session could elect our leading senators assure us Kellogg's admission can be prevented until the extra session wheu our legislature can elect. This arrangement would not prevent the immediate election of Emit is or a short term senator. There may be favorable action of the president immediately. Uibson is sick. (Signed) E. A. Bukkk, E. John Ellis, Wm. L. Levy. Fl'RTnER DETAILS. The witness stated be visited the bouse of representatives, and Mr. Ellis there stated to him that he had received a letter from Lamaf stating that Matthews, Foster and friends of Hayes had made a statement in regard to what they believed to be Hayes views on the southern question, and what would be bis course towards Packard. He (Ellis) thought it necessiry to go to Columbus, Ohio, with a view to verify the statement tbat had been made. Ellis stated he bad communicated the substance of the statement to Governor Nicholls, and had telegraphed to Hayes asking if be ha 1 been fairly represented by those claiming to be his friends. 'The witness disagreed with Ellij ad telegraphed to Nicholls stating tha' ! ultimate solution of the Louisiana u to the benefit of his (Nicholls') govern. rested more with the powerful leaatr o! the republican party than with Hayes. The witness kntw Hayes policy towards the south would be conciliatory, but told Ellis, Matthews and Foster that be did not belive there was any man living strong enough to carry out such a policy in the face of a united hostile party; that the friends of Nicholls did not need any further guaranty or assurances from Hayes personally, but he did want and must have the guaranty of strong radical leaders of the party; that it was the Shermans, the Garfields, tbe Mortons and men of that class whose assurances they must have that they would allow Hayes to carry out hia peaceful and conciliatory policy towards the southern people. These views the witness bad set forth fully in the conferences with Matthews and others on the 16th, 17th and 18th of February, and he had announced to them that it was their determination, unless they could secure the guarantees of strong rauical leaders of the republican party, that they should make a united and determined effort to defeat the electoral count. They had bad RADICAL BCLER3 LONG ENOl'GH. The witness went on to say tbat he stated to Matthews and Governor Dennison, of Ohio, in the hall of the house of representatives substantially as follows: We are absolutely determined to protect and defend our state government, and while we feel that there Is no disloyalty In It so far ns the general government was concerned, that our course exhibited previously had been misunderstood. We had constantly sought to avoid a clashing with federal authority, yet we were determined to defend our government as 8galnst the federal government or anybody elsa who might sustain Packard. Therefore, with ns an attempt to inaugurate the Packard government was bound to plunge Louisiana Into anarchy, and if strife hIiou Id come we preferred to make a national issue. In which our national friend would be involved as well as ourselves. Matthews and Governor Dennison then ask el the witness whether be had any objection to an interview with Sherman, Uq

said certainly not, and they walked to the finance committee room of the senate, where they fonnd Sherman, who said he regretted the condition of affairs in Louisiana and South Carolina. He was very much alarmed about tbem, and wanted to know what could be done to remove the difficulty. The witness said to Sherman that tbe way to remove the ca&se was for the friends of Hayes to go to President Grant and say to him that the removal of troops from Louisiana would not embarrass Mr. Hayes' success, but rather assist his inauguration. Mr. Sherman replied: Major Burke, there is no use talking about Grant He is surrounded by such influences that we can't hope to accomplish anything through him. The witness replied that he bad just left Grant, and read a dispatch, in which Grant said that be was satisfied that the Nicholls government was the government tbat should stand, and that this opinion and sentiment were clearly against the U6c of troop, and that there would be no interference with the Nicholls government That he had not acted because he simply did not want to embarrass his successor. The witnesi further stated to these gentlemen tbat if they were sincere they should go to President Grant and say to him that it would not embarrass hia successor, and tbat tbe withdrawal of troops from Louisiana would cause a cessation of opposition to' the determination of the count in the house. They agreed to go to Grant on the following morning and make these representation?. Governor Dennison, Matthews and Sherman then said that while they were not authorized to speak for Hayes, yet they believed the sentiments in tbe Grant dispatch, mentioned above, expressed the views of Gpvernor Hayes. Sherman's apprehensions seemed to be with reference to toe treatment of the colored people, to the abandonment of tbe republicans of the state, and to tbe policy of the state government towards republicans, in ca.se the Nicholls government should come into power. THE WOBMLET CONFERENCE. Tbe conversation next turned on the question of two United States senators from Louisiana. The witness suggested that the Nicholls government would not elect its long term senator at the regular session of the legislature, but would wait until tbe cabinet would be confirmed, and then call an extra session of tbe legislature for that purpose. The witness then suggested a conference of gentlemen who felt that they represented the views of Mr. Hayes with those representing Louisiana, so that there should be no misunderstanding, and on this suggestion the conference at Wormley's hotel Was held tbe next night, tbe 20th of February. There were present at this conference Messrs. Matthews, Garfield, Foster, Sherman, George Carter, Levy, Ellis and the witness, and as there was no Ierson actively representing South Carolina they invited Mr. Watterson, of Kentucky, to be present in the interest of the latter state.' The conference was held in Mr.Evarts'. room, but that gentleman was not present. The condition of affairs in Louisiana was thoroughly discussed. The Louisiana representatives read a statement of the policy of tbe Nichollsj government Upon the other hand, most positive assurances were given by Messrs. Matthews, Sherman, Garfield and Foster, neigber one ot whom however stated that they were authorized by Hayes to speak, but spoke from their knowledge of his views, from their rast associations and from the fact that they were conversant with is intentions concerning the couth. They assumed to guarantee tbat the feeling indicated in dispatch authorized by Grant would be carried out by Hayes. A number of dispatches were here read heretofore publisfred in reference to guarantees of the protection of law for both white and blacks in Louisiana, and the understanding that co senator would be elected for tbe long term until the extra session, and tben the following was read: A True Copy. Washington, D. C, Februarys?, 1S78. Wm. M. Levy and K. A. Burke: In an interview with the president this morning, in course of conversation on the subject of Liouiaian a affairs, he seated to me that, as soon as the presidential count was finished and the result officially declared, it was his intention to notify General Augur that the military orders issued for the purpose of preserving the status quo of the political situation would b9 rescinded, except so far as simply to require the use of troops when necessary for the preservation of the public peace. He autliorlzed me to communicate this Utxlb on to Mr. Ellis of the Louisiana delegation. (Signed) Stanley Matthews. .Washington, March 1, 1877. To Governor Nicholls: We have the authorized statement of the president concerning military orders in writing, and confirmed by the president, to four different parties. We have guarantees of Sherman, Den ulson, Matthews and Foster, representing the views of tiovernor Hayen confirming the matters submitted to the caucus, with the action of the caucus committee, to writing, copies exchanged and satisfactory written surances from Hayes that be is correctly represented by his mends here, Foster and Matthews, from whom we have written guarantees. (Signed) E. A. Bcrek, E.J. Ellis, Wx. M. Levy. New Orleans, La., March 1, 1877. To E. A. Burke, Washington, D. C: Fully understood. No election of senators until the loth. (Signed) F. T. Nicholls. Confidential. Washington, D. C, March 3, 1877. To F. T. Nicholls, New Orleans: General Sherman, In a conversation, said: "Tell Nicholls for me to go slow,'" explaining that Hayes would have great difficulties to overcome, but that your matters appeared to be working in the right direction. General Sherman said that Augur would not Interfere with the execution of the process of the courts. (Signed) E. A. Burke. Confidential. Washington, March 4, 1S77. To Governor Nicholls, New Orleans: We have had an Interview with President Hayes. He assures us his policy will ns conciliatory, and requests that the opportunity be allowed him to remove the difficulty and prepare the way. He seems anxious and earnest in the proper direction. (Signed) R. L.iiiisoN, E. A. BCKKE. a talk wim nEwrrr. The witn-:ss here recited an interview tbat transpired retweeri Mr. Hewitt and himself immediately after tbe democratic caucus, in which the democratic party had agreed tbat tbe count should go on to a peaceable termination, he said, without dilatory obobjection. I called upon Mr. Hewitt at his bouse. I think it was the morning following the action of the caucus. I tben asked Hewitt to explain to me why it was that the national democratic partr bad abandoned Louisiana. He said "Mr. Burke.certalnly there is no occasion for a change of tbat kind. There has been no disposition, no desire of tbat kind." I replied at once,"Itistoo late to discuss that question, since the action of your caucus last night It was well known that it was the desire of the representatives of Louisiana tbat the house should insist upon tbe condition that Louisiana and South Carolina were to go free from bayonet rule. We pointed out to the gentlemen of the house that our situation was this, that if we were left to the tender mercies of the republican party of Louisiana we would be forced to either trade or fight. That if we traded the democratic party would lose two United States senators and if we were Compelled to fight in defense of our state government there was danger of plunging the country into a revolution, but notwithstanding tbat fact they had adopted a resolution that the count should proceed without dilitory objection. Mr. Hewitt replied to me, "Mr. Burke, the democratic party can not afford to take the responsibility of plunging this country into anarchy and strife, of upsetting values and disturbing trade. We have determined to put the responsibility of this great fraud fairly and squarely upon tae shoulders of the republican party, and go before tbe

people, four years hence." I said: "Mr. Hewitt that is all very well for you. You may endure it four years, but we can not and it is my duty to say to you, and voa may sav to your associates, that if they think they can have peace and quiet in this country with Louisiana and South Carolina under carpet-bag rule they have made a mistake. We are as loyal as you or any other class of peo1 e, but we bave endured radical rule as ong as we can, and we are determined to protect our government at all hazzards against the United States troops or anybody who Beeks to set np Mr. Packard over us, and now I insist tbat yon will go to your associates and say to tbem that with the came consistency tbat they voted for the electoral bill to preserve the country from anarchy and strife, with tbat same consistency they can make tbe condition that if bayonets are taken away from Louisiana and South Carolina, else the conditions of ansreby and strife, that they would avoid, will surely follow." Mr. Hewitt assured me of the sympathy of his associates and himself lor tbe people of Louisiana and South Carolina, and while he intimated tbat bis potition on tbe electoral bill had been such tbat be could not take a position in the house in accordance with my views, he would make these representations to bis associates and they would do what they could do in the interest of Louisiana and South Carolina, and when I stated to Sherman what I believed to be the controlling views of the representatives I should have stated tbat what I meant was that we bad impressed these same views upon tbe members of the house. We had gone to one, two, three and half a dozen at a time and made these statements, and they bad produced telegrams and letters from their constituents instructing them not to oppose the count They said they did not dare defeat the count and did not dare take the responsibility. That they were willing and anxious to serve Louisiana, and if we thought they could do so by going in and forcing tbe republican leaders to give these guarantees hey were willing to serve ns ty doing so. That is what I meant in my dispatches to Governor Nicholls. Many of these representatives were acting at our solicitation, and were impressed with a belief tbat if bayonet rule was not withdrawn from Louisiana and South Carolina it would produce anarchy and strife. Of course there were gentlemen acting from other motives who had been opposing the count from tbe commencement. The movement dated from the 16th of February, when there were 40 to 42 filibusters, and we sought to swell their ranks with a view of forcing the radical leaders to give these guarantees. We did so swell the ranks, until the vote was at one time 116, which was sufficient to deter tbe count from further proceedings. It was at that period Mr. Sherman sent for me, and at that period these conferences were held. Mr. Blackburn Tben the expression of belief you gave Mr. Sherman simply meant that by giving these guarantees you were satisfied a sufficient number would be drawn off from the strength of the dilatory party in tbe bouse as would enable the count to be completed? The Witness--I was satisfied there was a sufficient number of members of tbe house .who were under instructions from their constituents not to oppose the count, but who bad gone in to oppose tbe count with tbe view of securing these guarantees, and who, . s soon as they were satisfied that that purpose was served, would cease their opposition and tallow the count to go through to a peaceful determination, and events subsequently proved that to bs true. ELLIS TESTIMONY. The Hon. E. John Ellis testified regarding the Wo rmley conference, and stated emphatically that there was no bargain that the ceasing to filibuster was not insistsd upon by the republicans who were at the conference. Mr. Watterson has always steadily opposed filibustering. There was not the semblance of a bargain at that conference The object of the republicans seemed to be to remove tbe anxiety in regard to tbe course Hayes would pursue towards South Carolina and Louisiana. The witness at some lencth referred to numerous interviews with Grant, who promised to issue an order for the withdrawal of the troops as soon as the electoral count was completed. When asked whether tbe payment of taxes to the Nicholls government would be construed into a violation of the status quo inaugurated by Grant the latter perpetrated the only joke witness ever beard from him, by relating the story of tbe Irishman who had joined the temperance society, but did not object to a drop being put into his soda water unbeknown to himself. The committee then took a recess, to meet subject to tbe call of the chairman. The members of the committee and attaches left this evening. At the conclusion of Major Burkes statement today Governor Cox gave notice that the cross-examination would be made hereafter. POLITICAL, AFFAIRS.

The Ohio Nationals The State Convention Yesterday. Columbus, O., July 23. The state national convention organized this afternoon by electing Robert Shilling, of Cleveland, chairman, and Hugo Preyer, of Canton, secretary. General S. F. Carey was made chairman of the committee on resolutions, and reported tbe following platform: 1. We Indorse arid reaffirm the declaration of principles of the national party adopted at Toledo, February 22, 1877. 2. Want of harmony of rentiment on the financial question In both republican and democratic parties renders. It absolutely necessary that-those who demand financial reform should abandon the old organizations and unite together In tbe national greenback labor party to save business men irom bankruptcy, working classes from starvation, the whole country from revolution and the nation from repudiation. 3. We denounce as crimes against the people the law making the greenback only a partial legal tender, the act creating the national banking scheme, fie act changing currency bonds lntocoin bonds, the act exempting bonds from taxation, the act repealing the income tax, the act demon tlzlng liver, the act for Issuing interest bearing bonds for the purchase of silver bullion to be converted into subsidiary coin, the act for the forced resumption of specie payments, the act for the indefinite Increase of tbe national bank circulation and theenormous contraction of the volume of the circulating medium. We recognize the financial legislation of the government from the commencement of the civil war as the arbitrary dictation of a syndicate of bankers aud usurers, with the tingle and settled purpose of robbing the many to enrich the few. 4. To remedy and counteract the evils complained of we demand that the government shall issue a full legal tender paper money, adequate In volume, for the employment of labor, the distribution of its products, the requirements of business and for the payment of all interest-bearing bonds as fast as redeemable, tbe withdrawal and cancellation of all bank notes designed to circulate as currency, the non-exemption from taxation of all frlvate property, the passage of n graduated ncome tax, the unlimited coinage of gold and sliver and the repeal of the specie resumption act, all legalized monopolies abolished and their establishment In the future abolished. 5. We recognize the mutual dependence of capital and labor and deprecate all attempts to antagonize them. Combinations of capital to rob and strikes of labor to resist robbery are destructive of the true Interests of both. We denounce alike tie communism which demands an equal division of property and the Infamous financial legislation which takes all from the many to enrich the few. Wedemand cheap capital and well paid labor in the place of dear capital and cheap labor. 6. To secure the rights and to protect the interests of employer and employed, bureaus of statistics blieuld he established, and competent persons appointed to inquire into and report the condition and wages of the working classes, in all deartinenL of Industry, that wise and judicious and equitable laws may be enacted in regard to the. hours, of labor and

the employment of minors In manufacturing establishments. 7. Public lands should be sacredly set apart for the homesteads of actual settlers, and such, legislation should be had as will encourage and aid tha homeless in securing homes. 8. The contract tystemof employing Inmates of our prisons works great injustice to mechanics aud manufacturers, and ahould bo abolished. if. The importation of senile libor from other countries should be prohibited under the severest penalties, while the emigration of the liberty loving from other lands should bo encouraged. 10. We deprecate and denounce all seditious and violent measures and appeal only tt the good sense, love of justice aud patriotism, of the people, and Invoke tbem to redress their cruel and outrageous wrongs only through the ballot box. 11. We demand proper sanitary safeguards and regulations for woikshops, mines and laetories. li. We favor the enactment of laws giving mechanics aud laoorvnt a first Hen on all descriptions of their work for their full wages. 13. VVe are opposed to an v further issue of Interest-bearlog bonds of the United tstates for any purpose whatever. The following state ticket was nominated: For secretary of state, Andrew Roy, of Jackson county: jndge of the supreme court, Chilton A. White, of Brown county; member board of the public works, J. fc. Fallis, Lucas county.

The New York Nationals. 8yracc8e, July 23. The nationals met in state convention to-day, but before a tempo rary organization was completed a recess was taken. Upon reassembling several addresses were made, then the committee on credentials reported that they would not be able to report until Wednesday morning. The convention adjourned until 10 a. m. Wedneeday, The convention reassembled this evening, the committee on credentials having concluded their labors. The cenvention was called to order at 9 p. m. The chair announced tbat the first businec s before the convention was the report of the committee on credentials. J. F. Crawford, of the committee, presented a report that, inasmuch as New York had three contesting delegations, George Blair, Cornelius O'Keilly and Walter H. Shupe should each be entitled to 21 votes in the convention. After a scene of great confusion, the majority report of the committee on credentials was adopted, with the exception of that part of which referred to the case of New York and Kings. The motion to exclude all delegates from the city and county of New York was adopted. It was moved that delegations from the various congressional districts report the name of one delegate from a congressional district to compose a committee on permanent organization. The motion was adopted, and the convention took a recess in order that delegates might select such committee. The committees on organization and resolutions were appointed. J. C. Daily was choEcn permanent president, and the convention adjourned until to-morrow. One the adoption of the resolution by the convention to exclude all delegates from tbe city and county of New York, the Shupe and Pomeroy -Hanlon faction left the opera house and organized another convention in the parlors of the Syracuse house, about 75 delegates being present Shupe has issued the following manifesto in relation to the convention: At a convention held at tbe Syracuse house, in the city of Syracuse, July 23, ls7tf, in comllance with a call issued by P. 11. Grady, Imore K. Sharpe and Marcus 11 anion, the convention was called to order by Walter II. Shupe, chairman of the state national greenback party of the state of New York. It appearing evident that a majority of delegates were present by a call of the convention Henry Nicholls and Dr. Creighton were appointed temporary sec re ar lea. A committee of live were appointed on credentials. A recess was then taken until 9 a. m. Wednesday. Tbe Texas Democrats A Compromise Candidate. Galvestox, July 23. The News' Austin special says the joint committee appointed by the Hubbard and Divine wings of the democratic state convention, after a session lasting several hours, agreed to withdraw all candidates heretofore balloted for and present the name of Chief Justice 0. M. Roberts to the convention. This was done, and Judge Roberts was at once nominated for governor by acclamation. He has telegraphed his acceptance. Joseph D. Savers, of Bastrop county, was tben nominated for lieutenant governor, and George McCormack, of Colorado county, for attorney general. The convention is still in session. iiraat mt Ilambnra. New York Star. A Hamburg correspondent writing under date of July G, says General Grant arrived there July 2. In a conversation the general gave his views about the American war and its generals. Among other things he said if be bad known tbe ioldiers and generals of the Potomac army better he would have preferred to invest Lee in Richmond from Lynchburg or tbe land side, as he invested Pemberton in Vicksbarg. He sayi his totaT loss in the Wilderness campaign amounted to only 39,000. He says General Butler wishes he bad had abler subordinates, and expresses regret that an nalucky phrase in his official reports should have annoyed Butler. He thinks Jefferson Davis did all be could for the confederacy and did not deserve tbe harsh criticism he got. He thinks Stonewall Jackson might not have proved eo effective a general later in the war, and opposed to men like Sherman and Sheridan, when his peculiar tactics would have failed. He seems to think Lee not so great as his reputation, speaking of him, of course, as a Eotdier and not as a man. He was never so uneasy when in front of Lee as some of our other commanders, and he describes bim as a man of slow mind, without imagica ion, and of grave dignity of demeanor. General. Joe Jchnston, in his opinion, was tbe ablest commander on the southern side. Of Brag he appears to have but a poor opinion. He tells a singular story of President Johnson's desire at one time to arrest General Lee and the other southern comman Jen for treason, by way of making rebellion odious. Grant and Seward bad, it seems, the means and good tense to oppose and defeat the folly, and General Grant eaid he would bave resigned his command rather than consent to the arrest, southern men being sacred under their parole to him. Itosecrans, Bnckner, McClellan, Bueil, Stone, and McDowell were, he says, in the opinion of the old army, most promising officers in 18G1. He jtill thinks Buell bad genius for the highest commands and McDowell was a man of great ability, and he can not account for tbe ill luck of poor Stone, which has pursued him more than many other men who knew him as or e of the most highly cultivated officers in the old army and one of its best soldiers. Sherman and Sheridan be praises without ttint and relates an odd story of his first meeting with the latter, when Sheridan, who was then colonel of a regiment, was rude to bim. Sherman, he says, is not only one of the beat men living, but one of tbe greatest we have In our history! and he gives various accounts of bow Sherman's narrative of the war was misrepresented to him, so that he deter mined to read it, pencil in band, and publish a reply; but he found it a true book, an honorable book, just to all, and he approves every word of it Hancock, he thinks, was one of tbe ablest of our generals. He did not want to go to West Point, never liked to. command, and remonstrated againsf the creation of tbe grade of lieutenant general made for him, though he saw the necessity for it later. He dispels some romances of the war, as where he says there was no bat tie of Lookout mountain, no action worthj to be called a battle. He says neither hi Sherman nor Sheridan ever held a councilo' war. He determined on his course in i rl vate, and no one knew what he was about"; j do until orders were written out Finallj he speaks about bis presidential career thinks the second term was almost his due, because he had been bitterly opposed, but relates that he refused peremptorily a third, nomination, which was urged upon Mm,