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THE LUXURIES OF LIFE. THE TRIBULATIONS OF THE TOBACCONISTS. The Relative Merita of Cincinnati and Louisville Whisky. The Relation of Revenue Raising to General Governmental A .ffairs. Those Most Interested Oppose Inflating the Currency and. Favor a Return to a Specie Basis of Business. "Whisky and Tobacco Are Assessed to the Amount of Paying Half the Expenses of the General Government. THE LEADING DISTILLERS AND TOBACCO MANUFACTURERS OF THE . NORTHWEST INTKKVIEWED. THE VIKW3 OF "BEritESESTATTVE MEN ENOAQED IN THB MANUFACTURE OP WHISKY ASDTOBAOCOISTERREHACTE,EVASSVILLK, LOUISVILLE AND CINCINNATI, AS SECURED BY A SENTINEL "SPECIAL ON THE SPOT." Some people may be startled by the announcement that half of the revenue raised for the support of the government tinder whose ministration we live and prosper as a people comes from those much abused articles, whisky and tobacco. This vast sum is paid by the manufacturers in monthly payments. It will therefore be readily oo needed, by all fair minded people, that gentlomen engaged in theso two branches of business should ba consulted, and their claims careiully considered in governmental affairs. To give them a hearing before the people of the Northwest, who make law makers, and thus indirectly make the laws under which we live, a Sentinel reporter wan recently detailed to visit representative manUi'actnrf r., and ascertain tueii viev upon the t nVct of the revenue laws upon them in particular and the business interests of the eoiin'T n general; and al-o to gather such othei information as would be of general interest. A tiip of two or three hours brought the reporter TO Ti:r.RE HAUTE, KACK TO FACÜ WITH MR. HULMAN, of Terre Haute, one of the leading distillers of th9 northwest and a ho head of one of the leading grocery establishments of the coun try, that ot Hulman fc Cox, all of Torre Haute. Mr. Hulman received the reporter cordially and in answer to icterrogations, said be was now running his distillery to the exteut of fixteen hundred bushels of grain per day, which yielded on an average fifty-five hundred gallons prr dav. and yet he was not runniug the establishment to its fullest capacity by many hundred. Like all other manufacturer?, be pajs seventy cents per gtllon to the government under the provUiin.B of the internal revenue law, amounting ir jj.bou per ciay each week day In the year. Mr. Hulman is a strict Sabbatarian and don't operate his manufactory on ine sevenia a ay. Reporter How would it effect your business if this oppressive tax was removed Irom whisky, Mr. Hulman It would facilitate our business a great deal and reduce the risk. Now. if a distiller don't make up his full quota he is in danger of incurring tbe payment of a deficiency tax, too, and then he is liable to lose on the investment. A distiller runs a great risk all the time of having a deficiencv occur in some way or other. If the tax were taken ofT it would not only facilitate the manufacture but exports as well. Indeed it would be A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO THE TRADE to take the tax off. Of course as ic is, the : loss in transit, the shiinkage in transit to the" sea board, is charged up against the distiller and is not only a loss to him but to the exoort trade. Alcohol alone is exported. It is gauged here.sent to the seaboard and there inspected and ail shrinkage in transit is charged to the manufacturer. Reporter If repudiation would pay the public debt and remove this tax do vou think the government would be justifial in repudiation r as a manuiacturer would you justify the government in an act ol that character! Mr. Hulman It don't look like it. R. But you are a hard money man and bold that it is for tbe beet interest of the country to return to a specie basis of busi ness not only, but believe that the eovern ment should keep faith with its creditors as an individual is expected to do or be dis honored? Mr. H. Yes. I believe In a RETURN TO SPECIE PAYMENTS at the earliest practicable date. I hardly know ho soon that should be done. It is only a question of time. K. A man engaged in your business, if not strong in principle, is most likely to be in favorof being relieved ot that heavy tax and government espionage, even through the medium of repudiation, is he not? Mr. H. Yes. Dif-tillers could well afford to be in favor of repudiation if it would relieve them of that tax, for they are not now masters of their own house. To be sure it would be nice for us all, but then it weuld not be fair and honest. R- The scruples of principle in your case overbalance all other considerations? Mr. H. Oh, yes; it would not do to repu- i uwki tus urut ui lug uuvemmBüi, I et no body Is really more INTERESTED IN REPUDIATION than tke distiller. R. I presume that there are distillers who -would favor repudiation of the nation's ob ligation if it would afford them relief from odious taxation, regardless of party or principle. Mr. H. I have no doubt of it; especially in tbe South. You will remember that several in New Orleans were detec ted in dejr.uuing me government last Kummer aDd their manuiactorbs wereeiz-d and held by tbe govrnmi.t and not permitted to be reoperated nntil ihm claim wa pai4, and it amounted to several hundred thousand dollars. A larg di-tiKcr in St. Louis was also detected in defrauding the government ; was aiii "juireniopay JargM v for it ,i-."TX,Ye n,1Z''ll ul'ra!ly r xpect that claää ass v uouii-in j i vwr re put J la1 iou Jl (1 U T II I. . n ... F... . .. ir. ji. u.j. ei-: ti vli? vi,th livor ci it; e"recially eW Orleans. Ii. What no vou think of inftVirir.? is in Mr. If hare orne i i lueeventor ji Anion we might ln.0 tifr.e a-aic, and then we "Would have tu go through the tfght times'

Ka'.n. We had better go slow and make o're of it this time. History shows that INFLATION INFLICTS ITS OWN TUNISHMENT.

R. Does not inflation mean repudiation? Mr. H. Yes. They both mean the same. Therefore I say, let us profit by the past tied as a nation meet our obligations as honest mn in our business relations with. each other. R. One more question and then I am through: How do you stand on the senatorial succession? Are you for Mr. Voorhees or for Mr. McDonald? Mr. U. That speaks for itself. What Mr. Voorhees pays are his views are not mine. He goes too" tar. Bidding Mr. Holman good day the reporter retired trom his cozy office, where the interview was held, and sought out General White, cnllectorof internal revenue for the Terre Haute district, and from that genial gentleman learned that tbe amount of tax collected on whisky and tobacco in the district foots up from sixty to seventy-five thousand dollars per mont h. Tbe great bulk of it is paid by Mr. Hulman. Tbe next largest revenue taxpayer is N. Katzenbach, also of Terre Haute, manufacturer of tobacco. The reporter was not able to find him this time, but saw him subsequently and had AN INFORMAL INTERVIEW with him at his eleggant establishment on Miiu street. He said in substance that though the public debt were paid by repudiation or otherwise he did not think the tax would bo taken from tobacco and whisky. They had been heavily taxed as luxuries by governments generally the world over. If the tax were taken off at this time he would lose largely on the stock now in fctoro and on hand, as would all others situated as he, and then they would have to accommodate themselves to the new order of things. A RAISE IN THE REVENUE would appreciate the value of the stock ou hand. He was opposed to repudiation on principle, and did not believe i, beät to inflate the cur-encv; was a Voorheea man on personal grounds. EVANSVILLK. The reporter next repaired to Evansville. Upon arriving there, ho proceelel at once to tbe office of tbe "Bingham Bros," overlooking the Ohio. There he found Mr. J. W. Bingham, who smiilngly said he would give the Sentinel anything in the way of information ko could, though ho didn't know tbat his views were in demand with the public. He said the firm had one distillery in the city, two at Patoka, one at Hazleton and another at St. Louis, all of an aggregate capacity of 2,000 bushels of grain per day, then in operation to the extent of 1,300 btiahels per day. R. Would it effect your business it the tax were taken ofl your product; if bo, how? Mr. B. I don't know that it would eff.-ct us much one way or tbe other. It is a general rule in business that there is more money made on a ten-dollar article than on a ten cent article. If tbe tax were takea off altogether WHISKY WOULD COME DOWN to twenty or twenty-five cents per gallon with a crash, and when it would advance a half cent on the price per gallon, it woffld be equal to an advance now of three or four cent per gallon. I think there is really more money in whisky at seventy cents tax per gallon, than there would be without any tax. It would not be to our advantage to have the tax taken from our product, but then we have redistilling, or refining appartus and rectify our cologne spirits, wbicn is iu rodi uouy oi an manufactured liquor. and in that way we get about all the profit ununm luuimiau, rur mas reason we do not consider tbe tax any disadvantage to us. 'R. What are your views uron tbfmn. ciai question now attracting the attention or me politicians and the people of the country. Mr. B. I am an anM-rennr1iMnniaf ar uo not oeneve in lnnatlne the currency of , ,. . . .. . j "u me country. 1 ao not believe it best. Bat NEVER rtrrUDIATK ANYTHING. R. How do you think your business and the general business of the country would oe etiected by a repudiation of the national debt. Air. is. i hardly have any idea how it would effect our trade. Generally SDeakim? . ininK it would brinor hont B ... - " great smash up. Repudiation of covtm. ment debts means a reoudiation of inHivM. uai oongation. Again, as to Inflation, I think it would be bad policy. This government can certainly pay its interest and let l - .- - - j ukuro generations, those who SHED NO BLOOD, .h.d,h. money topvtt. prMpil 0, the debt. it. uon't you think Inflation is but the first step to repudiation? Air. B. Not necessarily so. I don't think a reasonable inflation of the currency means repudiation, not by any means, though, as I have said before, I hardly think it necessary or expedient. J R. Do you not question, really, whether -..., 6' """"eui, fiuiu repudiate ita obligawjhout a war, which would entail an utjru ueui and much Dloodshed ? Mr. B. If it were disposed to dishonor it rcn ujr m irpuuiaiion oi us plighted faith I know of no tribunal that could fornA n'government to do otherwise, unless forelen COMPEL IT TO COMB TO TIMR at ine point of tbe bayonet. They wonld be instifi,! In thf, . ' , .... w w vvaB V WUU ÜB V lllltll,. I1H XT' nvnn 1 l- A I t .. vvrwaso iu nio luiorests oi ine iiuiucr vi uonus in loreign countries. If an I 1 . . m i t . inaividuai refuses to meet hi wto.f he should be and is forced to do soby the t , uo power, and the same should be true of nations. I think there ..uuussuusoi widows and orphans who I t V1 . r au ,nv8ted in these bonds, and i think it would be an Outncn tn nn perizethem. R What is your political faith? Air. It Tamo ,..-. . I... . . uouiwfm, uub neiiner or us prncuiar interest in politics. .-.iiuui ao you support for tbe Seno irom mis state to succeed Pratt, present Mr. Ii. I am a McDonald man. I KNOW OLD JOB and helped to entertain him when he nm down here to make ns a speech. lie represents my views on finance mere nearly than any other candidate, and that 1 the real question at issue before the raonl of the country. The Interview terminated, the rnmri. was bowed out by Mr. Bingbam,' and wended bis wv totbetohic in.,f,ntn. of R. W. Harper. tlfinan. and. In n lplf

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bad since been engaged stock on band and la selling off his SPECULATING IN LEAF TOBACCO, in which latter occupation he had made $10,000 In that time, and discovered that it paid better than manufacturing. Like Mr. Katzenbach, of Terre Haute, he found it rather ri3ky business thes9 hard times, hiring hands to make an article which was recarded as a luxury and which many were ai?pensicg witn as sucn. Repairing to the revenue office of the Evanaville district, the reporter, through the courtesy of Collector Veachfs assistants. had access to the records, and ascertained therefrom that there the tax on whisky and tobacco amounted in the aggregate to, irom as low as ntty to as high as EIGHTY-FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS per month. Of this amount vastly the greater part is assessed against whisky, of which tbe Bingham Brothers bear the brant of it. The tax on tobacco is paid principally by a large number of small manufacturers, employing from one to two and three hands each. Encouraged by the sensible sent! ments of the gentlemen Interviewed, tbe re porter returned home and proceeded direct to Louiaviiie. LOUISVILLE. SOUR MASH. Arriving at Jeffersonville he buckled on his armor, and passed on to the dark and bloody dueling ground, and re paired to the revenue office in the custom house at once. Ascending a broad flight of winding stairs to the second floor, he en tereu a spacious doorway, and was con fronted by Collector Burbridge GEN. BURBRIDGE who wanted to know his business. Th3 reporter thought he detected the ont of porter thought he detected the scent of blood, arid involuntarily murmured his prayers as be stammerlngly said outright, I I came here in the interest of the Indi anapolis Sentinel to ascertain the aggregate amount of revenue collected in the Louisville district from the manufacturers of whisky anu loo amount oi eacn respeaiiveiy ; al-.o the address of those who have to pay the tax. Hut before ti3 nad an opportunity of explaining lurtner, we general stated briefly mat .uo couiu not mrniso tbe amount Did iy eicu luuiviuuai, uecause it would give tueonoau advantage over the other, and wound up with tho information that he was NOT A DISTILLERY DIRECTORY. Then the reporter got in a word of apology, and finished hU explanation, which seemed satisfactory, and then ho sat down and sub mitted to an interview, THE GKNERAL OROWINQ GENEROUS in information as he proceeded and warmed up to the work in hand. He sai l in sub stance that sour mash whisky was the best, uianuuctured and that no country could compete with Kentucky in its manufacture. Tbe common whisky, like that made at Cin cinnati, W8S for Irishmen and niggers and common consumers generally. The genuine anicie, irom Jeniucfcy, was designed for gentlemen and could be found on draught in tbe leading hotels of New Oneans and elsewhere. The people, the consumers, paid the tax on it all, not the manufacturer. rlhe tax on whisky was Daid in the East Boston and elaowhere, and the West and the South could stand the beavv as sessments on those articles if the Hast could. The manutactsra of tobacco in the citvot ouisviIle in the last five years has increased lour-ioia ana is to-day TBS Li A KU EST TOBACCO PRODUCING DISTRICT in the country, and produced more tobacco oananyther community in the world. Tbe amount of revenue collected on this artinlA tbe month just past foots up over one hun dred and seventy-five thousand dollars, the corresponding month of last year being but eighty-one thousand dollars, being an in crease in one year of ninety-three thousand dollars. Said he, seven-tenths of the whole revenue collection here is from tobacco. ine cuuecuons on uocn articles amount to about two million two hundred thousan.l. Having heard enough tu convince him that Liouisviue was DOING HER DUTY for the snpportof our stylish government, and that the Grant dynasty would not come to poverty from any lack of Louisville to produce the necessaries of life whisky and tobacco for the king and all his courtiers, including Bibcock, the reporter retired and rested from bis labors at the Gait House, where be sampled the blue grass iea Deei or toe land ot Boone and uourDon. men he retraced bis steps down m.i t. a. a. -w- . i . -ft," "iZ' 'StSSi ine cnice 01 NEWOOMB, BUCHANAN A CO.. where he had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Buchanan, whom he soon saw was a man who not only understood his own business but was well posted on financial and governuiouiai waiters generally. The reporter stated his business, and WAA ASS 11 rArl Vitt air. uucnanan tbat it wonld fT.irrt Mm pleasure to iurnlsh anv facts that wnnirt eniigmen me public through the Santlnel. f 4 A. . . . . . W wnat is the amount of revenue mm you are required lo pay per year? Mr. Buchanan About SGOO.OOd iw vr w r . ' , . . - . . uui vuijr umiiuiaciure, DUt duv the pruuuci!) ui um;r uistuiers. R Isn't that a Drettv heavv tax. Mr. B. Yes our product is heavily taxed, m . . . . . Dut u 18 or lne general good. Our business goes on just as smoothly as othly as though there du iax upon it. .- yu not feel that the government SsX'eT n busine8a l Mr. a. We don't feel that -wav ohf tt We don't feel tbat there are anv resti-ioHnn. uiion our Dusiness whatever. R. What views do von nfrin r uuRuciai question 7 r , . .j v vi lug Mr. Ii. I am in favor of a return tn anaMa payment, lust as a Siele man o-ara roll K a , . wj"wvW trmnnal rominnroi a nr. - . ' CONTRACT THE CURRENCY. vu. would te tüe resu t If thn revenue were reduced or removed from vour Mr. B. We Would lrn nn iY,m uauyj, buu iuen ine uusiaess would adjust itself t the new basis of taxation. 1 I . 1 . . i-i'n. KIM juu miüK it wouIJ affect the .ÖV J4 laQ arl,CJO i WUU1J l,je"o ba wore of it drank? uon'fc tninic there would be much cbanse in consumnf ion. Tftha -.t..i ciotuöapcr itioa-i tnink tlisre would h any more cr anv less countrv. " R.-Do you not regard the rsvAnn na. sosinent on your products as somewhat exC9MV(7 Uo Ji Klieve tho government can pa . its h hole expends Irom th3 tax on whh'

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R;"P,3 yu lbink would be equitable? Mr, B. 1 do; and because they are ARTICLES THAT NO MAN NEED USE, articles for which he can not excuse himself for using, especially in excessive quantities. R. Tli3n you do not of the tax from wbiky. favor the taking Mr. B. No. Take it from the necessaries of life, if enything. What is your opinion of repudiation? Mr. B. I repudiate repudlationists in public and private life alike. It. Do you think inflation is a synonlm for repudiation? Mr. B. No; but I think it means ruin to the beet interests of the country. R. If the gold bill were repealed and tne5-20 bonds should be paid in greenbacks what would be the result? Mr B. It would, of course, destroy the credit of the government. Those in lorelgn countries who hold our bonds wonld rush them back here so as to cause greenbacks to depreciate to a degree RUINOUS TO THE COUNTRY. If the currency had been Inflated, as proposed by the last Congress, but failed to provail over the presidential veto, more than that amount of foreign capital would have been withdrawn from the country, and much more would have been withheld that subsequently did come here that would have remaiced there had that measure prevailed. By tbe defeat oftbat iniquitous proposition, our money market was eased more than the amount rf the inflation that had resulted under the provisions of that legislative measure, bad it been consummate ri eagei ly expected by expected bv its ehamni.ma tn V n?LreS9 anu ineircoadjutors in the country J" ? " 8ve the market and tbe iurciSu i-apnai lnurnisnea us, the defeat ot that measure more than doubly compensated the country. Besides we have adherence to the plighted faith of tbe government to show for it. Mr. Buchanan elaborated his well matured thought upon this topic, and then uoouiScaiHu mat me sentinel should cor rect tue mistakes made by TEMPERANCE TALKERS IN INDIANA, wnu ciaim upon tne rostrum that there is more grain used in the production of alco holic liquor than in the baking of bread eic. incre is one and half nor mnf the productions of breed stuff in the United States that goes into alconoi. iou just take the statists in ine report 01 me commissioner. The pro "'"""u vi ojaiis is Bveniy million gallon t uuuu reu minion nnsriAia r gruiu win proauee tbat much whisky The - year, as enown Dy the statis iics, inougn a snort one, amounts to nine nuuorea million bushe s: of th cmin uics iuuuus is turn, ann me einer one lourtn rye, Daney, etc. K. What principle of DOlitics do profess. you Mr. is. I have BELONGED TO NO PARTY einco ine whig organization was aban doned. R. How do you feel over the result the election? j of Mr. 11. weieel that the result will lead to the active recuperation of the South, and ma. vuo ouukupiu giiiiejia general will b0' -"uip pruspwruus as a people, snd ijouisvill la particular. It has a laree aoutnern territory tributary to it, and as tbat advances Louisville will be largely benefitted. We feel hero that the past and present lethargy in trade, since the panic set ju, is uue more or i-iss to the lack or nfi aence inni nas existed at the South Tho of tbe human system when diseased in one w-noie country nas oeen in the condition part. The whole can not be healthv nntil tho uiscuwu p.trt uas ueen neaied. The South improvMig in consequence of thn PlPfttnn wnicn nad wonaerlully restorative effect anu now me country may be considered CONVALESCENT. ine öoutnern states aro In a condi tion to have equitable legislation and may now reasonahly be expected to gu ahead with restored confidence and re uewed energy, and prosDer in Dronortlnn The South has suffered from its issue of iricucnuaun uungnoD.i tue same as wo would suffer tbe countrv over were tman. uaciksurmiy oiuer ooiicrations or ilka hr. si-ten losutu niviioui regara to quantity or quality, issue national promises to pay ad libitum, and all will depreciate to the deora uaiusgiug iuo wuuie issue to UTTER WORTHLE.SSNESS. bat we want Is to go on naturally to a specie Dasls of business, as I said in the be ginning, as a sick man gets well. It will seem stranee for Indlnnonnita pwpie io reaa tne sentiments of a a. . . . . .- SENSIBLE BUCHANAN. iney nave been bo accustomed to the swash of our own statesman ' ouiuBuio oi nucnanan, ine same who invented the Indiana catent nlan for paying tbe national debt with promises. In appearance the Buchanan IntervlewAd resemDies oenator Morton, though he is naie, nearty and a haDDV lookincr man. nnnA oi wnicn our unver is since tbe presidential veto laid him out in his political shroud, last spring. But this is a digression, and tbereprter returns to business in band. lhe next place visited by tbe emis sary extraordinary of the Sentinel, situate on the same street and same sHa of Messrs. Newcomb, Buchanan fe Co., is the firm of T. H. 8HIRLEY & CO. Mr. Shirley, the manager, was encountered and he met his fate resignedly, remarking that he hftd thought of - .v71 T. 1 " pera an article on the subject matter under consideration. Stated, in substance, that his firmbad a hand in ODeratini? anmA seven distilleries. If the tax worn Hmnnul from or reduced on the product WHISKY WOULD BE VERY Vr It Wherever there had Ven temnorarr changes it had been in. hvor of the sellers or holders of the art'riA v.,f seller On ,w bus688 tbe holder or ?a v that i i88ubject h9 Baid emphatithey 84 tbey were C0Qceried, HOPED THE TAU WOULD BE MAINTAINED ic some shape, lu order to keen n the stamp syF'4em. Tbere are thoge Who WOMj tak B,lr9ntq the situat' if ,,- L , , , . . h,"41'10 tbe copper distilled tho a oaouiu, uuuu luo uuuiury Willi flucti re siufT and inflate their own th- atlno exoente ot the stomachs of a innocent consumer. Conmir V ' I I " l".lltwt4 A cl'if uhrt.tU . I... ..1 I .:l f . . U'J ""'Jum U'Jii UJ huia UUU1 It IS IWO or three yearj old, and therefore, he thought iun uisuiier uoui'j uoid id until nt r r consumption. It would b9hard at brst, but then it would be better .in the end for those distillers who do a legitimate business.

When a man pays tbe tax, however, bis capital is tied up and the investment is irksome to him, and be is apt to be too anxious to rcaliro upon it. MEN ARS TEMPTED to buy goods In bond, with the expectation that they will be able to sell atari appreciated price before the tax becomes due. Disappointed in their expectations their stock is forced upon the market to meet the tax, and then they suffer a loss on their investment. While whisky is in bond tbere is always an outside speculative demand in tbe hope and expectation that the government will increase the tax. R. Is there any difference in the distilling business between sister mates or different sections of the country ? Mr. S. Just as DISTINCT AS THE PRY Q00D3 BUSINESS. We have been fighting that thing here for three years and have Just succeeded in getting the insurance men to understand it. The same rules governing the whisky business in Indiana or Ohio should not apply to our business in the Etate of Kentucky. R.-Bj the way of variety, tbat is, to relieve tbe monotony of this fruitful theme, what do you think of the financial affairs of the country, Mr. Shirley? Mr. S. Well, really, I have never thought cnouehupon the subject to tell you much about it. My idea is that money which will circulate from one section of the country to another is all right. I think, though, that the government should PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS lo a certain extent better than at present, especially those who pay the tax npon whisky and tobacco. R. Do you believe in inflating the currency? Mr. S. I can not pay as to that; have not thought much about it, but I believe that there is enough money in the country, if those who have it In hand would loan it to the producer. Much of it is in the hands of parties who will not loan it at all, else loan it at usurous rates of interest. R. Now how do you fel over the result of tbe recent elections? and how do you think it will affect the trade and commerce of the country ? Mr. S Some of my customers were jabilant and sent in orders for ten or twelve barrels and an announcement that they would order forty r.ext time. Right hrre I want to say that temperance can take to itself the blame or the credit which ever it chooses to call it of causing the defeat of radicalism in Indiana and Ohio, if not other states. Their extreme measures aroused republicans who were engaged in the whisky trafuu lu iuo importance or THEIR OWN INTEREST, and while they took care oi No. 1 that is themselves No. 2 that is, the republican party went by the board. The hard times helped, of course, but the business was done by the intemperate temperance people isut De the cause or the defeat what it may ine result win D9 beneficial to the country especially to ine öoutn. The good result may not be reached at once, but they will come nevertheless, and be apparent in due time. At this interesting junctnre Mr. Snirlcy had a half dozen business calls and the re porter meandered, much to the relief of the incoming and waiting perhaps dry cus tomers. Failing to find any other representative distillers the reporter started out in search ot the tobacoo manufacturers and round several witnout difficulty, the nrst being MR. N. STIENBERO, who has quite a large establishment, but was not running to his complete capacity. Uow ever, be understood the business and had been a small as well as a large manufacturer and eould represent b3th. He favored tak ing tbe tax off the manufacturer and trviti! it on the speculator, by applying it to th raw material. . If the tax were taken off the manufacturer direct, the business of manufacturing would be greatly facili tated. The reporter here interposed this interrogatory: Uow would it facilitate vour business if the tax were taken off the man nfacturer ? Mr. S. We would not then have THE TROUBLE AND THE EXPENSE of keeping an extra set of books, paying for and using burning brands, government labels and other appliances required by the go eminent at our expense, it it were not ior mat tax we could use a ciear box more than once. As you will observe by imi wo are not even allowed to use our cigar boxes twice. (Tossing to the reporter me loiiowing laoei;: N. SI EINBERG, j MANUFACTURER I :Factory So. 127,5ta DiiJrictof Kentucky,! j Tne manufacturer of the cigars herein! contained has complied with all the re-! jquirements ot law. Every parson is 5 icautioned under tbe penalties of the lawj not to use this box for cigars again. I ivery manuiacturer is rennt red to nse this notice, and as in case of all violations or tbe revenue laws, either by himsalf or employes, is subject to fine or imprisonment or both. Before beginning the manufacture of cigar, the manufacturer must cive a bond in the amount of füuy and f 100 additional for each of his employes. This is discriminating against the email manulacturers and tends to the upbuilding of the rich and THE IMPOVERISHMENT OP THE POOR. If a man is not regarded responsihie and abounding in friendb, Or rolling jn wealth, t is impossible lor him establish himself in the tobacco rdnuracturlng business whatever experience ha may have had in the business. If the revenue laws weru repealed. manutacTurers wouldn't be required to submit to these things. nd therefore they woiid be more independent. Air. s. Uh, yes; it would help us all a heap. , , R. If the' public debt were discharged, do you think the tax would be taken for your product? Mr. S. I do not see why not; at least it should be very materially reduced. But then what we want Is noma euch modification Of tbe law as shall relieve us of tho extra expense aad admit of our losing less time than is the case undet the law we have now. The manufacturer should bo. relieved of some of tho tax, if it, were possible, but I don't tea how it can be dou3 at present. R. If the debt were disposed of by repudiation, would you not stand a better chance of being relieved of vour bürdet'? Mr. 8. Yes. But I am not in fvor of repudiation; would vote against it 11 it were submitted to the people to-day. It would ba DISHONOR TO REPUDIATE TUB DEBT. R. What is your i lea of inflation ; don't you think that would bo virtual repudiation

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inasmuch as it Is but the beglning ef the breakinr of the putlic faith with its creditors bydspreciatingthe standard of value, In so far as mney is concerned ? i- sTWei1 no- But then the peoof thick gold and silver is tbe only rt al mtf dard oi value, and if we could again? . coin into circulation then popular cidwonn iWt,0U.U be rMtor- .Tuen, ag.in I would like to see more money if ifVould give poor people work. If they can stand ÄnteltI.in(,8a liUle locer- bowever, it last F fr them and tot U9 a11 " i1 hi coaf-t4ll pocket full of Informator), in phonographic notes, and burning with afevensh thirst for more, the reporter retired, and repaired to the tobaco MANUFACTORY OK DOLL A OO., and called for the manager. That geutleman was in, and responded promptly, and submitted to the rumping process wUh resolution if not resignation. He stood at the head of a shop that had a working capacity of seventy-five hands, and capable of turning rmt about 2.000 pounds of fine cut and smoking tobacco Der dav. Tn an 4nterrogatory il tbe removal of the revenue wouiu ue a Denent to Mm in his business, ho said it would be diilicult to determine tliough he thought everybody would engsge In the tobacco business; would object lo having the debt repudiated ; DID NOT WANT ANY MORE MONKT. Tben, said the repor er, are you in favor of a return to soecie payment? lie said : I am. We are bound to come to it sometime and ther U r.o senso in going through what we have been through to reach tLat point, and that will be the inevitable result of inflation at thia or any other time. OOODBTE. The reporter folded his note book and silently stole away to the Louisville lottery library hall where ho sought surcease from the sorrows of tho unfortunate interviewer when given up to reflecting upon the ruin he has wrought upon tbe happiness of his victim in listening to a lecture from Eli I'erVins, until train time. Returning home, he next took tin train for CINCINNATI, TO INTERVIEW THE GREAT KINO OF ALCOHOL, J. W. Gaff, Esq. Conductor Wen dropped the reporter from his train on the banks oi that historical stream, Mill Creek, and among the first men he found there was Mr. Giff. He tackled him on the threshold of his immeiibe distillery, located at that place. The reporter introduced himself, stated his mission and asked: What is your manufacturing capacity, I mean all tbe distilleries in which you are interested? Mr. G. I am interested in four, three of one thousand bushels capacity, and another, this one, of three tbousind, which makes six. We have in all a manufacturing capacity ot 24.000 gallons per day. R. llow much tax are you required to pay upon that? Mr. G.-We bad better go into tbe office and look over the books. But then you can figure it out at 70 ceDt per gallon. If the establishment should be operated every day in the year to its fullest capacity the amount would reich to $16,8(X) per day; f 117,600 per week; J3J4 000 per month, and $(3,132,000 pr year. R. Have you observed any falling off in the amount of the ariic'e cnsunid on account of bard time?, bince the panic set in. Mr. G. People have no mony to spend in tbat wav, consequently parties who have been in ths habit of tching and making money, have lost, and can not collect their claims from poor people who are out of employment, and not only can not pay what they owe but can cot consume any more with any certainty cf being able to pay for it. The great mass of the working people who were consumers of our products in various forms are not able locoutinue the oonsumption. HALF THE DirriLLINO CAPACITY OP THB COUNTRY W IDLE because they can not collect thair claims from those to whom they have sold, who in turn can not collect from the people who consume, they being out of money and work, and unable to meet their obligation. R. How do you ttduk it would effect your business if there was no tax on vour products. Mr. G. I think it would be tage to us, to our customers and the country at large; then every man would be placed on an equal footing. There would be a greatly increased demand for oumroduet, whih would give emDlovment to pie and benefit them and the coin try in various way. If there wtre no tax upon alcohol it would be used for many purposes for which it i nnt nri nnw cooking purposes, for Instance. Italy now' u?es large quantities for that r.nrnnM Inn There are r r SIXTY THOUSAND BUSHELS OP CORN made into alcohol daily in this country, notwithstanding the fact that half the distUing capacity is at a stand still. R. Do you think the country could find relief in inflating thecurrenc? Mr.u.-l am in favor of furnishing relief, hardly know which would be best. Mv Idea is to issue greenbacks for tbe money the national b.inks are circulating, provide! they don't have to pay specie. If the banks are to continue as they are now thv win not be ot any special benefit to the irovernment. I am also in favor of removing the revenue laws as far as possible and placing upon imports. lt. If it would affjrd relief for tbereoDle would you favor the repudiation of the pubia a em. Mr. G. No. I would not be willinz to do that, but I am in favor of issuing GREENBACKS ON PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS; that is to improve some of tbe greit national thorough fares.such as canals and riversor something of that sort, so as to give employment to people now idle and in need of the necessaries of life; something that would give an impetus to the business of the country. R. Do you think inflation means repudi ation? Mr. G. I den't think so; I think inflation to. a certain extent means relief for the people. K. What Uo you think would b the reult of the icpeal of the gold bill of 1863? Mr. G. I would not bj in favor f dortIng arbitrary measure. I would b tve tbat question submit. ed to the Supreme Court of the United bUUs, and lave th.it b-.xly to say what was legal and equitable. I do not believe in the one man power. Tbiä tax on whisky which we have heeu talking a bout ha to be , PAID BY TITB PEOPLE; wo aro but the manufacturers. We take the grain product of t lie country and produce a certain article which they use. You can not fix it upon tho cousumer merely, nor .upon GoräLiued on the Fourth jpae.