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62d YEAR—NUMBER 88 Je >

TUESDAY, MAY 29,

ud Late Forecast: pum Rak Rh il, No Rain in Sight for ‘500’

By BILL EGGERT

The Weatherman, reversing an earlier decision today, | predicted “no rain” for the 500-Mile Race tomorrow.

Reverse Gear—

The Indianapolis Times

FORECAST: Partly cloudy today, tonight and tomorrow. High today 78; low tonight 60. High tomorrow 78.

Indianapolis, Indiana. Issued Dally.

1951 Entered as Second-Class Matter at Postoffice

UN Smashes

Through Reds Telephone

6 To 12 Miles

Red Resistance Steadily-. Mounts

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PRICE FIVE CENTS

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Here to Go Up

Latest forecast said ominous clouds and a cold front moving this way from the northwest will stall somewhere] in Illinois, leaving Indianapolis and Speedway dry, if not! high. Although a possibility re-! mained of showers tonight, C h C they were expected to pass! LISSES, d S, drs southward of this area. " ¢ § | Tomorrow's weather, then, will| feature alternating sunshine = Await Flag for | clouds, with a high of 78 degrees. | | The 35th 500-Mile Race is set

to go at 11 a. m. (CDT) with the | “33 fastest ever.” ! 0 y

| Speedway has led a charmed | | life in duels with undesirable | ; "Pame Flee weather forecasts. Only one race, | cs ap, Page RY nse 1915, had to be postponed because! Some folks will go in automo- — me ert me rare | 1108, 80TNE. WHI] gO DY train. . The

Mayor Bayt today urged cau- . tion in heavy holiday traffic. [hoboes: Will Walk the TFailteay)

The Mayor extended a wel- ties, but they'll get there just come to race fans but warned: the same.

: 11 the interest of safety, Add to those methods of transeave race fever at the track. portation special busses and taxi-| Don’t let it stay in your blood cabs and make the destination! ” ! ¢ ; ' } after the race” the Speedway for the big race

of rain from a Saturday to the !OMOITOW. following Monday. Several races Indianapolis Railways, Inc.| have been cut short by. rain, in- Plan to move an estimated 20,000 |

cluding last year’s chase that was fans to the track and back dows) stopped at 345 miles with Johnnie town in more than a 100 busses | Parsons in the lead. The rest of the city’s transit sys-| Anyhow, the cream of the na- tem will operate on a holiday] tion's top race drivers are set to Schedule. rewrite every Speedway record The downtown boarding point, from the first lap through the for the race bound busses will be 200th. the Traction Terminal at Mar-| It took an extra four-hour pe- ket and Illinois Sts. Busses will| riod because of rain to complete start leaving at 4 a. m. Fare. is the field, but six cars filled out 75 cents one way and $1.25 round| the 11 rows yesterday after 31 trip. Ticket booths will be set up qualifying attempts. at the terminal. | The “33 fastest” had an over- From 4 a. m. to 5 a. m. the all qualifying average of 133.570 busses. will leave every 15 min-| miles an hour, almost two and ues. For the first hour there-| one-half miles an hour more than after they will leave every five] 1950's previous high. minutes and from 6 a. m. to 7 And spotted down through the 5 m will depart every two min-| 11 rows of three cars each are a tes. After 7 a. m. they will be dozen drivers, who never before — have competed in a 500-Mile Continued on Page 2 —Col. 1 Race. 8ix of them passed their ST se driving tests this year at the ad . speeds that require a driver to] drive 10 laps at 100, 110, 115 2 Ticket scalping i 120 miles an hour. Their 120 test! would have won the pole position é ¥ » in 20 of the previous 34 races. To 500 Lim S on There isn’t going to be any,

astonishment among many vet-

rami win ne 00 1c one (ly ON@ Cylinder 25 Corraled at Downtown Tg Club Owner Corner for Jury Service

the raw rookies wins this year's]

race. Scalping of tickets to the 500Several of the rookies, namely | , Mile Race got off to a slow start! Blazin’ Bobby Ball, Mike Naza- here today.

ruk, Chuck Stevenson and Rodger | Burge, ticket manager for,

NO SALE—Mrs. Verna Hattle, 902 N. Beville Pl., was on a shopping trip when Bailiff John McGregor enlisted her for jury chased out of South Korea last

TRAPPED—C. B. Leet [right) was “caught” by

Bailiff Charles J. Brown in search of a panei.

By EARNEST HOBERECHT | United Press Staff Correspondent | | TOKYO, Wednesday, May 130—Allied forces smashed

' {through Communist resist-

‘ance in Korea Tuesday, ad-

\vancing ¢ix to 12 miles over *3 rugged terrain. ery ; dy

South Korean troops spearhead-

{ed the United Nations drive by - {plunging 12 miles up the east lcoast to capture the Key road] [4S 4 eS junction of Kansong, 26 miieg

north of the 38th Parallel.

. The ROKS ran into little or . | {no resistance as they raced ap IVS 0 M0 {the same route they took before

being driven back by the Chinese {Communist offensive last winter. Meet Resistance

Soldier Is Killed

On other fronts, however, the In a 2d Accident Allies were meeting wi‘h new re- Times Stale Service

sistance from the army they PENDLETON May 20— VObk. Three persons burned to,

Hand-to-hand fighting was re- death and four others were

potred in some areas and convoys i yl | of Red supply trucks began hospitalized today as the re-

streaming southward again to/sult of a three-car crash on main Communist assembly areas.| & A CY Ind. 67, three miles northeast Koreans holding open the last °f here last night. | (escape route for Reds trapped be- In another accident at Franklow the Hwachon reservoir bat-lin, one Camp Atterbury soldier units driving to seal off a moun-, Photo, Page 3 tain trail around the eastern end of the lake, Fight Lots Harder Hand-to-hand . fighting raged Parked truck. over miles of wooded mountain Dead were: country south of Yanggu, on the Orville Nuerman, 24, Muncie. eastern end of the 12-mile-long| Peggy Nuerman, 20, his wife. reservoir. The North Koreans, j.ytje McConnaughy, 29, Mun-counter-attacked at dawn and the i. ° y fight still was going on under, ne. ow. B. Hundley, 23, a broiling sun after noon. Mooresville, stationed at Camp The North Koreans were re- Atterbury. sisting more bitterly than the Chinese who have fought in this sector. “Those Koreans stick {notes and fight a lot longer than ——————————=—- - the Chinese” one officer sala. INDIANAPOLIS TRAFFIC “We've been throwing grenades . : hack and forth at each other all CASUALTIES ; (148 days)

gay. — 1951 1950 Accidents ...... 3107 3267

Police Chief Tip | aa I ve

J Muncie. The driver was thrown

was killed snd two others {njured! when their car crashed into a

The persons burned to death near Pendleton were passengers in their in the car of 8amuel Howard, 36,

other autos. Hé is in critical condition at St. John’s Hospital, Anderson, with internal injuries.

Towing Racer

A Beech Grove night club op- Mr. Howard was driving north erator today expressed surprise on 67, towing a hard top racer. at learning a state police raid on gate police said he lost control

tled fiercely against American ———— — —

r—— — - wt - —— —— I State Part Bell Indi ate Party Bell |ndicates To Extend mr Truman Bid 12 or | ® Top Hoosier Democrats today | 1 made plans for President Truman : to launch a new “give ‘em hell” y campaign in Indiana. { the Democratic State Chairman Ira Order of $1 Million L. Haymaker disclosed present arrangements call for President Increase Expected Soon Truman J attend the Demugorase By IRVING LEIBOWITZ west Conference 3. 23-25 a ; : 3 Ro Lick. ug | Telephone bills will rise an Mr. Haymaker said he would average of 12 cents a month, Sxtens the invitation soon. He The Times learned today. “From present Indications, it is The State Public Service Yery JNkely the President will at- Commission is expected to Rreadbasket: of Nation {issue Thursday or Friday an The conference is made up of order granting the Indiana Bell state chairmen and vice chairmen| Telephone Co. a rate increase of and national committee members| yout $1 million. o from Indiana, Illinois, Icwa, Kan-| The utility asked $8.2 million. sas, Michigan, Minnesota, Mis-| Telephone subscribers in 82 souri, Montana, Nebraska, Noth, cities and towns and 46 of IndiDakota, Ohio, Oklahoma South ana's_92 counties will be affected Dakota, Wisconsin and Wyoming. by the order. nce ese states, e bread- ' basket of the nation, are vital to! Fight for More Hinted : success in any general election,| Officials of Indiana Bell al. the August meeting is regarded ready have indicated they will by party leaders as one of the take the PSC order to court in an most important political prelimi. effort to force the commission to naries to the 1952 national elec. 8ive them more money. Details tion campaign. of the order, .which the commisAlthough without sufficient vot- sion has been) honking pn fof he ing power to elect alone, the Mid- to Beh officials.

west has long been considered The PSC. it was learned. ale the “balance of power” in a tight ready has arrived at the $1 mil. nation-wide election. lion rate increase by using the ‘Stimulant’ Needed same formula it used in the preThe decision to\nvite President vious Indiana Bell case when the Truman, Democratic leaders said, Utility was awarded $2.5 million came when top party officials de- On Sept. 5, 1950. cided Democrats needed the “stim-/ The PSC has maintained that

ulation” of a “rousing Truman pi) propany a Rp |campalign.” and. belie 4 | In Washington, President Tru ty iia. velicves Ale /man said last wéek he was con- million.

[sidering such & campaign on the The commission order will not

/trom his car by the impact of the eve of the mayoralty elections. cover the impending federal in-

Criminal Court On Raid Surprise crash as it was struck by two

The Midwest meeting will coin- come tax and wage negotiations

jcide in part with the annual fall between telephone workers and

session of the Indiana Democratic the utility Editorial Association Aug. 24 and Believ “ 25. The editors meet once each] evs 1¢ Uniale” year at the famed French Lick! Because of this, it is expected resort. that the utility will seek further 3-Day Program | “financial relief” at an early date,

Ranking members of the na- either through the courts or

’, battle between 31 four-cylinder o... "709 N. Capitol Ave.

Jurist Harks Back to Magna Carta; Men and Women Protest to No Avail

By JOHN V. WILSON But downtown hotels saw little Judge Saul I. Rabb, Criminal Court 2, swinging a mean activity last night and this morn- |ggg0, went into the cowboy business briefly today.

ing, according to police. : a: . “My men haven't reported any- He had his two bailiffs corral 25 unsuspecting men and

Judge to Press : ; lo \ thing,” said Inspector Jack women in downtown Indianapolis for jury duty. They came Grubbs Inquiry O'Neal, chief of detectives. “But {4 squrt squirming and protesting. it wouldn't make any difference . . : : Criminal Court Judge Henry if they saw any scalping going The prospective jurors offered a variety of excuses in O. Chamberlin disclosed today on. It's not illegal in Indiana, efforts to escape. But the — he does not intend to let the anyway. 0 : . when they voiced objections to illegal removal of one of his Agents Watch Hotels two bailiffs held their ground 4 : prisoners go unnoticed. “Scalpers don't have to be in the mass roundup. didn't appear and summons were The prisoner, Ethridge Grubbs, afraid to sell tickets right under RBajliffs Charles J. Brown and to be served on them today. 34-year-old confessed killer of a policeman’s nose.” . John MacGregor set their trap Judge Raab said the “round up two, was taken from the Marion What the quick-sale fraternity near Washington and Pennsyl- method of obtaining jurors dated County Jail and brought to may overlook, however, is the vania Sts. One of the first per- back to the Magna Carta. Bloomington where he was shot |20 per cent federal tax owing on sons approached was Mrs. Verna' “That was the regular jury

wang have come here this year Indianapolis Motor Speedway, re-| with leadfoot reputations. ted f sales apparently Otherwise it will be a speed por a fey les Parent taking place in the vicinity of his

Continued on Page 10 —Col. 1

By United Press | If Macy's cuts prices, we'll go Republican mayoralty nominaNEW YORK, May 29—Millions right along with them. It looks tion. of subway shoppers pitched in to|]jke we are in an old fashioned] Mr. Ober pointed out to the help themselves today to bar-| price war.” | bailiffs that he is an attorney and gains they hadn't seen in many Bloomingdale's, another large a member of the Indianapolis A year with the city’s biggest de-| department store, announced it/Bar Association. “I wouldn't be partment stores firing the first would not be undersold. Hearn’s| acceptable,” he sald. rounds of a giant price war. Department Store said “If there| Another man was allowed to R. H. Macy & Co., the world’s|is a price war we'll be right in|continue on his way when he largest department store under|the middle of it.” protested he couldn't serve be-

to death by Monroe County excess price. Hattle, 902 N. Beville Place. Sheriff Fred Davis as Grubbs/ Lawrence Price, chief of the, “Do I have to do this?” she pro- pystanders outside the courtattempted to kill his wife. Indianapolis field division, U. S. tested. “Isn't this awful?” she pouse.” prisoner without a court order office “frequently” nabs scalpers| Mrs. Hattle was on her way to — . “definitely illegal,” Judge Cham- and collects the tax on profits: L. 8. Ayres & Co. for an end-of- Missin Witness berlin said: “We have agents in hotels and the-month sale. She had her “This should not-go unnoticed. around the track this year,” Mr. heart set on buying draperies. to prevent a repetition of this.” amount of scalping to occur, how- Her destination was the WoolMarion County Sheriff Smith ever, since potential customers worth Co. where she is a salessaid the transfer of the prisoner have discovered that tickets gen- lady. Car Death Found Frank Fairchild, Sheriff Davis ular channels. “I've just ror ’ , . st got to get word to my and himself. All are expected to Some big operators may be in employer,” she said. “They don't, T rae ibaa . , ”| v' ¥ . ) he missing witness of an achear from Judge Chamberlin in town tonight to make a killing.”|have anyone else at my counter.” cident in which a 5-year-old boy i ———— — is careful how he sells blocks of | . tickets: ‘And I think some HS toe she could call in from the court- cated by investigators from ProseShackford Elected big scalpers from out of town got Yoon, "Since you ve never served cutor Frank Fairchild's office, LONDON, May 29 (UP)—R. H. stuck with a lot of unsold tickets on a jury before,” he said, mak-; The prosecutor today inter § 0 last year.” } Shackford, General European o the Courthouse, “It will be a son, who has lived at three adPress, today was elected president the “innocent” variety, in which ' Ag» dresses in the last three weeks. of the American Correspondents someone with a couple of extra I don’t think it will” Mrs. Investigators said that it was in London for 1951-52. tickets makes a fast buck. . een gem ———-| A man ‘caught In the jury drag- them from finding her sooner. net, Alfred Cahill, 2060 N. Dela-| She is said to be the oniy ware St., was headed for the bank witness of an accident in which : Keeper, vord St., was killed. He walked 2 Biggest N. Y. Stores Open ons Hien a Among those who escaped the by Macy Williams, 30, of 535 Miunsuccessful candidate for the According to the Prosecutor's office, Mrs. Dawson signed an affidavit against the driver on a her statement to a grand jury official, y However, when Williams came

Calling the removal of the Internal Revenue Dept. said his asked. im——— I feel rather strongly about this! Price said. | Next victim was Mrs. Betty, y case. I intend to do something He expected only a moderate Markle, 327 N. Sherman Drive. I ys p " had the approval of Prosecutor [erally are available through reg- No Thrill the near future. (Mr. Price Said. But Mn Burge] Bain MacGregor replied that was killed Feb. 23 has been loing conversation on the way back viewed the long-sought Irma DawNews Manager of the United, He described some scalping as big thrill for you. Markle retorted in a low voice. her frequent moves that kept é AJ We're Glad to Be Back'— to get $20 change for his book- Alonzo Wayne Johnson. 1641 Al- ® : * "Old-Fashioned Price War" run wad ceni's icy) oper. nora st : . : Signed Affidavit drunken driving charge and made to trial, she failed to appear and

his club was inspired by the, pq car when the racer wheels

{tional administration and party coming back for a new rate ine

Beech Grove police chief. Raids at Club Emerson and five taverns in the southeast suburban city were made by state

police last night at the request of Beech Grove Police Chief J. B.

Stratton.

“I didn’t know Stratton made the tip. I thought he was OK)” said Burnis (Bud) Mills, owner

and operator of the Emerson. No Gambling Evidence

The Beech Grove police chief admitted he had visited the the death penalty. Four others Emerson earlier last night, but

saw no evidence of gambling. “Yes, I was there earlier, but

,, it wasn't because of anything I saw there that made me call state police into these raids”

Chief Stratton said today.

: x ) “The Times has heen putting system.” he said. “pulling In ,, tne heat,” Chief Stratton was

quoted as saying. The chief had been angered and recently threatened to punch a Times reporter in the nose because of a story on carnival gambling in Beech Grove Municipal Park. Led by Capt. Barton

Chief Stratton refused to say what, specifically, prompted him to call state police about 10 p. m. and request the raids. “I just got a notion to- call them in,” he said. In all, about 14 troopers led by State Police Capt, John Barton made the raids. In groups of two to six, they struck simultaneously at 11:30 p. m.

Troopers found no evidence of

gambling operations at three spots, but Pick-N-Win tickets were confiscdted at the others,

First strike was at Club Emer-

son, 180 8. First Ave, Besides the tickets, troopers confiscated a dice table not in use at the time.

In downstairs rooms they found several persons playing cards and eating sandwiches, but

no gambling was observed.

Other tickets were confiscated at Sam's Tavern, 75 N, Second

Ave, and Harvey's Tavern, 614 Main St,

LOCAL TEMPERATURES 6 a m... 58 10 a. m... 85 7a m.. 56 11 a. m... 69 8 a.m. ..59 12 (Noon) 69 9a m.. 68

Latest humidity cress. 88°,

was not located until vesterday. --—— Williams was convicted of drunk- Times Index en driving and sentenced to 90

one roof, let go the first salvo| Gimbel's and Macy's have been Ciuse of heart trouble. And he juve on the State Farm. He was Amusements ......e0000.6-7

With a double-page ad in this; tering each other In news- Pulled oit two bottles of pills to gpad $100.

fixed prices —at Macy's.” of the Year.” [of 85. : ness could not be found.

Gas ink a3 hardly ary when Macy's let It be known it was Need was exhausted In the first- Today the prosecutor called for mbel’s partment Store, al- more interested in keeping prices degree murder trial of Ledoll the police report on the accident,

1 : the question of standard brands. Other passersby excused were guid he might seek a reckless a. you san buy bois price 1t started when Gimbel's was doctors, legal assistants and per- homicide charge against Williams, ems a ess an price- named “Standard Brands Store SOns over the maximum jury age hut added that the onlv evewit-

Frank Anderson ........ 10 Eddie Ash ....... savin 10 Births, Deaths, Events... 7 Clyde Farnsworth ....... #4 Harold H. Hartley ....... 8 Frederick C. Othmar .... 4

Radio and Television..... 9 Sports .....vsev0008104444 10 Andrew Tully ...ovoeesees 4

i | most as big and just across the down than selling standard Campbell, 34, of 1202 N. Capitol sent his Investigators to the, Earl Wilson .... Liam

street, declared through {ts con- .

Ave, ‘Apt. 3. troller, William Gorman: ve, Apt. 3

| Continned on Page 24-Col. 3 | Fifteen persons were excused ness.

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scene again and talked toghe Wit-' Women's ...vvvvvevaenees 3

went off the pavement and caught in the soft shoulder along the road. The racer broke free and Howard's car swerved across the

leaders from Washington and Crease.

other parts of the country will be| included in the roster of speakers| (not to have considered the exe A number of small sessions

for the Midwest Conference.

~ Utility attorneys and officials believe it is “unfair” for the PSC

pected wage increases and fedefal

road into the path of two oncom- during the three-day program will income tax addition.

ing cars driven by Raymond he hela to discuss political prob-|

The forthcoming PSC order rep=

Corey, Anderson, and Charles E. lems and campaign strategy for resents a victory for Publis

Toloday, 19, Wilkerson. Following the crash, all three cars burst into flame.

Also Injured in the

{the campaign in the central!

states.

Other top Democratic leaders, accident !n addition to President Truman, |

Counselor Walter Jones, who has battled Indiana Bell rate {ine creases for nearly two years. High point in the order will be

were Mr. Toloday, cuts on the who are expected to attend, in- the PSC's adoption of a deprecighead; his passenger, Myron clude Sen. Paul Douglas of Illi- tion method advocated by James

Thomas, 23. Anderson, fractured NOIs.

ribs; Mr. Corey, cuts and bruises, and Robert Kiphart, 25, Pendleton, fractured arm and bruises, Injured in the accident at Franklin, in which their soldier buddy was killed, were Cpl. Allen Peck, Handon, Conn. and Cpl Robert Carson, Saginaw, Mich.

Hit Rear of Truck

State police said Carson was driving through Franklin and crashed into the rear of a parked truck. Cpl. Carson received minor injuries, and Cpl. Peck received a brain concussion snd facial cuts. Indianapolis police reported three children injured when struck by cars yesterday. David Salamone, 5, of 2340 St. Paul St, was hospitalized with a broken collarbone after being struck by an auto driven by David Warner, 28, RR 1, Camby, at 2300 E. Raymond St, Michael Gruner, 4, of 526 Eastern Ave, and Thomas Edwards, 6. of 716 N. Holmes Ave. were

Oscar Chapman, Ohio's Gov.

Secretary of the Interior!

Honaker, a utility expert whe testified on behalf of the publig

Frank Lausche and Michigan's in opposition to the utility.

Gov. Mennen Williams.

Air Chief Balks At Hint He Quit

WASHINGTON, May 29 (UP)— A Republican Senator told Gen. Hoyt S. Vandenberg today that he should resign, or be recalled as Gen. Douglas MacArthur was, for criticizing the ban on U, 8, air blows against the Chinese Reds’ supply “sanctuary.” The Air Chief of Staff reported

that he had not criticized but had

merely “explained” the ban. He rejected . the suggestion by Sen.

Bourke B. Hickenlooper (R. Ia.f

that he quit. The exchange took place at the Senate investigation of Gen. MacArthur's dismissal as supreme commander in the Far East, | The administration has said Gen. MacArthur was fired for pub-

treated last night for minor in- licly denouncing official Korean juries at General Hospital after War policy, including the ban on

being struck by autos while crossing the street.

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air blows against Chinese Communist bases in Manchuria.

Death Takes 2d Victim Of State Plane Crash

TERRE HAUTE, May 29 (UP) Two persons were dead today as a result of the crash of a light plane a mile south of Hulman Airport early Sunday. Ralph Clark, 31, Terre Haute, a (passenger, died last night of a ‘skull fracture and severe throat lacerations. He did not regain consciousness, The pilot of the two-seater |Aeronca, 8gt. Edwin Robb, 29, at[tached to the 2d Army and an instructor at Rose Polytechnic Institute here, was killed when the plane went into a spin at 100 feet and plunged to the ground.

Body Found in River

KNOX, Ind, May 29 (UP) The body of an unidentified man’ was found in the Yellow River about three miles east of here

yesterday and authorities esti-

mated the victim had been in | the water about three months. | 4

The commission made no ade justment on Western Electrie prices, nor license fees.

Probable Rates

Although Bell Telephone Come pany officials have not as yet dee veloped a rate schedule for the $1 million rate increase, Indian. apolis residents probably wil} have to pay the following rates NEW MONTHLY RATES One party residence........$5.38 Two party residence........ 4.38 Four party residence, ....... Added will be a 15 per cent tax, In effect, the PSC is allowing the utility a 6 per cent return on its investment, based on the come mission's rate base.

Garbage Collections To Be Made ‘500' Day

Everything else may stop toe morrow while the “500” ag around, but city garbage collets tions will continue as usual, James H. Bookedis, superintems . dent of the City Sanitation plant, said today that regular W. ’ day collections will be made toe morrow. a Garbage should be ready at.¥ a. m. The area to be served : he between 10th and 21st 8 : from the east to west city limits, - ein

‘Just Arguing’ =

SAN FRANCISCO, May 20 (UP) — Alcatraz Prison officials sought today to . learn the cause of a fight = in which the prison barber : 3 stabbed a convict to death with his shears. The dead man was Joseph Barsock, 25-year-old New Orleanian, doing life for murder. His Freddie Lee Thomas, 28, washington, D .C., was doing 10 to 30 years for second degree murder, ©

Warden E. B.. Swope a quoted Thomas as saying, We were just 8 didn’t amount to anythin