Indiana State Sentinel, Volume 24, Number 33, Indianapolis, Marion County, 8 April 1875 — Page 7

THE INDIANA STATE SENTINEL, THURSDAY A PHIL 8 1875

think down and 1 answered Mm in monojuii. That in, he did most of tha Ulkin?? A. a. answer, were answers of courtesy to hn vaa ttrndiri; when I was not attend n verirmiieh. o. Io ou remember tne time oi think it was between v anu iu; uui i--Have youanr mode of fixinsthe hour In your iniud? A. onlv by computation of the time" took to walk the various distances, and my memory of the time it occupied, y. 1 J"" of tho Interview? A. es, Mr. lfcsf; in oo-u -t 1. Timlnitlntl Ol Mr. iseecner tir.,,i sä follovs: O. Mr. Beecher.on the 1,1 lAsAUU. . we have Boleover TwTsa to to what baa been ted by other witnesses. Moulton has test in ea .".? iu" ; ; VTi.- n,0hil.'j confession. I this night If ih?t","Hf iVon a 1 did 7- Mnrittnn that Question! I a. No. not. O. No question oi oth-' A gT!,erAwasnothinzsaid to me about t. ii A. mere wa "v ;""-, ,; - nr hv him to Was anything saia lltn ? a. you ixitit auv coDiuBiuu No. sir tion wl Äy .uÄU exprelon" S- this, it Will klU me? A' 1 w? If" QMT wSc b-youm !en! have done It. . . - Tntnn th Moulton, at any panui Moulton that Theodore, or iiiun, had given you permission to goto KU7.ioein and have a conversation on Ihe subject, -v. dd not tl. Onthat subject was anything fald Äouium to yoa.or by yourself to, Moulton on I and there of ex V.'" ." 'v r or did voa pea course between Mrs. Tilton and yourSell. A. No, sir; no, sir. It is such. IATnS0ME,ODI0CS STUFF that I don't talk about If Q. What night, Mr. ji.i orv nrli exDression or tieecner, uiu uu " j make any such observation to Mr. Moulton as this, that this came upon you a. If struck by llghtnlDg? A. I may have my impression, ns that is a phrase I used on the 1st of January, but it may have been on that night. Q. Did you on this sight ask Moulton to be a friend to you? A, No sir. I did not. Q. When next did you see Moulton or Tilton ? A. I did not see Tilton again that I remember tintil the 3d of January, o. And you saw Moulton when? A. On the 3i3t of December, the night foilowipz thli Interview? Q. Where was any interview b-t ween Moulton and yourself on the 31st? A. At my bouse. Q. At what hour, or at what time? A. EarlT ;n the evening. Q. After dinner? A. Oh, no; Id the evening. I dine at Christian hours. lLaunter.) Q. Was it late In the evening? A. Abo&7orWf tart. o. And how dW that oc. ..nw onrf i ri - . iih Lame f "... v onit rnn7. came In. and called for me. 1 went up stairs with W 1 .-irm und fchllt the (lOOr. him, into He then went . .. K.iroa vhom the eas llzht wera burning. and took his position on the left hand side and 1 stood on the other, that is, as we went up to it i,a tMd some introductory remarks, which 1 can not now give, but drew a letter from out his pocket, from ineoaore iuicd, puiiwi uuS iu, In It Tilton stated that alter goinsi home last night, he found that I had taken advantage of mv interview to procure Irom his wife a t..nmi of th charges that had been made against me. That was the substance of It. There was some little more which I don't remember. He then proceeded to say, in substance, that he presumed that this was so. I said I had. He said he thought 1 had acted a very indiscreet part, a dishonorable one: that I had no right to.nake advantage of such a situation to obtain such a retraction, and 1 claimed the right of self derense. He then said that Buch a course was indiscreet, and Inexpedient on my part, no matter what my reasons were, that it tended to Increase thedimculty between Tilton and his wife, and betwten Tilton and me, and that. Instead of leading to peace asd to quiet, it tended exaniy the other way, and that I ought to give np her retraction. I argued with him on that matter, and for some little time there was an interchange backward and forwards of thought: he then drew from his pocket a letter, purporting to ba the one trom Mrs. Tilton. requesting me Evarts Wait one moment, (i'roducing exhibitNo. 1) Of this note that . you are now proceeding to Knenlc of W hieh Mr. .Moulton took out and read, 'did you .have it in your hands? A. I did not. Q. Or heafitread. Look at that paper and see if that Is it, as you remember? A. Yes, 1 think that Is the letter that was read to me. . You did not at that time read it vourcelf, or have it in j our imula? A. No, sir. i. Well, he r.-sd vou that note? A. 1 am quite sure. l. Itead it. If It is a short note. Mr. lieecher read aloud the following: Katlkday Mornixo. My Pear Fkiesd Frank 1 want you to do me the greatest possible favor. My letter which you have and theoue 1 gave Mr. lieecher, a5 his dictation, last evening, ought to be destroyed. FIeane bncg both to rue and I will burn them. Khow this note to Theodore and Mr. lieecher, and thev will se the propriety of this request. Signed. Youis truly, E. li. Tiltox. Q. Well, do yon recognize it? A. I recognize It by one 6inglo word. (J,. Well, he read that to you? A. Yes. sir. Q. Well then, what pro ceeded? A. Well, 1 was perplexed a little at the existence of that letter denying the accusation, (i. The accusation? A. Yes, sir; however, that was a mere transient thought in my mind the main thought was what would tend to peace and reconciliation. l. Oo on witn the conversation. A. There was considerable said, and I said my objection to giving np that retraction was that 1 should be left without defense If 1 should be In any way brought to account on such a charge; and he ald, in substance, that he wou'd stand between me and any sueä accusation said he would defend the documents or he would burn them, or would keep them if 1 wished. Q. if you wished? A. If I wished. After some lurther par:cy, I went to the little drawer and brought the letter out. He had been sweating and he took oh hi overoat, and as he did so 1 SAW THE HILT OF A TISTOL. He took it out and laid it on the bed; after he had the document, he put it in his pocket, tl. Did you have an interview that n'ghtof any considerable duration. A.I have an impression that something that night made it necessary for our Interview to be short, but there was seme lcrther conversation about Thton or some of his afJilrs, but very brief. Q. The ton9 or tenor of this latter conversation was about Tilton's affairs and prospects? A. He spoke of Tilton as a wronged man ; that he was his friend and that he meant to right him. Q. That was the tenor of it? A. That was the tenor of lt. Q. What was said, if any thin?, as to the wrong, or by whom the wrong had been done? A. It was understood to have been from liowen at that time. Of course, the scene of the night before was not banished from my mind, tor my participation in it 1 could not forget. Q. Now, this further letter handing the witness one? A. I don't recollect hearing or seeing this part of it; it's very much like Tilton's letters. I am not sure. He quoted something of this, but I remember no other letter from Mrs. Tilton, xcept the letter! haves:xken of. Q. Now, this 1 elter from Mrs. Tilton that Moulton read, was the letter to Moulton. 1 suppose yon didn't have It in your hands? A. No. Q. Was it after this promise that he would eltner burn the two papers, or. If yon choose, to keep the papers to prevent a renewal of the agitation, that you gave him the retraction? A. It was. q. When Moulton represented to you, as he did. somewhat, that it was an lmpioper and dishonorable thlsg for you to take advantage of your position, to get this paper, what did you say, and as to your visit and you getting the papers? A. 1 don't remember any particular words used, but I know 1 said generally I thought 1 had a pvrfect right to procurea retraction from the source which the charge came. Q. Was anything said by you about Tilton having Invited you to go there? A. No; nobnly at that time would have thought (j. Was ttere anything said thav he Invited you to go and see his wife; was anythlQK said at the Interview; anything said by you at the interview on theiJlsr, about Tliton having invited yoa to go down and see his wife? A. Moulton introduced it, that Tilton sent me down to see his wife, but there was no difference of opinio about 1U If there Is any It is of later origin. A. Was anything said to you of its being dishonorable to seep a paper, whether It was so to get It or not? A. Yea, there was. Jn the course of the conversation, it was somewhat EMPHATIC I 8P0T8, an unwillingness on my part to be convinced acd he trying to show me it would be a mean act to keep a paper procured under such circumstances from a sick woman ; don't remember the grounds on which the pinch was made, but that there was such an imputation and menace. Ofconrse.lt was not bandied Ina very bold way, but done very gentlemanly. Moulton's conduct toward me was always that of a gentleman ; i mean his manners. Q. In this matter of the pistol, did it attract your attention any more than you have said? A. I didn't see the pistol nntllljust saw him take off his coat and lay It on the table. Q. Laying the pistol on the table? A. It wasn't fired off. u.Atter your giving op the pt per before leaving, was anything said by aiouiton as to your couduct about the paper? A. Yes, sir; he complimented me. lie thought

of Howen's conduct toward Tilton. I , 1 1 hw.l-ii nmttv mnMi II tne way

Mrs. Tilton? A. No, sir; no, sir. U- as

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I hod behaved very sensibly. He had no inter- . i ii, rwnt na to neaee and harmony ana

wss much stifled about It. Q. Whs anything said by him a to the effect toward it he and harmony. A. lie Faid no mouu " "tto work öf concillaUon. and addeil very sironely that Tilton was ander the iiuprewlon that I was tn active enemy and that rdj course .., tvir mi th course of sei f-de ease or acarest-lve to any wy, would strengthen that lmuression, and that any ooncillation I mane would h'ip him (Mouitou) to mare TMtou have a more kindly f?' about me. Q. Was anythlna said by Moulton thst ninht about your having procured from Mrs 1 llton what you fcnow to b a lie? A. No, nothing At this Interview this night, was there any ta!k aout your relations or intercourse with Mrs. Tilton? A. No, sir. Q. Was anything Raid at this Interview ahont the love yon bad for airs, luion , ,7" wni tne love yon niwior sirs. Tilton for you? A. Not that 1 recollect, .., . I . mrT onv h n Bill Did you at that Interview say anything abo-t being ON TnE ERIXK OF A MORAL NIAQARA? A. I hope not. Q. Well, .as a matter of fact? A. I did not. Q. No figure like that, or that could be con ounded with that? A. 1 think not; I do not remember any; It was alus'.ness interview turning on the nature of tbatrapfT; thee was pending the Interview a talkabou TlUon's condlt'on, and that was the rt.r.ia u.inff that was embraced In that con versation, il. Did you, in connection with the sta'eraent about a moral Niagara, kay anything about your havinz no power to save yourself, and call upon him to save you? . No, Plr. it. No exprewdon of that kind? A, No, fclr; nihmg thai had that signtflca' ion. In classlngthe conversation, there was Mmthing said bv him of his power to serve both of ns, as he tnougni ne wouiu ue aiueunuic m sense and renwn. In reply to some Fuggestion as that I might have said 1 should be glad of his services. Q, Did you, at this interview, with Moulton, say that you considered your sexual Intercourse with Mrs. Tilton as a natural expression of j our love for her, as If such worJs V-.r Ki? . No? nothing of the kind. That language is simply impossible. Q. Did you say you felt Jastined In It on account of the love you had for her and the love which you knew 8he had for you? A, No, sir; no such thing; the topic did not come Into the conversation. If, Did you, at the cloe of tht conversation, or at any other part of it.eay that your life was ndAd? A. No. sir. o. Sow, Mr. Keecher, did you say on this occasion, of .Mrs. Tilton, or anything like It, that through your love for her you had lallen. If you had fallen at all? A, No. Q, That the expression, the sexual expression of love, wai just as natural In your opinion ; do you remember that as the lanauage which yon had used? A, Did 1 sav tint? Q, Did you say that? A, No, sir. Q, D.d von then, either the tlrst or the second time, say that II you naci iaiien at an juu uu " that way. through love but not through lust. A, No, sir. U, ulr. lieecher, was anything of this kind said to you by Moulton : "Mr. Beccher, 1 don't see how you conld have erred as you have; I don t un. derstaud It; you hive haa criminal connection with Mts.T., and you godown and you get this paper. I don't see how you could perform two such acts." A, What is your question? Q, Whether he said that to yeu? A, No, sir; no, sir. I Vigorously J. MR. MOULTON IS NOT A FOOL : he Is a very sagacious man. Eeach One moment. Witness I didn't mean that; Imeantlt as a form of negative. Fullerton lie has no rightto make any such observation- Evarts Q, Did Moulton use either branch of this observation that 1 have read to you: '-You have had criminal connection with Mrs. T." A, No.elr. I. Now, on that night was there, by Mr. Moulton, any accusttlon, lroputat'on, or insinuation that you had sexual Intercourse with Mrs. Tilton. Beach I object to that question as lealing. and as calling for a Judgment instead of a conversation that cccuned. Evarts I think I have a right to put it. Judge Nei'son 1 think you could improve It BY ADDING A FEW W0KD3. Say, If so, what was Eaid. Evarts If so, what was said? Judge Neilson I think he may answer that. Beach 1 object and except to its admlss'on. The witness A, There was no such insinuation or Imputation, no Implication, and nothing said by him or by me cn that supposition, nor on ihat subject, o. At this time, Mr. lieecher, before you separated was anything said about any future visits oraPDolntiaeat? A. There was an understand ing that I should see him the next day. t, How uia mat rise, oy your request or vy nis suggestion? A, I don I reaiember; 1 only know that I expected him. Q, Now the next day wss Sunday? A, It was. t, The first d.y of January. How and where did an Interview between yourself atd Moulton occur? A. After dinner; about three o'clock in the afternoon cf the first of January, Moulton came to my house. We repaired together to the study. Alter salutation Moulton introduced tne subject of the effect of the mission of the previous night upon Tilton and his feelings. He said that It had been an eminently wise thing in me to comply Ith the request, and that Tilton had received It very kindly, or words to that effect. Q, Now, will you proceed with the interview as far as you call it to mind? A, Y'es, sir; although I can't give It exactly in the order, I will give it in such order as 1 can remember It, that is in the order in which it assists my memory. I think Moulton made some allus'on after finishing the Immediate subfect of the result of my returning the retraction. 1 think he proceeded to speak about Tilton, and about his exasperated feellng-i, not apologetically, but, nevertheless, courteous, in explanation of bis having In sisted on my surrendering the retraction, and soon he sp?ke of the great trouble that had come on him. (Tilton) by the treachery of Bowen.or by his misconduct, and said that it was not in human nature for man to lose at onca his position and reputation, and his livelihood and not labor under great excitement, and it was perfectly natural that he should extend that to me. If he had reuson to think, as Le had, that he had in some sense assisted it. That gave rise to the conversation In regard to my whole relation from the 26th, when the letter was brought to me by itowen. 1 to d Moulton 1 certainly had been accessory to some part oi tne trouoie, ana mat, a3 rar as in me lay 1 thought II was my duty to re race my steps and apologiz?, or to do any thing that I could to repair the mischief. 1 had time for reflection. He then went on to say that iwwen had dismissed in ton on false acensa tions, or something to that effect; that they were lies, and that he could prove to bo lies many of the charges that weie made. He askel me, 1 think, what Bowen told me in the interview oi the iftiu. i gave him adescilptlon or that interview, and a&it was then quite Iresb, probably more literally and full than I have given It here, but to the same general purport. 1 said that Bowen had brought that letter, and said that he brought it casually asakindnesto Tilton at his request. Then Moulton said, using very frirong language anu expieu ves.tnat lioweu bad proved treacherous: that Bowen was oc cupied with Tilton in the making of that letter, ana mat ne naa promised n anion would send It to me that he would back him np In the charges, and he spoke with emphasis upon that matter. I think that he then asked me what Bowen had charged to me were Tilton's ouenses. l said that bowen had represented to me tnat TILTON'S OPINIONS were becoming so loose that he found It was injuring er was likely to injure the Independent, ani that he had found it necessary to dlspoEsess him of his edl torlal poaltlen and put him In a eubor dlnate position; that up to that time he had never heard a whisper, that is Bowen never had. against me moral cnaracter oi 1 uton. but no sooner was It known that he had re duced Tilton than there came in pressing upon him stories from one and from another. He said he could hardly cross the ferry but somebody came to him and congratulated him upon having put Tilton out of that position, and telling him some reason in the form of a charge against Tilton why he should have done it. I told him be alo said that, as the result of that first step, charges had been made against Tilton of the most shocking character. He Instanced one or two cases, tne Winsted case, and one In the Northwest, and one somewheie else, 1 have forgotten where, but stated as one that was fresh In his mind, and with some particularity of detail an event occurred In his own office of the Union, the Brooklyn Union. I then told him it was a singular coincidence. I told him that there had come to my knowledge within a very brief period charges of a singular character. I related to him the Interview between me and Bessie Turner. 1 related to him the Interview between me and Mrs Tilton and her mother. I went into detail about that. I narrated to him that there were current reports and rumors which now seemed to me to gather force and respect to another person. There was romethlngof a considerable conversation around about that point. Moulton told me that of his own personal knowledge most of thes9 stories were false; that he believed Tilton to bearonn absolutely chaste and faithful to his marital relations, and asseverated that in various forms, and pressed it on me. The conversation occupied in this direction perhaps nearly an hour, going over the relations of Tilton's character and his standing. I told him, how-, ever, that that was not the (matter

lhat hart me most. I felt very acutely that I had done wrong, even in those respects, towards Mr. Tilton. On his assurance that Titton was blameless in these respecU, branht npon me a sense of wrong that was very hard to boar. If there was anythln-r, I told him. In this earth that I abaorred, it wa scandal, and talkins, nd rumors snout pe-ple; that I had kept myself clean from them, and that thue were lew persons In the wor:d dare tell me such things; ani to find that 1 had been causht in the slum myself was very hard for my pride; that I had listened to these stories, and that! had believed that 1 was ashamed and mortified about it, and that it was all the worse becnuse it was towards a friend whom 1 had known and whom 1 had loved, and whose household, was t me LIKE MY OWN HOME, and that it was not the way that Tilton had treated me. When 1 was In adversity he dropped everything and went for the service of me, because it was my ion, which was more than me. He dropped everything and went to Washington, and did a great office of kindness forme, but when he was troubled 1 found that the nrst thing that I had dotie was to take tides against him and add to the weight that was threatening tocruih him, and that I could not bear that, and that as it regarded his household, Illd not know hardly what to say. 1 could not understand It bow Elizabeth should have called roe to a meetlDg to counsel her about a separation without letting me know either before or at that interyjew that there had ever been a dicerep,11 of such kind as there had

been. I couldn't understand. I was absolutely bewildered by It. By that. It seemed to me, that tfKhphnri liw'n led to transfer her aUectlons from her husban 1 bv reason of my presence, 1 could not but feel that I was blame woi t hy.that she was a woman to quiet acd so simple her exterior life, so far from that that I hd never suspected, but that Ids conduct seemed to be now such as led m to ri that there had been: that the allesa tion was not iinirnn that 1 had warred her affec tions, which her husbsnd had made In the interview of the 30th, and it seems to me she must have been broken down in her moral nature, and that such cnarzes and retractions and with drawal of retractions, It was a pitiable thing, and Indicate J that great MISCHIEF HAD BEEN DONE in that household, aud that I had been the occa sion Of It was very plain and very evident thnneh 1 h:kd not suscected It. and that led to some conversation, in which I expressed my doubts of whether this was the first time that 1 had elven vent to all mv thoughts and feelings Ihe otner interviews had been, as it were. diplomatic. but I felt that Moulton wa a friend to both sides and for the first time I gave up to the pent-up teelinzs that I bad. I waiued about tne room in ereat agitation and great self-condemnation 1 ui.tmiiim that I couldn't conceive cf any thine for which a man should blame himself more utterly than to Intrude on a household and to be the means of breaking it up; that my idea of frlendsbin and love was that it gave strength, and that 1 had always supposed that ray presence in their family was giving strengin to ail of them; that it was a blessing to children: that it was a help to his wife in her rinilpu. and that it was not without a ben etlcUl influence to Tlttou in the long run, and im mm iimn me like a thunder clap, and was amazed and bewildered by lt. 1 think it was, perhars. In that relation where 1 was somewhat doubting whether it could possibly be true that Moulton said to me, sitting in his chair, there Beecher put his le over the arm of the chair. In illustration, with an intelligent look why, there U no doubt about that Mr. B. Elizabeth Tilton loves your little finger more than she does Mr Tilton's whole body. 1 accepted it. i had no means of contradiction. 1 said to myself it has been a smouldering fire, burning concealed, and 1 know nothing of it. I felt ashamed to say it is not my fault. 1 felt rather the Immilxe. I sucrose, which every gentleman will understand.to say ,1 ought to have loreseeu, 1 was the oldest msn, the oldest person; I was one that had had experience; she was a child. If she did not know that Ihe tendrils of her affection were creeping upon me, I ought to have known It, and 1 expressed myself without measure on that subject, and I alluded in the conversation to the conflict which 1 had, the sense of the feeling that 1 had always had lor her, as of a saint-like person, and the conflict that tow was in my mind in respect to ner as one that had been broken down, and had brought these false charges against me and taken them back, and wasacting in a manner almost like one lhat was bereft of reason. 1 could not naderstand it. Much conversatioi passed backward and forward touchinir on this, that Tilton 7as ret against me, that he felt that I was lili enemy and that 1 had done him wrong, both in his business relations, and that I had bought to undermine his influence in the community. It was the harder because tha Implication or state ment that I had made use of my acquired repu tation and my position as bead of a great church and my relation to tno communttyana that all these, aside from my more personal taction, had rscne to overshadow and injure him. I protested against any such idea that he bad occasion totninx I naa aone aim wrong in the matters of Bowen. I WAS ASHAMED to be obliged to admit that I had done him Intentional wrong In his family But that I had wronged him there it was very evident, it seemed to me, from the present con dltlonand action of Mrs Tilton. Well, we went over the same ground a good many times. running out a line and going into something ehe, and brlneln us back again, and on the whole Mr. Moulton was far less severe with me than I was with myself, and at times, as It were, deprecated my own strong language ugalnst myself, and said, as the Interview drew toward a tiefe. thai if Tilton would only hear what he had heard, he -was satisfied that 11 would remove from his mind animosity and the convict I do that he had that I was sealing his ruin, eu, x saiu.to mm, state wnat you see and hear, I have never opened my heart to you Said he, write, write these, statements, or some of them, to I llton, and at nrst 1 thought I would, but I was in a whirl, and I could not. 1 said I declined it. Well, said he, let me write It or something to that effect, and I said I have no objection to your writing it, and he sat down at the table. But the conversation did not stop. I amplified and went on, and finally he Bald to me, well 1 will say to him, and the made some remark, looked up and said, I will tell Tilton so and so, as a Eort of interpretation of what I had been saying. 1 said, all right, and he made a memorandum of it. 1 went on Irom point to point and someMmea he would say. "Wnat about so ndso," and! would go on talking profusely and long and he would Jot down a memorandum about It, and that wont throughout the whole memorandum. When he had gone through with it It was about 5o'clock.Tbe bell raDg for my supper. On Hundays 1 take tea at 5 o'clock, in order to have time to prepate my notes for the evening, and the bell rang for 6 o'clock. He rose up from the table and gathered up the papeis. Xbey were on separate sheets, and a sort of afterthought came to him, and he said, sign this; you better sign this. Isatd.no, I can not sign a letter that l have not written. Well, bnt, said he, it won't have the Inference with Tilton that it will If it has your name. But, said 1, this Is your memorandum. You take that and talk on these points to Tdton, and tell him what you have heard me say, and if he believes you, you are his friend. Well, he says it will be a great deal better if you J U6t put your name to this in home we y to let ;nim know that It Is true, and so, on the EDGE OF THE TArER, and remote, as nearly as 1 conld, from the text I signed my name to the statement that I committed this, to Moulton, in confidence, and at that stage I think he gathered the papers up, made some remark of gratification, and went down stairs. It was about the time or gas lighting when he went out, and that ended the Interview. Evarts to plaintiff's counsel Give us exhibit 2. Exhibit a was produced. Q, .Mr. Beecher, during that interview was this memorandum read to you, or read bv you, referlng to exhibit 2? A, Neither. Q. Was any part of it read you or read by you? A, No part of It. It was the last thing that was done. Q. Say If that Is the writing which you put upon the sheet? (Indicating.) A, I think that is, sir. Q, Now this memorandum of Moulton's, when dl you next see It? A. In court here. Q, At this trial? A, Yes, sir. Q, And when did you next see what purported to be a copy of it, In print or In writing, or a partial copy ? A, 1 think perhaps In the Bacon letter in the summer of 187. Q. But the paper Itself, or a full copy of it; the paper you have answered distinctly. When first uid you know of, see, or read, or bear read, any copy of this paper, the parx-r yourself you never saw until this trial? A. No, sir; never. Q. When did you ever first see or know of the fu l text of this paper? A. Not until the summer of lt74 (i. Not until the publications of the last summer? A. No, sir. cj. As a part of some of the proceedir.KS of last summer? A. Yes, sir. Q. inning this conversation of this day, did Moulton lay before you the condition of MISFORTUNE AND DISASTER in which Tilton and his aflairs were placed? A, Y'es, sir. Q, Give, as near as yon can, what he then depicted to yon. A, He spoke of Tilton as being manof great ability and great reputation, standing among the highest In tne land,

and that he had suddenly, y the ill-will or the misconduct of Bowen, teen precipitated from, perhaps, the proudest position a literary man

could aspire to. lhat he had nrtsimnlv lost that place, but lost 11 under circumstances that dam aged his reputation, and that not only had not h means of bis reputation, or rather not onlv had t be means and inftnenoe gone with hin reputation, hut tr.at suddenly, with a large faraiij i.n m uauua, an expensive lamily soue wtdi to that effect his means wera cut off. and he had no crosnect n life except to rebuild. but all accustomed channels were suddenly shnt up to mm. tie men -am thai the man had no home to which he could fall back; that there was discord there, and alienation, and that he had not only then lost all jyubllc position, but bis domestic position was also stormed. H de scribed the fonditlon ot bis family, and of the little children plteousty. O. During this Interview was anvi'tiini? said by Moulton as to your blaralntr ycrelf more than you ought, and anything of that kind? A, Yds, sir, cn several occasioas he thought 1 was putting. H too strorgly, that the matter was not sosevjroas I laid it upon rayself. He thought that Die family relatlnsh'p might with kludiy oare o repaired. Q. .Did he, while you wore stating to him. what you understood to be the lault or misfortune from your contaeotlon with his lamily affairs, say that it was an ytbluat different or otier than wnat you stated it? A, rto, sir; no, sire he did not; it was not a condemnatory interview: It was asympatbetio and most friendly Interview. Between yon nod me, there was nothing in his tone, nothing lu his manner, nor in his aneuaee or charzes. that savored, of that. Evarts llow did h express himself 8 regards any object on the res alt of the Interviews? A, He was laboring to hnoz to pass 6 ach a recon ciliation btweun Tilton and me, auch a better understanding, eacb of tne other, as should avail for the t-eaeeof that family, end the restoration of Tilton to prosperity and a good ti a roe. Q. Did Moulton attempt or ofctr any explanation or .miw lassie xarners story? A, ies. inougn not at as much length as ne aid at a subsequent Interview. That was all. Q, What? A. iwas trying to prevent the faller form lu my mind, but he sßd that it 'was a harmless being misunderstood by the chili; she was. A MERE CHIVD and she didn't und rstand He didn't think if she had been left to herself she would ever have put any such Interpretation upon lt. Q. Did he name anyone else as having Inflamed It? A, He did. Q, Well, who did he say! A, Mrs. Morse. Q, Did you say anything In this Interview with Moulton about your feeling or thinking that you onjht to write to Mr. Bowen? A, I did. Q, What was that? A, I told him that as a result of the conversation that pasted between him and ve on the street that he had been told by me to Mr. Bowen, and on his assur ance of falseness cf them, 1 said that I lelt that I was hound to call them back. At any rate I would not stand on any statements that I had made and that I would do it immediately. The witness I wrote early the next morning. (Beecher here Identified a copy of a letter which he sent Mr. Evarts When Moulton went off, before he went off' with the memorandum which he had made, wai anything said by him about his humlnir or returning. A. Yes. sir O, What was that? A, He said he treated'lt as a mere memorandum to be read; and said af ter he had read It he would rather return it to me or burn lt. Q, Was It, taken from you after thatitatement by him? A, l es, sir. o, i mean taken from the house? A, lie had it In his possession at all times, and made the remark concerning it before he left Q, Before he left and the use of it, with whom ana to wnaiena was it statea to Der -v. it ws to remove from Tilton's mind the impression that I was Indifferent to bis welfare, and that I was inimical to him. Q. And was It to be used otherwise or with anyoody else? Mr. BeachOne moment, Mr. Beecher, I must insist that you state what was said or tue subst9nce of it. Evarts That is right What use .-vbat wasspoken of by him or by you' A, He said he wished to make a memorandum from which he could represent my feelings, as he then peicelved them, to Tilton, for which purpose he wished me to write and I dtcllmd and then he suggested that he would tak a mem orandum of the points wmcn n would expound to him. Q, Duricg 11 interview, Mr. lieecher, was the word crime useu eltner by yourseir or Mr. Moui ton In regard to any c induct of yours? A, No sir. Q, And was there anything said a tuai cpnversatlon either by Moulton or yourself lu regard to any reparation you were ready to nuke than as you have Elated for the wrocg or misfortune as you expressed it. The witness Nothing that I remember. You ask me whether there was anvthicg,yoa sy anything other than what I had already stated, tit Anything said in regard to separation, or wrong, or misfortune in Tilton's affairs, or family that you were ready to make except the wrong and misfortune as j on lud stated it A. 1 do not still understand you quite whether fou mean whether anything to more tban what have stated that 1 would do was stated, or whether I would do something about ttter wrongs than those that are stated. O. Y'es, the latter question? A. :o, sir; there was not. Q. Did Moulton on this Sunday sy to you, or did you say to Moulton on this Bunday, that Elizabeth Tilton had sent for you to come to her house, and told you that she believed that your RELATIONS WERE WRONG, and you told her, or you told Mr. Moulton that you told her: "If yon believe tnese relations wrong, then they shall be terminated," and then, did you then further tell Moulton that you prayed with her; prayed to God with her for help to discontinue your sexual relations? A, Booh! No, sir; I made a statement in respect to my visit with Moulton In respect to that visit of July. I stated to Mou'.ton in regard to an allegation, that it was made by Tilton. That in July preceding a conversa tion between his wife or a written statement somewhat similar to the one made in December had occurred, and that when 1 went to see her in August, during her slcktess, there was n woid or hlut of any euch thing. That it was a letter of degression and mental trouble, and that I talked with her and prayed as I would with any other parishioner, and 1 marveled that if there had been auv such statement that I had got na wind of It or hint of it. , as there any other allusion to an occasion of prayer between you and Tilton than that you have now given? A, 1 don't know but 1 may have stated that 1 prayed with her when I went down to see her at her mother's, but 1 don't remember that 1 did; it is quite possible. (, Was anything said by you or in your hearing by Moulton, on that Sunday, that was of the matters of thii statement that you and she prayed for help to discontinue your sexual relations? A, Very decidedly, there was no 6uch thing whatsoever In manner or shape, by Moul ton or any other human being. Murmurs of appiause.j Adjourned. A DUCHESS IN DIAMONDS. SHE ATTENDS THE QUEEN'S RECEPTION AND SHOWS HER JEWELRY AND GOOD CLOTHES. Writing from London ol European S3 ciety, a correspondent gives the appended gossip: The queen had another drawingroom yesterday, bnt it is not known whether it has been attended with any fatal consequences to the persons who attended. The little Duchess of Edinburg, who seems to have been waiting her opportunity, came out in a b!az9 of diamonds which threw everything else into the shade, and dazzled even the gravest eyes. Her dress Is thus officially described: "Men blue velvet with garniture of the finest Kussiaa sable, satin petticoat trimmed with bands of diarr.onds and large diamond tassels, and trains of velvet;" observe not, diamonds merely, bot "bands ot diamonds" and "large diamond tassels." We must hope that the duchess was consoled by enjoyment of her own splendor and the effect it produced for having to yield . precedence to the Princess Louise, whose husband is only a duke's son, and who has two brotbers-in-law in trade. The Princess Beatrice did no. appear; and it has been remarked as odd that the Duke of Edinburg went to the Prince of Wales's ball without the duchess. The visit ol the Prince of Wales to India, which Is to take place next cold season, has long been contemplated, but obstacles have always come in the way. It 13 to be made a great pageant. There is some talk ot making a new batch of field marshals, ot which the prince will perhaps be one; but I should think this is doubtful, so far as he is concerned. Arizona hens are accustomed to laying ega;s worth $1 a dozen; and the gentle Susan B., Inclining her head a little to one side, and argumentatively flourishing her right arm, exclaims: "See what even hens can do when tifey have their rights!" Brooklyn Argus.

THE TOBACCO TAX.

TUE REVENUE COM MISSIONER; WILL NOT RECEDE. '-THE COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REV EXIT 15 REITEUATLS HIS OPINION AS TO THE DATE OF APFJ.ICATIOX 03 THE LAW IOSJORASCE AS TO THE PENDANCY OF THE TAT. DURING THE LAST HOURS OF CONGRESS XO FAULT OF THS OOMMISSIC-KER. The Sentinel has published the protest o' St. Loui.3 and Loaisville tobacco manufacturers to the rulings of the revenue department as to whsn the new stamp act went into effect. The following Washington telegram to th New Yoak Trfbnna is an answer to-tie St. LouU letter and covers all kindled cases: Washington.. March 26. The omr'aslonw of internal revenue hamade tbefolowlng reply to the protest of. the St. Ln.nl tobacco manufacturers: "I have received yorur letter of the 17th inst., aotifyine ana of me- action taüan Dy me lobajeo manufactnr-1 er of St. Louia,.at a meeting called for the purpose of eettinar an exnrespinn nf tbe trade as to thr lutlco and equity ot the goveanment officials o rc-quirlaa a rerori to ha mad of all tobaoco stamped on the '2d- dav of March, hi order that an that an additional tax cf four csnU ter pound uiay bo assessed and e eeted n such tobasco undc the act approved March 3d inst,, and in accordance with the circular letter of instruction No. 1G, issued from this ofüce to col ctors March 7, lS7ä?.also, protesting against the propos:d assessment, ana asking lor a jecorttrn tion ol the ruling of this stlice on which such as sessments are basei. Without auotintr or eveBiaungai lengintae several reasons adduced in your letter in favor ot a recon sidaratlon of this action in the premises, I tave to observe that tbeae reasons kave all been nrooerlv (jirornicu cere, n&v Deen carelully considertd, and so far as they bear upon the msia point ol issue, viz: Et wLat precise time did the lata act 61 contrnss. en titled, "An act to further protect the slak ing fund and provida lor the exigencies of tne uoveroment," take eflect? The deci sion of this omce and reasons there fo are fully set forth in a letter addressed to the Elon. J, J. Bagley ol Detroit, Mich. under date of March 1G, a copy of wh5ch 1 inclose as an answer to the objection made in your letter mat tne ruling or this omce makes HIB OPERATION OF THE LAW RETROACTIVE by some 15 or 16 hours. That jour manufacturers were not ccgnizant that the 24-cent tax bill had become a law until after busi nes3 hours on the 3J inst. U undoubtedly true. The facts were not known to this office prior to that time. It was kcowa here and it was lu all probability known in St. Louis during all the business ot the 3d lest.. that the said tax bill had passed both houses of congress, and only awaited the eicnztare of the president to become a law. It was known also that the 8 J ot March was the last day of the session and the last day of the X LI lid Congress, and that Raid bill must be signed on that day in order to be come a law. It was known, also, or might have Nn known, what goods would have been affec-'ed by the act, ii approved, because the bill bad been published, aad tb.9 time when it Hbould tska eiToct cistinctlY stated viz., upon its pasa?1, and tLe question as to what should te ruado ne subieet of the ad ditional tax was imruughly discussed aud debated oa motbns Igr amendments in hoth rO'.is.s ft congress. So much , w now n by tLe country at large about this bil'; ai d io tha extent above named the new tax bill has been promulgated, not officially, for it was not the duty of the gov ernment officials to promulgat3 ttcsa facts. But they were promulgated through the telegraph and public pres, tLe usual medium for transporting intelligence of the doings cf cor grcss, and promulgated in such amint er ai.ulo such an extent that the ciLtlcus and prudent man need not have been uii.sled to his itjory. It is tru Ibas SO ISiTi.UCTION Ha D BEEN GIVEN TO COLLI ClORS iv. tti tell s' amps on the 3d of March, for it wes rot ceemed nccsary. Neither was it thought to be within the scope of the commissioner's authority to suspend the sale and delivery of stamps prior to an actual change In the law. The collectors bad not been lnsiructed to notify the manu facturers that they would be b.6ld liable to the additional tax of four cents per pound on tobacco, provided the pending bill became a law, for the reason that it would have been highly improper to attempt to give a construction to a la-v before it had received the signature of the .president, before it was really known whether it would become a law or not. As st?'ed In the Bagley letter, the courts of the cuur-'ry have decided that when a federal law U made to take effect from or on and after its passage, the whole cf that day is Included. And tte same courts have decided that ignorance ot the existence of euch act forms no lpgal excuse for a violation of it, and that the official promulgation of euch a law is not necessary to give it operation. 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