Indiana State Sentinel, Volume 24, Number 33, Indianapolis, Marion County, 8 April 1875 — Page 6

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THE INDIANA STATE SENTINEL THURSDAY. APRIL 8 1875.

THE BIG DAY.

Continued Frona Seeon Faxe. church -previous. I only know he wan, at a very early day. either the superintendent or second superintendent of the Sunday school, and 1 remem bar he used to be In our Friday night prayer meeting, which, were also con versa ion meetlnis or conferences, and he used to take part In them. I looked pon htm ono( the inen wU) wu destined to be very uful. especially In Sabbath school work, that I knew of In mar,- years. Q. Aboet tojwhat time did this cordial or DEVOUT BF.LATI0N TO THE CHURCH continue? A. I think aout tho time TUton foegan to be himself so a publld speaker he found ranch absent and so much called tipon that, he gradually fell off from attending " charch. I should say S nnewht-re about ISO), when he abi cnted himself, but that. In the number of his employmen's, and in the nature! tfcem, It waa not In h!s way to be at church ascoa'tantly hs pprws who lived here all the time Q. "W hen did y flrstfcnowof any tnis'lUeatiou In the cuacei of religious opinion on matters ol faitb, or of church organization or action?. A. Well, I think it was after he and 1 were on the Independent together. Q. lhw often were these matten the subject of conversation and conference A. Not In the way your question im-flles-The general theme of. religious lifi and belef wan it-matter of converse Ion and a greatdeal tbat was more particularly in 11 relations to Fycholgy, the practical development of and ts adaptation to the pesent time in which we live. 1 wsver reratmber to bve had a strictly doctrinal conversation with biro. Q. Prior to the time this letter was written, in 18n7, had yoa become aware of chanses in Lis religious faith. or doubt la bis mind concerniog the substance of Its forinst of faitb? A. I hed. Q. In wbat way did yon become aware if that? A. I found that his wife was distressed on the matter. 1 was called as pastor to conter lojt lt. I exios'ulated with him and so brought it out. I a-credlted ltKlmDlv to (he drift whirh faithful mind take ol ten when Pacini: thrKt;h transitions from t-rd.tlonal b-neis lo personal, aud its own feeling, ami I bliev d that time and ex perience would rectify It. a. It was In that period that thU letter was writle? A. In that period, out the spt-clsl occasion of It, if I don't misremember. 1 state It subject to correction. After assuming the responsibllltyot the Christian Union there appeared one or two articles, ti. In the Independent? A. In the Indepen dent. I should say there appeHrei one or two articles which excited verv (rreat alarm to my personal knowledge and excited distrnst of hint, which 1 thought was to our injury, and was aM Injuring the Independent, and the Independent was always dear to me: and It was brosght borne to me becauRein the Northwest, where my brother, tne Kev. Fdward Beecber, lived, 1 was hUd re sponsible (or his aberrations. Q. For Tl:ton? A. Yes; it led me to have some conversations with him. - I don't recollect them individually; I oniv recollect them as connected partly with the anxiety of his household. snd hardly as con nected with u s success la his conduct oi tne independent, and my general itea was not in the slightest degree to CIRCUMSCRIBE HIS LIBERTY of investigating, but to put him on his guard against accepting; and acting upon unripe con clusions. Q. And it was on that stage of knowl edge on your part of his opinions that this letter was written? A. Yes, sir. EvarU Now, Mr. Beecher, did yon form the acquaintance of Moulton at the time of yonr sitting at Page's. A. I don't know that I can sty exactly that, sir: I had seen him before, but I really did not know who he was until I saw him there. Q. Yes; bow did It come about that yoa fell into his company on that occasion? A. Moulton had already sat to Page for a very excellent likeneis, and Mrs. Til ton had been itting forone also, and several of the family friends, ami Moulton was acquainted with them all. I think Ueorge H. Kobinson and wife were among them, lie came as one of the family then. I think, perhaps, twice or three times we were there together. In gMng oat from the studio we walked down to the Fulton Ferry together, and the conversation was very pleasant to me, and created each time a desire to see him again. Q,. Did 'you meet him there more, than once? A. I remember once, certainly. My impression is that there were several times Q. And did you flad him to b3 an educated, cultivated man? A. Yes, sir, an acute man, of a good c:itical tarn of mind, fond of art. A CONNOISSEUR BATHER THAN AN ARTIST, and passionately fond. apparently, of literature, apt to quote a gocd deal, a worshipper of James Russell Lowell and Shakespeare's sonnets. Q. And yoa found him an agreeable companion? A. Most agreeable. Q. And formed, a respectful opinion of his abilities and culture? A. I did. Q. i.'ow, op to he end of 170 was that the extent and form of yonr acquaintance with Moulton? A. Yes, sir, as I remember. ( Piior f December, 1S70, bad yon in any way formed an acquaintance with Airs. Moulton? A. I knew her as I knew 1,0-A) persons, as seeing her In church and knowing her to belong to that st or neighborhood but without being able to call her by name or more than that ; my memory of names is poor and I ee so many people and so many faces 1 think it probable that one naif of ray charch jwhem I know to be my church members. I tot:an't can by name;; am acquainted with them only to that extent, tj. You recognize them as being members of your congregation, and not beyond that? A, Yes, Bir; I should place them there. Q. That was all yoa knew j?rsawof Mrs. Moulton prior to the time I Inquire about? A. Yes, tir; I think it Is; I do not remember anything else. Mr. Beecber did not remember that he knew Mrs. Morse before Tilton'a marriage, he only knew Mi33 Eichard3 a3 belonging to a set of szirla who went to school with hi3 daughter. Tho age of his daughter he 1 could not give within ten years. All he could remember -was she was born before be went to Indianapolis). The marriage of Tilton he remembered as he did a beautiful picture. He could not say bow soon after that be was brought in their borne. They then lived in Oxford street. After that he visited tLem freqaently, having been gently and kindly urged by Mr. Tilton. In 1860 he began to be very much with Mr. Tilton, In consequence of their joint edborial labors. Tilton spoke imply and admiringly ot his wife, and he thought wbat a blessed provision it was that every man should think that he had pot the woman of all the world. Tilton told him, "There is one little woman down at my bouse who loves you u.um than you are aware of." Mr. Beecher thought it must have been subsequent to 1869 that be became intimately acquainted with Mrs. Tilton. On his return from Europe be presented ber with a Brazilian topaz. lie remembered the circumstance from the fact that she thought they were some pills from ber husband. While they were living at Mrs. Morse's, and betöre they moved into Livingston street, he visited them a great deal. After "Norwood" was written Mrs. Ulton praised it very highly, and n consequence of what she said bo presented her with a picture, Trailing Arluta. He discovered it In Bostrn. Mr. Beecher presented, he supposed, presents to thirty or forty persons after his return from Europe to friends of the family and children whom ho knew. It was his babit those days when he called upon the Tilton'a to do so in the forenoon on the way to or from the postofnee. He had no habits of making calls in the evening half of the time. He did see Tilton when he called at the boose. Early in 1S70 be took Mrs. Tilton out to ride. He had bought a pair of line gray?, and it not being time to take them up to his farm, he called at Tilton'a house one fine morning with a baggy and drove Mrs. Tilton out to the park. Another time he called when Mrs. Tilton declined to go. Tilton urged her, saying, "Why, go, go; get your things," and she did so. In August, 1870, while at Peakskille, be received a little note from Mrs. Tilton. At her request I went to see her she was sick. He came to town mainly to ee ber. He found ber lying in the receiving room of the hokse, pale and despondent; She made a statement that she was very, much depressed in spirits. She ee med to be like one who wanted to talk and could not. She conferred with him. HB PRATED WITH AND CHEERED HER the best way he could. The next day he called again, bat she did not see him, send Ing down a note: "In the future all would bo right." During that summer and prior to Dscember, 1S70, he did not have any further meetings with Mrs. Tilton. The bay fever usually attacked him in October. JNo person was said

to be free from it until the rirtt Irosf; after November set in be always thought that he was himself again. At or about the middle of December, 1870, be saw Mr. Tilton in consequence of a request from her mother. The messenger was Bessie Turner. Mrs. Tilton was then with her mother, and what Bessie Turner said was the first intimation Beecher had of the separation ot Mrs. T.lton from her borne. He went to Mrs. Morse's and found that lady and Mr. Tilton 'together. Q. Now, what was the interview bot ween Mrs. Tliton aud yourself oa that occasion? Kach objected. A long argument ensued as to wlel her the conversation between Beecher and Mrs. Tilton should be admitted as evidence. Beach finally withdrew his objection, and the examination proceeded as follows: EVarts .Now, Mr. Beecher, you were down at the bouse audaw k,. xiorvanH Mr. TUtan. and you were alone

with them, 1 suppose? a. 'ies.slr. Ci.owtso goodlas to state what occurred there? A. She conversation was very Utile with Mrs. Tilton. It was almost entirely on the r art of Mrs. Morsoln Mrs. Tilton'a presence. It consisted in general representations Uine of the great tinhapplnMwof tint family. Q. Of Mrs. Tlitn a family? A. Ot Mr.Tiltoa'sfamlly, of M treatment Of his wife, which she had borne, as her mother thought, with anseile patience until It was no longer tolerable, and that at las. be bad been driven t the resolution of ieaving him, and they wished counsel of me, as respects the propriety of such an act as tht. I made comparatively few reinada. The Interview was not long. 1 said thU Is a cae Id which I feel that a man can't give the best counsel. It Is a case.it seems to me.whtre a woman Is needed, and if yoa will allow me. I h.i! ,h riri to brtnz my wife and let ber hear, for I think much of her Judgment ayout such things. They both seemed nnk'AoxHifKl nlpAsurabl v. Mrs. Morse said "will HHAnnm? I will blest, her if she will come as Inn na i live I said, stirelv she will come If I wish her. and that constitutes abo-at all the first Interview. Beach If yonr Looor pleases I ouirbt to sav that having withdrawn my objections and permitted this conversation to- ba given the tnis nrinclnle of action will leave me to viih.iriwihHnhlMLlon which I raadetoanln torviw botwfvn the witness snd Miss Bessie Turner. I do withdraw that obj eciion and offer to th 3 ooansel the privilege of proving all that was sold at that Interview. Mr. EvartwNow. Mr. Heecher . Mr. Fuller ton-Oae moment. The relation of what took pleoe there ought to be stated with particularity, not lu tienenu tems, that Mrs. Morse made great complaints against Tilton In regard to his family. Beach We will eet at that. EvarU you have a right to cross-examine. On that I have no objection. I wi 1 ask him. To witness Can vou slate more particularly, Mr. Beecher, that conversation A. I don't think I can, sir. I have oulv a general recollection of it. Q. .Now, when did you next see Mrs. Tilton. In connection with this subject, and with whom and what occurred ihere? A. I think it was next day, sir, with my wiio I visited them. Q. You communicated to yonr wife what had happened I suppose. A. I did. Q And then you went together? A. We went together. H. And whom did you see? A. Mrs. Morse and Mrs. Tilton. Q. What occurred then? A. 1 am not clear as to the whole; two circumstances that 1 recall a few general remarks, and wbat they were I do not remember. Mrs. Tilton went up stairs with my wife and they bad an interview by themselves. Mrs. Morse staylgg wllh me and repeating Q,. Well, no matter. A . Charges, and so on. Then, after, I should think, about a half hoar, Mrs. Tilton came down and Mrs. Morse t. Did Mrs. Beecher come with htr? A. So, sir, Mrs. Morse went np to seo her by herself, leaving her. Q. Went uo to see Mrs. Beecher? Yes, sir, aud myself. I have a recollection of only one single thing, that I said to Mrs. Tilton. . Q When, alone? A. When alone. How is It I said that 1 have been so long with you and you never alluded before to me about distress in your household, aud she said that sue her general answer, I can not give her words was that she sought to conceal it, In hopes that the dilticulty would pass away ; and then I talked to her in respect to HOUSEHOLD RELATIONS. I recollect giving her some counsel as to bear ing and continuing pitlent, let patience have her perfect work, and Joined with her in prayer, and most of the time that I was with her I was praying with her. Q. On this occasion? A. While my wife and Mrs. Morse, (their interview was not a prolonged one) were up stairs, ti. Well, did yoar wife and Mrs. Morse return to the room where Mrs. T.'was? A. I don't remember about Mrs. Morse. My wife came down stalls, and, after some few general remarks. 1 said in Decau or myseir ana wife. that we should think this over, and In a very short time give them some final word that y-robably we would see thim again. The next day, after consultation with my wife, she was to go down again, ana sae went down while I was in company, t). That i, when yoa had company at your house? A. Yes, Bir, 1 was talalng with several. She had her things on. tine came and asked me told me that she was going down. I could not allude to the subject without betraying lt. I went to my table and wrote a littie scrap, saying: 'I incline lo think thU. your view is right, and that a separation and a settlement of support will be wisest." Kvarts to witness By our view you mean Mrs. Beecher 's viewsT A. J do; did. Adjourned. New York, April 2. The corridors of the Brooklyn court house were crowded from an early hour this morning, but only those hold ing tickets of admission to the great trial were permitted to approach the city court room. These were placed In long lines and allowed to file into conrt until all the seats were occupied when the doors were closed. The number of women was largely in excess of the previous day, and Plymouth Church delegation bad an augmentation, including some of the chief

members of that society. The plaintiff's lawyers were earliest in attendance and with them was a en. Pry or, who has been absent for the past few days. Shortly alter Bcecher's entrance be ascended the stand. Mr. Evaits introduced John Bigelow, late United Btates minister to France, to Judge Nellson, who invited him to a seat on the bkkich, wLtre was already seated the assistant attorney general of the United Btates. The speaker of the House of Kepresentatl ves of Virginia was honored with a seat near Judge Neilson. At ten minutes past 11 the examination of Heecber was resumed. lie first made a correction of yesterday'. testimony, by saying that he was intimate with the families of Dr. Storr and Dr. Conan t,who were not of his congregation . The examination of Beecher was continued fcubstantialiy as follows: I remember Miss Uessie Turner coming to me in December, 1870, but 1 remember only once, though she may have called oftener; it was near the middle of December.! think. I can only give the substance of wbat passed, and she called about the middle of the orenoon, and said she was told to veil me to go down and se9 Mrs Tilton at her mother's house, as she had left her husband's house never to return, on account of 111 treatment. She said, I 'hink, that she was cognizant of his violence: that he had struck her once or twice, and that he bad sought her company in her bed, and told her that such expressions of love were a3 natural as kissing and caressing. I have not heard from any other Fource of this relation between Tilton and Misi Turner. I Joined Hanover Street Church in Boston in l?J.s, and was then about fifteen years old, and from that time onward I have continued my connection with the same denomination, and maintained active connection with my church as communicant. I have always maintained relations with Congregational and Presbyterian churches. 1 never got any Instruction in religion, as the atmospbere in my house Is full of it, and is as pure as crystal. 1 remember Paul's death; I think it was in August, iStiS. I waa suffering from ague and came down and saw Mr. and Mrs. Tilton at the time of Kalph's birth. I do not recollect any particular visits or making any gifts of flowers during the summtr. I used to bring little baskets of flowers from my farm and distribute them right and left. In winter I used sometimes to buy them and distrloute them, (i. Now, something has been said In the evl dence of a visit yoa made to that household while the wet nurse ot that new born child was there, Mrs. Carey; do yoa remember any visit that you made at that time? A. I do not. Q. Did any scene occur between you and Mrs. Tilton in which SHE SAT ON TOUR KKEK orinyourlsp? A. No, sir. Q. Did Mrs. Tilton, on any such visit at that period, address you as dear lather? A. No, sir. Q. Or father, dear? A. No; I don't recollect; bit I have answered. Q. In what form of address did Mrs. Tilton on these visits accost you? A. Mr. Beecher, or my friend. t. Was there any other form of address between you on her part? A. Not that I recollect, only "sir," Mr. Beecher or ordinarily in discussing or talking she frequently would turn and say "Well, my friend," and go on with 1U i. Do yoa remember any occasion of an interview between "yourself and Mrs. Tilton at which her brother, Mr. Joseph Richards, intervened In any way? A. Do you mean, hindered us? Q. Nor come upon you la any way that you noticed or re 1

membered? A. No, sir; I don't remember. at anytime heu he was present at any visit of mine there. 4i- Now, sir. it has been said that you have been seen on the stoop of the house In Livinzston street between 7 and 8 o'clock In the morning by Mr. Frazler, passing by in the street: have yoa any recollection of such occurrence? A. No, sir; I have no recollection of a visit 1 made when Mr. Frazler was passing by. lie looked at n.e and I have no doubt he saw me. (J,. There was nothing In it to fasten it upon yournaind? A. It might have been, but nothing that 1 remember. H. Daring the period that Tilton resided in the house, 74 Livingston street, and up to the year 1S7D, with what degree of frequency are you able to statu that you made any visits, either-from Invitation or ordinary calls, at the housa? A. Do I understand that you limit your inquiry from 167 to 1S7U? i. I think from ls'tX:, they went Into the house tn the fall of l)wi3, aud during their residence at 1.S7J Llvlngsloa street, doxata the autumn of 1STU. until you went into the country in the summer of iS&J? A. I suull say, SPEAKING! OP AVERAGES, Isaw them from once in ten days to once in three weeks. That la the average during that time? A if I were in town my visits were not more than thirteen times a year, according to the be t computations I can make of them, and that leaves oat my summer vacations, toy lecturings aud so on. Q. Now, during these visits, what was the manner of them, and what were the subjects of conversation 4n general? A. These are two questions In ne, Well, take two and aus wer them bott A. 1 must ask you to explain what you mean by the manner. Q. I mean the manner of you and Mrs.11 It on during the visits, and what were the topics of conversation? A. Well, the manner was very much such as is ray manner in my own house, and with my own family; it was very simple without the slightest formality. They kept an open hospitable house ana left all thir friends the utmt st personal freedom; there was great propriety with as little conventionality as I ever saw Lu a family, and therefure I felt perfectly free to go in and out as 1 choose. Q. How wan It with regard to the presence of children, and their participation in your visits A. They were

ALMOST ALWAYS PRESENT, at any rate 1 flt as if I had lost a visit if they were not present, (i. Were your visits in part devoted to Ihem? A. to inconsiderable part of my viiLts, and sometimes altogether. Now. as to the subjects of conversation? A. As various as the interests of the cnurch, and the phrases of Bethel expe rience and of the movements of reformatory measures of the time in which we were all engaged, or books, of literature, and above all ot Theodore Tliton. I Laughter.) Q. Now, was the surject regarding her husband's religious opinions, on particular points or in feneral, a matter of conversation between Mre, ilton and yourself ? A. It was, to my aurprls-e. lie ach One moment, sir; we object to It. Evaits 1 don't care for the details of the conversations; 1 don't care to reproduce it. Judge Neilson You can state the substance. The witnessI was only about saying, in explanation of my wrrd surprise, that Mrs. Tliton' habitually speaking of her husband was so eulogistic and so . fod, that I felt she was but the shadow that he pissed. Beach That ' is inadmissab!e. Kvarts Yes. Witness When, therefore, she declared to me a verv serious difference between her and him, I was surprised. Q,. On religious opinions? A. On religious eubiects I found her firmly grounded. Mr. Beach I don't think this is admlssable. Evans 'ihe matter has been gone into and I wish to shosr by this witness how far he participated in there SCRUPLES OF MRS. TILTON. It has been shown abundantly by Tilton himself in regard to his departure from the orthodox faith on the subjsct of the divinity of Christ. You remember that Tilton was brought into this when Judge Neilson: He was In it largely on your examination, but still this witness can ttate the general features of that fact. Kvarts Now what passed between Mrs. Tliton and yourself in any of these interviews? A. I can't tell you the details. I can only say that she consulted me as to berduty toward her children, on account of the great deflection ol her husband from these views which are called orthodox, and her mind was seriously troubled as to her duty, and I attempted to enlighten ber. She asked me whether 1 thought It was right for her to bting up her children under the inlluence of a parent who had given up thedlvinity of Christ, and seemed tobe losing faith In the Bible, and I said that I thought that, on that ground, there ought to be no difficulty; that I believed time and growth and the gu dance of Uod would bring things light. A. Döring this time, can yon fix, Mr. Beecher, the time of these consultations? A. I can't fix them with very great deflnlteuess, I think they were in that particular year of l.s-i7. o. During this long acquaintance with Mrs. Tilton dido ou come to have as. yon suni - INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF HER character, her temperament and her Intelli gence. A. I think I did. Q. Now, what estimate did you form concerning her mental and moral character? A. At first I thought she was a woman of great simplicity and purity and of fair Intelligence. As I became better acquainted with her. I admired her domestic Halts, and after some considerable acquaintance I found out thero was a deep and unusual religious nature developing itself so dlflerentiy from tnaiwnicn we see ordinarily that it struck me very much. Q. In what re gard did it so strike you, wbat rorm or development? A. Well it was, I don't know as I can tell rou exactly, unless by using the usual form as perceive some religious characters develop themselves in ethical strength and consciousness In all duties. Home persons develop themselves In their religious nature, more largely in social enthusiasms and gener ositles, scius persons develop themselves in veneration and awe. Now, in her case, it was so very unusual for me to ree a person whose religious character developed itself in the two forms of ecstatic devotion and sanclty and peac9 and trust In Uod ; a'.so in the form of social sympathy and excitement. Q. Was Mrs. Tilton, UDder your observation, generally engaged in beneflclent work? A. Incessantly. 4- And were you aware of it all the while that It was going on? A. Yes, sir; I never made a visit that she was not talking to me about some case she had in hand, some poor man or some family, or tomething of the eiassof married women of which she then he'd the superlntendency In the Bethel, for, at some periods of time, she ras In that connection. Q. During the period of your acquaintance, did any ALIENATION OF AFFECTION from her husband disclose Itself toyou? A. The contrary, the very contrary; it was a matter of mere gentle ridicule of excessive addiction : tie husband was then, of all others, she seemed J V love to talk about. O,. Now, during this acquaintance of your's did you at all become aware ia any way, from Mrs. Tllton's manner or conversation wllh you, that her feelings or anections were especially attracted toward you? A. "Yes, sir; I think they were. Q,. in what form and degree? A. As her pastor and her friend. i. D1J you oDserve or not ice or surmise that she had any other renliment toward you than affectloa or regard for yourself that you have thus decided. A, Never: not the slightest, IVery emphatically. Q. Now, Mr. Beecher, during this acquaintance did you form sentiments of regard, esteem and affection for Mrs. Til on? A. Life long sentiments of affec tion and regard for ber. Q. In what regard dk; i tun affection rorm ltseir in your mina and reelings. A. I don't understand you. Q,. In wbat character or form of affection that yoa have Indicated, that you have described, did you have toward her? A. I had the utmost and respect for her as affectioa a Christian and a mother and a wife surrounded by a lovely family. I felt proud of her confidence and affection. Q. Ha4 you any sentiments of affection, of love, toward her as a woman, otherwise than in this connection? A. No, sir. Q,. Now. the two dates or the ltth and 17th of October, 1868, Mr. Beecher, which have been especially referred to, are yon able to say whether you were In the city ot Brooklyn on both of three days? A. On one of them I am pretty sure I must have been, namely, on the 10th. O. What occurred on the Ith, that you remember as fixing any date? A. The Friday night prayer meeting and the meeting in the Academy of Music, to which I went after that. Do you remember seeing Mrs. Tliton at that meeting at the Academy? A. I think it was at that meeting, that is my best recollection that I saw her after the meeting. Q. And DID ANYTHING OCCUR BETWEEN TOU then that fixes itself at all on your memory? A. At that meeting she spoke to me about being present at either a dinner or reception that was given to the Kev. Mailey Punsheon, the English Methodist clergyman, who was then living in the country? Q. Living in this or visiting this country? A. I think be had beem living here for some time? ti. What

was the snegesllon as to taking part in It or at

tending it? A. it wai the expression of the statement tbat there was to be such an affair. and she wanted to know if I had been invl ted and hoped that 1 would go if I was. Q. He was known to yoa, was he? A. I never met htm except to shake hands with him after a public p-eachlng, I think It was In my own church tbat he flopped and shook bands with rae, bat beside that I had ver met htm : I much desired to do so. O. The 10th aud 17th of Cctober are known to have been Mature ays; of course, the loth was; we have now fixed It oa the natnrday after your iriday lec tare : now, as to your beleg in town on tue i7in A. lhaieno recollection about it : I presume was ti You were at that season, that month still Hvlnz la the country? A. les; ray iamuy wai there tun, ana i spent, usu ally, a portion, at any rate, of the week at PeekFkill, coming down ou Friday afternoon to inv Friday night conference meet ing, and usually Q. And remained over the f-aioatn? a. Only in tne verv busy seasons did 1 go back again S'aturJay. O,. And then you returned again. If you went? A. Yes. if I did but thore M as seldom a busv season in the fall Q So th it so far as yoa have any recollection of meAadays, tne lOtu and 17in,you were In Brooklyn? A. it Is probable 1 was, sir. Q, Now. what is theoidlnary mode in which you spent your Saturdays? A. Well, it is my day ior ramming in Is ew York, usually or making excursions to tue park, or greenhouses or some hing of that kind. I al way a make it the vacation day of t b a week. Q. auu toat perle or recreation, mat day oi racrea lion, now wa it usually peni by tout a. am said, In New York book stores, print shops, ALL CP AND DOWN THE STREET, In matters of curiosity ; If rot that, then very frequently at the park or Flushing, or at some' where where there were greenhouses. Q. Was Baturday a day In which you made these usual or ordinary calls among your circle of friends here, or was it otherwise. A. Well, as a general thing not Q,. ow. sir. have yoa any recoi leci ion oi seeing Mrs. Milton at j-our own house or at ber house, on either of these days A. I don't remember lt. Q Did anything occur oeiween you ana ner on euncr or uio;e da es or during part or those, weeks that lias im pressed Itself on ycur mind at all? V. Nolhlcg i. i'unng your entire acquaintance with Mrs. Tilton, up to this moment, in December 170, ha l there ever been any undue personal lauiiuaruy oeiween your euaua ner7 A. never, t. Had you at any time solicited improper iavors irom ner as a woman 7 a. jxever. ti jiaa yoa reeeivea improper lavors ironi ner. A it was a tning impossible from her: never Loud applause. Judge Neilson This must not occur again. Mr. 1 toners, you will see to this that If yoa find any gentleman disturbing the peace of the house you will have-your men re move him, no matter who he is. Kvarts (J Did you ever, during this period, have carnal intercourse or SEXUAL CONNECTION WITH MRS. TILTON? A. No, sir. Q. Did you remember on or about Christmas dav, or the day celebrated as Christ mas day, on the 25th of December, a call from Mr. liowen, and ibe presentation of a letter to yon? A. lao. Evarts Where's exhibit No. it Mr. Morili produced a letter, and Kvarts handed it to Beecher. It is as follows: Erooklyn, Dec. 20, 187). To Henry Ward Beecher: Sir I demand that for reasons which yoa explicitly understand, you immediately cease from the ministry or Plymouth Church, and that yoa quit the city of Brooklyn as a resi dence, fbiguedl Thkolokk Tilton o. Did you receive that letter. Mr. Beecher? A. I received such letter. 1 can not say that this Is the very one. i received a tetter in iiiion s nanawriting Q. This is all in Mr. Tllton's writing? A. Yes, nr. I don't know whether this Is a copy or net. tj. mis 13 unaersioouto Deine original 7 A. If tnls is the original, I received it. 1 re ceived a letter of this purport. Beach No. this is a cops'. Kvarts Well, It will answer; this is me one tnat Mrs. m Ion has spoken of reading from the minutes.) Fuilojton Q,. In your evidence yes terday you spoke of a letter of D cember26. 1570, written by linon to air. t.eecner, wmcn uowen carried. Look at that paper 1 now show yoa (exhibiting a letter), and say whether it Is the letter to whicn yoa men reierreuT a les, s r, Fullerton1 propose to read it. (He reads and then continues) it is luarked exhibit No. 4. I thick the Indorsement on the back of It Is by Moulton (shows tbat); it is the original letter. Kvarts l remember giving Til ton the envelope (and showing it had been sealed.) Q. Now, Mr. Beecher, showing mm a letterj, wneu ana Dy wnora was tnis letter Drougui w your a. uy nenry ;, Bowen. o. wnere were you? A. At ray prts ent resldeuce on Brooklyn Heights. O. Plea-e state wbat Bowen said In handing you the letter? A. He said he had a letter for me from Tilton, he was not aware of its contents, but as he was coming nome or coming mat way ne had offered to bring ;t to me tor I ilton. O . I d he 6lt while you opened It? A. He did. . You opened it and read it? A. I did. Q. hat did you say to Bowen on reading lit A. I said substantially, this Is sheer insanity, THE MAN IS CRAZY. (J. What did Bowen say to that? A. He said he did not kcow what it was, and on that I handed it to him. He took it and read it. Q. He read it? A. I have no doubt he did. Q. Well, then, what passed between you? A. I made come expression, but lean not recall even the substance of It, except one expression of a sort of Indignant surprise that Tilton Ehould write me such a letter, and liowen reu in at once with me, aud we commenced talking about Tilton, and not unfavorably, but it gave rise to a conversation in which he said lie had, as I was aware, dismissed Tilton from theeditorshlpof the Independent.hehad become only a contributor to itbis paper; that when he made ud his mina toaotnai it was on account of business reasons: that Tllton's ideas were not acceptable, and that the paper was suffering in consequence of it, or was liable to suffer, I don't remember which; that, however, as soon as he had reduced him to a subordinate position on the paper that man after man, multitudes, came In with stories affecting Tllton's moral character, like clouds,and he was amazed; that he never was so astonished in his life, and in making inquiry of one and another, they seemed to come thicker He gave me an account, or lather made a reference, to the case of a woman and Tilton at Winsted. He gavefco particulars, and there was another in the Northwest. I have forgotten if lie mentioned the place, but he said that in his own office, and in reference to a lady that was employed by him, when the contract was settled aud she went into the office, she bad informed b im that Tilton turned the key and said, now, thisopportunity has come that I have long wanted, and Instantly made advances toward her of an Improper nature. I was aetonUhed, as you well might think, but not so much so as I would have been if I had not seen and heard testimony and told him so. He wanted to know what th-t was. I then related to k im what Bessie Turner told me. 1 also said there was another lady about whose name In connection with him rumor had been busy, and some other incidental conversation took place. I said to Bowen, I wish you wou d talk with my wife, she knows more abont things of this matter and mre matters about this thing than I do. I alluded to interviews he had with Mrs. Tliton and he expressd some r: pugnance, thinking my wife would not like to talk, with him ; can't say whether there was an interview, although I have a strong irr predion ttat be went into the parlor and stayed some tr.oments talking to her. Baling the course of thi conversation Mr. Boweu said that he had made up his mind tbat Tilton could not stay on the Independent in any relat'on, and ha was in grave doubt whether he could have liim on the Brooklyn Union; I said to Bowen that the Independent was dear to me. no matter what had come and gone batween us; It was a paper with which l is tun my life nere in urooaiyn, ana i felt warmly toward it, and it was my Judgment tbat a man that was TAINTED AS TILTON WAS could not properly be retained on such a paper as that without doing It damage. In resrect to the Brooklyn Union, I did not say anything about that, as it was a political paper, only I thought Tliton an impracticable man. He was not apt to agree wllh parties, except so far as he led them, and that I thought as a lealer of the republican organ In Brooklyn he would be found tobe a man that would get his pa per into trouble, Ö. Did you mention to Bowen at the time anything regarding Mrs. Tllton's separation or application with reference to separUion from her husband? A. That was the point on which 1 relerred him to my wife. Q. Now. sir, did anything more occur at that interview that you can bring to mind? A. Nothing, except that Bowen grew more and more friendly In view or this attack, or rather this warning to send me out of town. 1 waa not ready to go then and expressed myself so to him, aud he said that he would stand by me as a friend? tj. Do you remember what time of day this was? A. Yea, sir, it was Just before dark, I should say. Q. Ou the 2th? A, Yes, sir, not far from 5 o'clock. Q. Did Bowen, in presenting yoa the letter, say whel her or not he had come from Tilton? A. I will not say that he said that, bat that was the Impression produced upon me by it, that he had a conversation with Tilton, and that the letter had been given him by Tilton with the request that he would take It to me. iL Between this interview terminating thus and the night of the 30th of December, Mr. Beecher, lld you either have or seek any interview with Bowen? A. Noir. U. Did you have or seek any Interview with 111 ton?

A. No sir. Q. Did you see or in sny way hear from Mrs. Tilton? A. Nolr. Q. Now, sir, on the auth cf December, what occurred, and bow was the matter begun and by whom? A. isot far from seven o'clock in the evening Moulton called at my honse,and was shown Into the front parlor. I went In and greeted him In the ordinary way. He said that Tiltoa wa at his house and desired an interview with me Immediately. I said to him that It was prater-meeting: night; that It would not be convenient for me to go down that night. He replied that It was a mat

ter of so much Importance that he thought noinu ao wen 10 put some one else In my place i uc uiu.nuu hhu uim. i senior called upva, i uua i, anow wnicn, ueo. A. Bell, an eiiiwiiumuuiion. a uiu ne live near vou A. Close by; yes. sir. I went down to his house ana wnen I reached the corner of Clinton and Montague Hreeis, or that neighborhood, I said to him, what is the ubjeel on which Tilton wisnts io see rner lie said, ne wi.l inform yo himself, and I went to his house. Q. Did auy lumg eise pass between you and him nniil you reacnea aiou.ion s house T A. Yes sir, there was some conversation passed between us. but It has left no important jnipieflsiua; me going aown nas left nolm portant lmpjessEion on my mind. Q Was there any otner conversation on either side on th subject of the interview Tilton nought V impression is that there was some al usion nnd'e to imon saimcultles that was remarked upon but I can't recollect any detal'ed conversation -i- v nen, Derore Mr. Mcultou saw yoa in you parlor lhat evening, had he ever been ic you nouse to yi.ur knowledge? A. I had an impression that he had called ?n -me with the 1st of January callers. h- oi otnerwise than lhat? A. No, sir. Q xx-'iureyouenierrd his houe that night, had you ever been in his bouse? A. No, sir. O,. Now, what occurred? A. When be enteied the bouse uejocsea tne aoor ana raid: Tliton Is In the room above the r arlor. In the front room. 1 said to him, wishing for a witness, believing we were going to have a business discussion : 1 would iuer you wouiucome Mith me, Mr. Moulton He said I would rather voa went imim, i went upstairs, knocked at the door, aud opened ine aoor. niton was standing at one of the iruni winuows, looking on Cllnion street, and near a bureau on the far side of the curtain. He met me in a most stately manner and aked me to sit down, which I did. He drew out Irom his pocket a little paper Just about that shape witness showed a piece cf paper about seven inches u leugui ana mree in wldlhl, only a little oar rower, and. sitting down. aid: I have re uue&ieu, on nave summoned you to this inter irw uu luaiiersoi lniDortance. 1 tnnrw,uvnii received rrom me, by Bjwen, a letter demanding RfSIONAlION AND DEPARTURE rrom Brooklyn? A. Yes. sir; I have received it. I wish now to recall that letter, an.d I wish you m . ... mj consider it as unwritten. It was a grand tning to write that letter. It would have been a grander tblDg if I had not (sensation). He then began Q. Did you resjond to this noUc3 to you oi tne recall of the letter? A, Of course, with a now, motlonicg. Q. Wtll? A. He then began Jo allude to Bowen, the bearer of that euer, ana uowena treatment of fcim uui going into it many considers be detail bu characterizing lias very base and very treach t:ruun. ne men CDargea me with having an an aersianaing with liowen In tbe-e matters and farthering ihem. I am not u;Jng his language ül"""ii m ouusianceoi me tnings urged upon me by him, that I had accented injurious uuu. ana mat i naa reported tbem again. that I hod umv-ih sums mm ana much more to mat purpor. wnicn I cai not recall In detail 1 UllOK. at miS DO nL I waa rll&rvruuwt to uja&e some explanation, when he warned me to be silent, and I was silent. He t hpn nmMHnH 1 . ' - f. w. .v . .-y. OHO I K n I V. .1 . . . . , . ... V"' j iua,iuwi uuiumj lujureu ninnnnis dusi uess relations and In his refutation a.ul rro pects, but that 1 had also insinuated mvself Into his family, and that under the roinpof friAsnip i naa wrought him WORSE MISCHIEF there. He said that I had, In a 6ense, superseded him, and had taken his plac3, so that in matters of religious doctrine and In matters of bringing up of his children, and of his household, that his wife looked to me rather than to him, that I had caused her to transfer her affections from him to me in an Inordinate measure, that in cunrequeuce oi uiuerences wnien naa sprung up by reason of my conduct his family had well nigh teen destroyed, tbat i had suffered my wile and his mother-in-law to conspire for the separation of the family, that I had corrupted Klizabeth, teacblne her to lie to deceive him to hide under fair appearances her meuusuip, iu me, anu mat i naa made her to be, what 1 had ; that he had married her, one of the simplest and purest of women, and she had. uuuenuj luiiueuce, uecome acoeiiiui ana untrustworthy. He said that I had tied the knot in tne sanctuary oi uoa ny which they were to be bound together In an Imperishable life: had also reached out my hand to untie that knot ana io icose them one from the other, and then went on to say that not only naa l done this. but that I nau mauts overtures to ner or an improper character, and again. I expressed some surprise, probably by my attitude I don't recollect that 1 spoke, but he drew from his pocket a strip of paper auuut na.e mat ti lusiraiiL'g), ana read to me wnat purport ea to oe a statement of his wife to him tnat Mr. üeecher had solicited her to be. come his wife to all intents and purposes which were signinea Dy mat term, aoout that substantially; he said tbat she had made a statement to him In July before or he Inordinate affection forme, or her exl&ting affection that phrase was not Inordinate but tbat he bad from the love be bore her, and from a general feeling of doubt or hesitation l don t remember exactly the term-that he bad suffered that lo go on without meddling with it, but that recently she had renewed to him not only that statement but bad also given htm In writing, the state ment which he had Just read, and that he bad for shame and pride's sake burned up the original snd that now he would tear np the only copy that was In existence, so that there should never be aline of eitber against the reputation of his wife, and with that he took the fragments in his hand and stepped to the side of the room and then threw It down n that way. (Mr. Beecher had torn the slln f paper in his baud as he $ poke and threw them violently on the floor as ne utterea the last sentence) and now, said he, turning tcwarJ me, I wish you to verify these charges by going down and seeing Klizabeth yourself: she is waiting for you at my house. I said that last blow staggered me. 1 said to him, Mr. Tilton, THIS IS A DREAM, she never could have made in writing a state ment so untrue. Bald he, it is but a few blocks eff, go down to her yourself. I turned and went out of the room and walked down stairs, meet ing Moulton at the foot of the stairs. He said tome: Are you going do"rd to see Mrs. Tilton? Iam, I said. I will go with you, said he, and he put 1 think he had his overcoat already on, at any rate my impression is he had and he went to the door to let me out and It was locked. He felt In his pocket for the key but it was not there, and he turned and went bark to the clothes stand in the hall and took t from the drawer In the table or somewhere here, saying with a sort ot sotto voce, we didn't want to be interrupted durir.g the interview. He unlocked the coor and we went out nd went on our way. ti. And on the way down did anything pass between you? A. Yes sir. Q. What was lhat? A. I can t recall it, sir. 1 remember speaklcg soincthlDg of the storm that was Just breaking on the sky and clearing away the winter snow storm. There were other conversations, or he said many things, but I was not In a state of mlna to register just men the conversation that did not re ate to what had passed. Q. Now, when you reached the door, wbat passed between you and Moulton in regard to his going in or not going In ? A.I don't know that there was anything said about us going In or not going in, but be asked me. "Will you call on your way back, or will you call at my house," and I said I would. Q. You told him you would, and you then A. 1 rang. i. Yoa rang the bell; wbat happened then? A. The door was opened by a womea, whom I supposed, by her dress and appearance, to be their housekeeper; I knew they had one. O. Was she a lady whom you personally knew? A. 1 don't know: I think not. O. Well, sir? A. Hhe told me to go up stairs to Mrs. Tllton's rooms. ti. Did you coumunicaie to ner any purpose or make any Inquiry about seeing Mrs. Tliton? A. I did not; I had no occasion to; she told me to go right up stairs, (i. Can you give any general description of this ."ady who opened the door, so we may be able to Identify her in any way? A. I can not. I only recollect that she seemed tobe a nice.tidy looking woman, witn a kina or autnoriiy in ner iace and manner, and well diessed. Q. It wasn't Mrs. Mitchell, the nurse? A. o, sir. Q. Now, what dia she say toyou? A. She said either to to her room, or else in her room to that enec' I went right np ana me to go up, right up Mrs. 1 ilton was up stairs, sometning O. And you went up? A. knockea. u. was the door onened? A. The door was ODened. O. Fiom within? A. I be. lleve so, sir; I will not be positive. O. Well, what occurred then? how aid you go in 7 a. There are FRONT ROOMS IN TlLTON'S HOUSE, one of which Is a sitting room and a receiving room, and communicating with each other by

folding doors which usually stood open. Mrs? Tilton was in one where the bed was placed and which was near to the stairs. Q. When the door was opened were you left alone by the person who opened the door? A I was. I went in from the door of the hall and came therefore almost immediately to the' bed instead of going an und through the other room. tj. You came through the door that went mme5,,?lelX in lhe Toom wh?r t"e bed was? A. I did. Q. Were the folding doors closed ?.1 i.1 Um,? A- 0 ,,r th'7 were open. Q. They were thnopen? A. Yes, sir; I think, they were open. Q. Did they remain open? V. Ihey remnlned open.l think at the time. Q U as any person other than yourself and Mrs. Illion In either of the loom, to vonr k novei during the time of your iuterview with her? A. .No, there was not. ti. Inscribe the scene aa you saw it as yoa entered the room? a. The 1. .,WH! dressed in pure white, Mrs. Tilton was dressed in pure white, and her face was as white as the bed, lyiDg idle, above a level, reclined on pillows, and her hands in this roi m on her breast. Mr. Beecher folded bis bands across his breast in a very natural manner. 1 drew a chair, or there wasa chair by the bedside, and I sal down In it. o dih f

yoa in any way before jou spoke? A. Not at L Jlcr , Tea were c.od. q. Did you wuemer sue was asleep A. She was as one dead, ard yet she was living', f eat down by ber and sa d to her- Beach and t ullerton-One moment, tir. A consultation, here look place between the plaintiff 'a counsel. .if. T. " obJec, RlMo a aon vernation between th s witness and Mrs. Tliton. Jndga Nellson-l think we will have to take it. We he ve in evidence that the witness received from Mis. Tilton that evening a letter. Tbat fact has been proved very clearly though indirectly as a part of that conversation. I think we will have to take the conversation as part ?,f i. act of . receiving the letter. Beach noted au exception. Kvarts Mr. Beecher. proceed now; yoa drew the chair to the bedside and Fat down? A. 1 said to her, Klizabeth, I have Just seen your husband, and have had a long interview. He has beeu maling many statements tome, and charges, and he has sent me to you in respect to some of them for you to verify them. 1 thea said, he has charged me with alienating yonr affections from hiin; he ha charged me that! have corrupted your simplicity and your truthfulness; he has alsD charged me with ATTEMPnNO IMPROPRIETIES. It is a hard thing f jt a man lo speak to a woman whom he reveres of such things, and I could not express myself very clearly. (Here Beecher exhibited deep emotion, his voice faltered acd tears filled his eyes.) Are these things so, Elizabeth? She gave the faintest quiver, and tears trickled down her checks.but made no answers. 1 said to her, ho says that you have charged me with making Improper advances. Have you slated all these things and made this charge, and she opened her eyes and said: My friend, I could not help if. Cou d not help it? Elizbelb, why cou.'d not you help it? ou know these things are not true. Oh, Mr. Beecher, says she: I was wearied; I have been wearied with tits importunity, or something to that effect. He made me think that if I would con:es love to you it would leave him to confess to me his alienated affections, or something to lhat efiect Bat I said this charge cfatteoap lngimproper things.vou know, that it is not true. Yes. bat what can 1 do? Do! You can take it back aerain. she heiitfd i or not: did not understand her hesitation. I said: Can't you take It back? It is not true, fche said something about if she could do it without injury to her husband, which I did not understand. I said: But you ought to give me a written retraction to that written confe. slon, and she sali 6he was will ing lo do it If I wou d not RA it against her hnsband. I said give me pen and paper and she pointed to a secretary in the next room. 1 knew It and brought pen ink. and paper to her. She raised herself nn and wrote the first part of the retraction and she signed It. Mr. Kvarts One moment, (banding a paper to the witness.l look at that nnner and see if it is the one that was then written. A. This seems to be the one and 1 suppose it tobe. Q. How far did she write? A. bhall I rend it? Kvarts Y'es. sir. (Witness read as follows): 'December 26. 1S70. wearied with Imnortunity and weakened by sickness I gave mm a letter Inculpating my fiieud. Uenrv Ward Beecher, under the assurance that that would remove all difficulties between me and my husband; that letter I now revoke. I was persuadea to It, almost forced when 1 was In a weakened state of mind. I regret It and recall all its statements. Signed, E. R. Tilton. Q. During tbat writing did you in any man ner . dictate or suggest any of the language used? A. No, sir; I suggested that she ought In the beginning; 1 suggested she ought to make a re-cU of those charges they had covered. Jshe read it over. O.. To herself or aloud? A. No, sir: to herself, and then held out the pen for come more Ink. 1 had It In my band, and added this: "I desire to sav explic itly, Mr. Reecher has never offered any improper solicitations, but has always treated me' in a manner becoming a Christian aud a gentleman," and tblsshe signed with her whole name. Elizabeth it. into a. ti. Did you, la any manner, suggest or request that additional writi-.g? A. I did not; it washer own free will. Q. Did you, in any manner, dictate, or indicate in any form. the expres sion or substance of it? A. I did not. Q,. Did you, daring this conversation, say anything to Mrs. Tilton as to the form or manner In which Injury might come to you from that charge? A. I did. Q. What 'was that? A. When sbespoke as obJectir.g that it would make difficulty betweeu her and her husband, 1 said to her that there should be uo difficulty of that kind co far as 1 was concerned, and I desired this in no sense as an offensive thing, but that some rumor of this matter might come to mischief makers, might get into the church, and there might in heluture be a call upon me. and 1 wished some thing in my possession in any 6uch emergency as would be a defense or the substance of that. Q. Did yoa say an; thing to her In itgardtOinury toherseu ana umuy thit the prevalence or knowledge of tucb. relations as Ehe had charge J would occasion? A. I did; I said to her that it was not an injury lo me alone . that she bad done; that no woman could make such a statement withrut injuring herself, and it would be an injury Dotn to nersei i ana ner cniiaren snouia it oe brought tut and believed. Q. When Mrs. Tilton was speaking to you of views presented to her by ber hnsband, which Induced her to yield and lve mm tnis paper or accusation against you, id you or she say anything more or further in regard to any comparison between him self and herself that Tilton had made? A. From your question 1 don't recall anything. Q. Have j on stated, as far as yoa recollect, what she said in regard to the reasons or suggestiouj of her husband which had produced that written document ? A. She did something more ; I can not state all. Q. And the substance is as you have given? A. The substance is as I have given it. How long was this interview, Mr. Beecher? Time pnsses very last when people are under gieat excitement, it seems to me alxut ten hours. it was probably abont half an hour. Q. And this paper, after it was completed, in what form did you receive from Mrs. intonr was it in an envelope, or was it simply as it is? A. I think It was Justin this form. I don't re member anything about that, I only remember putting it in my pocket, ti. Ana aa you take eave of her? A. 1 did. There was some little conversation first. I spoke I am, afraid, with severity sometime In the conversation preceding, and when I went away I FELT VERY SORROWFUL, was sorry that I had bad said so, and I said to her that I hoped my visit would be for peace, that it would not be the means of throwing her back In -ber sickness, and some other kind expressions Q. And did she reply to that? A. I don't know, sir. Q. And you left the room and the house? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did anything pasj between you and any one else after you went out? A. No, sir. Q. Did you go back to Moulton's? A. I went rigth back to Moul ton's: it was only half a dozen stepj out of my way borne. Q. Wbat happened then? A. l rang tne neu, went in ana satoown. He came into the parlor. Nothing was Raid of anv conseauence. I think Moulton assed me it I had seen Mrs. Ill ton, and 1 said yes. O. was Moulton mere wnen you went in. or did Tie come in? A. As I recollect, he was in the parlor. Q. Tilton was not there? A. I don't remember bim; I don t recollect seeing him again. Q. And Moulton asked yon if yoa had seen mis. J ilton t a. j mina ne uia. v. What do you recollect? A. I am not very sure If he asked that, but 1 have an Impression that he asked me. There was only a single syllab'e, as it were. said l thought l would go hooie. ti. Ana 11 ne asked that yoa responded to him? A. res, si , that s ray impression, o. And tnat you would go home; what was then said or done by Moul ton r a. ne rose ana saia ne wouiu see me home again. Q,. Did you suggest 1 hat be should go wllh you? A. 2iO, ELT. ti. Did be attend vou to your bouse? A. lie did. ti. Did anything pass between you and him on the way. A. There was some conversation : I can't repeat it very accurately, for I was not in a mood to think of anything else except the central matters la the figure, but there was some conversation between him and me about I think the letter was mentioned that Tliton gave me. I believe something was 6aid

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