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SATURDAY, ‘MAY 5, 1951

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defenses, our military defenses,

it tect - preponderance of one element or 0 protect these potential Produc

plies, yes. In any other way, I found no evidences of it.

|" (The General read through the specifically not include the recog-

list which included chemicals, nition of any geating of Red |China in the United Nations or

WASHINGTON, May 5—A par r fs ’ kde paredness in the other parts of/not make that recommendation , rate | (Cont tial transcript of _today's testi- Bees, 4 the world are fixed at about two (sor reconnaissance) in that way Posed an arms. embargo against'tion from the Joint Chiefs of mony by Gen. Douglas MacArthur : years hence. So that the troops : hat the Joint Communist China so that no sol- Staff, that in their judgment, report, wa before Senate committees investi- 3 that are being trained in that two Pecause it was what the Joint igi, in Korea would be a target of Formosa was not strategically im- to you for gating his ouster: years’ &ould be used in the Far Chiefs had agreed to, whereas the a bullet manufactured in the free portant to us? Sen, Mac Sen. Leverett Saltonstall (R. Fast without the slightest detri- Joint Chiefs had not agreed to world.. The plan was outlined in ' ’ only seen Mass.) — Were ere ever any ment to anything else . . . bombing? © a private meeting of the United Joint Chiefs’ Position Wedemeve plans made to evacuate Koréa, Sen. Brien McMahon (D. Conn.) a1 Nations sanctions committee, and ge» 1+ _ + . ade publ and if so what in general were — General, you stated yesterday Gen, Jaca No, oe 3 American Delegate &rnest A. Coincides With Mine Doubt they and what were the pians that communism is our enemy all Nappened that my EN ncided 0c gaid it would be embodied Gen. MacArthur—None. Quite Ss made, if you felt you had to over the world, Where Is most of| Wii those of<the Joint Chiefs ... a formal resolution early next the contrary, Senator. I think Sufficier evacuate Korea? What did you the military power located that is Sen. Lodge—What would hap- week.’ the position of the Joint Chiefs. Shen Br As a military fel) by communis Bo er Shoriimse How, General, the war in Ko. of Hig Ginones very viosely ris Ral en. MacAr 3, § . 0 J . fo bout with my own . . contingency we prepared plans fur | Russia Is Seat land, and then be wiped out? Tea has been gong on h ® 2 So S Knowland— Now, General whether the evacuation if we were forced EJ 5 t 10 months; the Chinese have Be An 'uql bring the § to do. sor-AlL-of the details were Ji Of Red Power Gen. MacArthur—Senator, that jjentified as being in Korea for. . . there was a proposal made Sng Ios ~t0 8,-All : . 1 Bo om |s-a-hypothesis-that-is-very-diffi- ypproxtmately-six-months. Would at the United Nations by: I. think, ey CAL never worked out, but the initial Gen. MacArthur — Unquestion- jt to speculate upon. you care to give your observa some of the Far Eastérn and formation plang voir 2 gratual willy Riily In Sovier Russia, The basic ~concept that this tions as to whether or not the Middle European powers, a pro ment does various defensive positions with : Ren. McMahon-—General, I was country should have would be action in taking this matter up posal for a cease-fire or an armis- war mater 8 ) ' very much interested “in your ,p.+ Formosa should not be al- , , _ tice. Included in that proposal Gen. Ma, .a final evacuation 'in the southern statement. ; . (that) yotr recog- : to apply an embargo was expe rth toviso that ve ae belief that part of Korea.. “ { nize the necessity for a prepared- joe to Tay si Rea pa. - + ditious under the circumstances? a CT grit " down together has not st: By Ken, Saltonstall — Would you §X “Zou ; : & ' elieve loes, that you have ~ . : i ’ 3 Rt 1 smi FER EOP Tap ame ft] EO eithetand A sutprice blow: pot. only. lost. everything . we Favors E mbargo, Thinks oe SO SR e situati s it was bef | ad Ee ained in the Pacific war, but § 'e UIoTS 5 18 Stim) ar 4 Dre you hn to withstand that sur- $a) have rolled our strategic It's Much Too Late Union. Communist China, Great real perioc Gen. MacArthur — The ' with-| A a h frontier * back from the little Gen. MacArthur—I am entirely Britain. the United States and give 3s drawal contemplated returning ‘ jen, Mac AT pen] > oul ony island groups that defend us now, in accord with the action they are one additional power, I Believe is on: al the mass of our troops at first to, rom my general knowledge that ,)) ho way back to the Western taking. I think it is much too I would like to ask, whether (2 Lines Japan. The details of what might we are rather inadequately pre- .,,qt of the United States. been YOU believe that uffder that type Sen. FI: ared at the present moment late. I think it should have been : h ti ut m have occurred after that would p p ihe , : HE of setup—with three nations o y...qu have deperided upon the action San. MeMahon--and the I believe that you might invite taken from the very beginning. of the five already indicating a Sen. Fla itself or the directives that I worst blow that this maverick— third world war if you aliow; Sen. Rnewland--You mentioned willingness to admit Red China active pros might have received ! which “we agree on is the Soviet that great breach in our lines , , . yesterday that there had been for- _ dispose of Formosa to the campaign "Sen. Saltonstall — And there ff Union—ecould strike at the free . {warded to you and to this govern= ~. oc.’ communists, whether gest . . . bi were no directives? Nor wala be at the production NO Russians Found, Or eit of that Would be an indication of an ment into . Mac i & enters of the free world which i easement? Gen. M yA Tere, wert Foi in ved tn this TY ie . Dead or Alive strategic materials out of Hong" > The position that rol bi Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D Gow. MacArthur — They would Sem Lodge—Do you think that Kong to Communist China . . 1), VFL, [2 ot ine Joint Chiets is pitched “ . o " . » -—— h IW ! J Tex.)—We have pending in the] . certainly be a very potent blow; the Russians are actively aiding | ORIeE 1 Jou sould iii A Staff in which I was in fullest basis than Sontersnce somites of the Con. MacARTHUR TO McMAHON—", . . Senator, our purpose, as | see it, in the Korean War, is to yes NY Mah : the North Koreans and the Chl-| “Gen: MacArthur—I have the re-|agreement, late in March as I ight ocx 8 ry serious question o force China fo stop killin b. . " Sen. McMahon — And, so the nese Communists? ‘e. recall, was that the terms of an sia tse “iv our boys by the thousands in K ; port here ... This is a very com- recail providing the men to make up our| P 9 ys Oy Yiangs «in bores state of our defenses, our civil Gen, MacArthur — With syp- pendious list. y armistice. or cease-fire should We She

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country, if you would ve us ) - some exact figures, S52 antl, 2 fen, Masarthur~03, yes . and he doesn't announce. the other, but the force that we I ort is, 01 sxiterie Sen. Lodge—No staff officers? radio and telephone equipment, £ turni ver Sen. Ful mates as to how many additional (Fen YEA S ago «++ (I) requested] And if you are not ready at apply should be based upon the Gen. MacArthur—I should say Gen. MacArthur—Found noth. machinery, fuels, minerals, meai.fa consideration of Wirning B If you coul members of ihe Aried Foroos ihe ppine government to try|that time you might well be over- complete integration of the poten- : cines, metals and miscellaneous Formosa . . . you think would he desirable in to organize it for the blow that whelmed tial of those three forces. It | j*. OE a tems.) | 1; Was, 1 undersiang, 11 hose a WitlT_every. passing: Year, a5. castigo ot, dures 8. §| Sen. McMahon—And, therefore, found a dead Russian or captured Sen.. Rnowlamd— I would two particulars, disapproved by mine the Sc 3 p e to make such a simpli- any course of action which might'a Russian, so far as I know, since : yt Gen. Mac

carrying out the specific program V28 manifestly certain to come

like to ask whether it is your the Secretary of Defense, who

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(and) the first thing I did|long as you have a maverick run-

that you have recommended. . , .| was to introduce universal mili-|ning loose in the world, it means!

fication in my opinion. |precipitate now that kind of althe Korean campaign started .

, * *|judgme tha said he believed that those two Sen. Johnson—Then you would blow must be weighed with the i gm nt t such material

Sen. Lodge—If the Russians are would have been of substantial items might well be considered point of v

Present Strenath tary service as far as I was able(that your necessity for ) | “eseit) prepared- pot , ¢ Could i tong A to dccomplish it. ness ICrenRes AnIGHE Son ror roo re wer jeEislative Suaitiackets greatest care. _ __. supplying the Red Chinese, do You assistance to the Communist at the conference, the peace con- the streng! Isive Sen. Johnson—I mean, as it ap-/the formula to settle the whole the.number of ground t that| Gen. MacArthur—Correct. = favor regarding the Russians as force. ference. would be o Gen: MacArthur—It would be Plied to this nation. matter. ould ba El goops at| Sen. McMahon—Have you taken an enemy, and taking whatever| Gen. MacArthur — There is no : influence 11 dificult to try to reduce to exact UMT Might Have Sen. Johnson— . . . Assume we Gen. MacArthur — Senator. 110% Circumstances into consider- steps are necessary to stop that question about it, especially pe. SWitch on Formosa, action. figures in advance what you have 9 |embrace your program, and sup-|stand upon my answers. I don’t lon When you now recommend supply? : troleum, gasoline, and things of Admission to UN Another to have to defeat an enemy. Prevented Wars pose the Chinese were chased want to be drawn into the politi} we proceed on a course which| Gen. MacArthur—Not at this that sort. It is the very essence they were I am sure the overall strength a Maca back across the Yalu river and cal discussions that are Pela (may bring ‘the Soviet Union into time: no, sir. I think it is not of the movement of an army and, Sen. Knowland—Do I under- and by th which is being provided now or _ . ne rthur — I am quite. . . refuse to sign a treaty and upon that point put my one! conflict? accepted in the international rules armed troops. |stand that at a subsequent date achieving debated row, would well encom- pa hat 5 years ago had we to enter into an agreement on belief "is that the elasticity that) Gen. MacArthur—Completely. I of war that merely the supplying B d there was . . . general agreement the expansi pass — without prejudice to ay [ha § universal military sarvice, the what their future actions will be, is necessary is not to be measured cLEVe that if you do not settle of an enemy constitutes inherent- rands Truman with the Joint Chiefs’ position ly being at other operations or demands that|4irerent Fon would Aye been what course would you recom- by. academic or straitjacket successfully w ha t you ‘have ly a declaration of war... Statement ‘Tommyrof’ Jexcert. that 1 was Delisted {ha og may be made upon it—the con-had we bee s my Ble that mend at that stage? formulas at all. started, and are committed to, In’ gen. Lodge—You said yester- y lturning over of Formosa and the mental reas clusion of what I had in mind in| either of on Jrepare before, Gen. MacArthur—Such a con- It depends upon the circum. KOréa. you will tend to incite him day you did not believe that the Sen. Knowland—. in this admission of Communist China would tak the Far East. a a er or. are, there tingency is a very hypothetical stances of the case and common.” Increase not only the tempo of goviets could maintain a sus- morning's . paper . was the into the United Nations could such judgr It would only take a relatively they : very FYcetien Spance hat query. TI can’t quite see the pos- sense and good judgment should Ms blow but the time of his blow. tained threatening offensive in statement (by President Truman) properly be considered as a basis render. small fraction of that force to ve taken piace. sibility of the enemy being driven be applied to those circumstances Believes His Program eastern Russia . .. do you not feel that Indicated that Gen. MacAr- for negotiation for a cease-fire? Sen. Full carry on that campaign that I Any doubts that I would have back across the Yalu and still when they arise. 9 it is important from an over-all {hur did not let the Central Intel-| Gen. MacArthur—That is cor. to say thaf would have in mind, is as to the efficacy on the mili- being in a posture of offensive ac- Sen. Johnson—-. . . I want to Will Prevent War standpoint for the United States liSence Agency come in until after rect, sir. The recommendations of pansion of The increases that would erry, Poteniia) that the Country IO: ton’ assure you—if you need assur-| I believe that the program 1 to retain bases for its strategic on. Walter Sede! Stith, Siree-ithe Joint Chiets of Staff Went 18 SEONG" 2a necessary in the Far East would| “5; Prosuce a gw I a ee a he hypo- ance—that this certainly is not a have suggested will rae not aviation in Europe from which hi a ge Sent 2 Te Bee tar roc: Tae Re not be great as far ore the first Wor ar, an 818 Yc e a rea- political question so’ : 3 s .}? m avout it [Secretary of Defense forwarde en, a gr as ground q n so’'far as I am precipitate a world war, but to It could reach that Russian in- "ooo any prohibition their recommendations as I suredly bel

troops are concerned. The great- \N¢ Second World War, for that est thing that would be necessary "Lie": Industry hadn't assumed is to release the power that we | Such an important part as it has

sonable and a rational one. If he ceases his depredations across the Yalu, that math, rpose that we

concerned. My feeling is that we prevent it. have a nation to save and not an! I don't believe there is anything election to win . [that you could do that would ac-!

dustrial potential in case of trouble? Gen. MacArthur—Yes, sir,

‘understand it to the Secretary of /State, but disagreed with them

against the operation of the CIA, so far as you have knowledge, in your theater while you were thea- on those two points.

ourselves i . pardness crease in o

have is accomplishe a now possess . . . it is quite now, BNW Fupr I would like to ha -le i : De Joageas ru IL I3QUNS Possible] ieve tie. hirig: Should Bek" To NneonNTIuprose . . \ommendatinn Axt. tu rut ole war Se age ee re! spol ter commander, Sen. _Knowland—Did it (the Sen, Fulb Cp - be. ed ing, sh “they—go back “across — rand) - 8.10 .the *Wisdom with. the Soviet -than—to--show me-that if we could consider the —¢ TE Phar oie | et 1 : re eri increments of both the air and carefully studied, Senator, after +4 of a committee like this savi , Gen. MacArthur. — That state- change) take place prior to the Jauential the navy i ‘we get over this present crisis still retain large mass formations (pe Joint Chiefs of St ving to weakness in the Far ‘East today. Far East by itself without any. + is ay tommyrot. Every pos- time the document went from the made a sta It must be borne in mi ‘that exists . .. there, what course are we going are going to Iimit afts that we| Sen. McMahon—General, ho w relationship to anything else, that, »4sigtance has been giv BO Defense establishment to the to this eff n mind that) to have to take? mit you to a spe- many casualties have we had in we should in all probability do the to ths entra yan ly State Department vies? would com

cific number of groups, to a spe-| Korea?

the general object, as I under-| Sen. Johnson -- General, when , i FE Bi Se vou wii np Ir Th the Mac argme- I don’t think jf. type of fleet, to a specific| Gen. MacArthur—When I jor slly jhe things that you Agency. Gen. MacArthur—My under- os : ‘en a € | 3 ! . = n : ¥ . A / = ¥ ainin an gram visions ite assomplishe SUMMARY fof Korea, Were yoy in-| Sen. Johnson Are we going to Torn islons to be sent to . . . the battle casualties of the Judging from the mail that I The oniy Ihing 1 insisted i a oa ea rs m something of that ‘sort. During|avallable to. the Armed services men there te prorat ou mnrort Advi or (hat theater .... American troops were approach- get, though, there are millions of a zancy: when they a LBeNCe (ary of Defense those provisions wreck the that time, those force. Pork he at that time? men there to protect our position? Advice of Military |ing 65,000. The battle casualties Americans who are perplexed By, gency, when they came into the which would be included in a ‘ called for ) ? |of the South Korean troops were|the relationship of the defense of | theater, would not act Surrep-l.ease-fire arrangement. The Sec- a million

used in Korea without: prejudice! Gen. MacArthur — I was very|

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to their ultimate use some place . Lo 8l0h epee Placer ar 3 fouiely informed of Would Be Final queen. MacArthur believe, gn tle casualties of the other Allies defense of America ih Europe. 18 oy" So, I can't see that there is the armed services made available 1 Gen. MacArthur 1 can't vis Soe ons-of-the utilization of ‘he -were--praetieally negligible, " per--there--anything--that you-eare 0 given hem every possible Aassist- Chiefs of Staff who. made theses _...mobilizatiol slightest prejudice involved to the am sure, everything that was pos- UallZze an enemy who had been ART. of the country, haps, two or three thousand. say about that in general terms 27C¢: recommendations to him. (Note: 1 ultimate over-all global program sible under the circumstances. I Cleared of Korea staying in a pee n ; : missions which have Highlights of testimony yester- and as an American citizen and _ Sen. Knowland—You testified] Upon receipt of those recom- made by which is before the Congress'am sure they scraped the bottom State of belligerency. . . . I ba- me n a8 lished by the govern- day included the following: not as an expert? yesterday that you made a visit|mendations by the Secretary of R. 0.) now, because of any demands of the barred to get them over lieve that a rational treaty could yw a » that the Congress would do! Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge (R. {tg . .. Formosa. I would like Defense from the Joint Chiefs of Do you that might be made in the Far|there g be drawn up with him at that Tay fhe Sloseat attention Mass. 2-=Tligke 18 only ong. point Write Off Nothing, 0 ask hether that visit was Staff. he referred the papers back doctrine to East to carry out the program ¢ ne time. His entire country) ssional advice that is tha would like to have eluci- . sia own to your superiors in Wash- to the Secretary of State, agreethat the Joint Chiefs aan onder. to 1 Ww Dey ae would be in jeopardy... he wotay Shderad by those services. dated: Whether you still advocate Don’t Breach Own Line ington . . . newspaper articles ing with the Joint Chiefs of Staff Refuses visualized and hoped for on Janu. anes nate a Oe Jap. be subject to-attack which might ger. in any condition, they should bombing or only air reconnais-| Gen. MacArthur—I believe the emanated out of Lake Success except in these two points that I Stateme ary 12. lover there I had to utilize Ko. NOt Only overrun the government Cg with it, why, that {s a sance of the enemy bases on the problem is a global one. I be- ipa’ indicated that even some of have brought out. What happened M Sen, Johnson — And the Joint|rean manpower in existence but might threaten io Mie they should go into northern bank of the Yalu. lleve we should defend every i Aliericen diplomatic oficiaisiarier that 1.40 DOL. Know. Bry er r : . ] : nowle rere | ; cee { Chiefs’ plan at present assumes| I issued a directive... that for{ he very security of segments of I pelieve that the professional Gen. MacArthur—I would advo- place from Communism. I believe somewhat rasa Eo any nel J san Rot ficially to ...a total armed force of every rifleman and every battery-| = Lina. . . . sublets on ssional cate that the Chinese, the Red we can. I believe we are able t0.! yigjt y your help ut STV 3 conclusion... S 8,462,000. Now, as I understand man that we had, the Americans, | That he would so recklessly enced Ny ould he largely influ- Chinese government, be served I have confidence in us. {Tie [that that would then leave our ys it, it is your opinion . . . it would there should be a Korean enlisted O¢.Y, the realisms by not accept- sional heads of ce of the profes- notice that if they continued this| gon't believe we should ite Visit to Formosa arrangement for & Ceasavire in ai Full not be necessary to substantially man placed with him, and that IN8 the defeat which would been- 1t ig i hog services. _|type of predatory attack in North os anythin Yow 8 J | waite . |precisely the same position it was Sen. 5) increase (it) . . . that individual, that American, faked by his being forced to stop the last word 3. at Jou aje Korea and refused to consider jofeat that 2 AT 3 "7 Caused by Washington When sur Ulited Nations repre- Tags on) i aggressiv Eek 2S e! . {sentative voted a ood Gen. MacArthur—That is ex- should be the guide and mentor! }'8 Aggressive action in Korea authority. of the voice of the terms of an armistice and cease qont pelieve we should breach 0¢n- MacArthur—My visit wasn Jan. 11 for th gle Success very questi actly correct, Senator. {to teach the Korean. De m to me to be reason- people: but. in Senaral 1 oh fire, that after a reasonable period ,,- own line not only known-but-approved by! . e cease-fire pro- by the Sei Sen. Johnson—I wonder if you F d E I la e. say that the advi ' should of time we should exercise such . Washington. It was really causeq POH! . . . (which) stated specifi- y do not think that some system ' Ofc to Employ | Sen. Johnson—You think it is sional experts ey She Profes- military sanctions and economic The other fellow has the same yy Washington. 1 was charged Co. that they would consider in fon: yo of universal training which would ‘Emasculated’ Divisions {unlikely that if . ,. we were vic- carefully indeed 3 e weighed sanctions as would be necessary Problems that we do. If we have with the defense of Formosa. At the negotiations the turning over {nfluen 3 guarantee that all of our young torious, that we would be re- there are s ecific’ nd unless to force him to stop. That wouid 0 Work on two fronts or three/that time I was heavily engaged of Formosa to Communist China Gent. ‘ia men would be made available! In order to get the force that quired to retain anything like the contrary i 'c reasons to the unquestionably involve bombing fronts or four fronts, so does he; in Korea. But for 10 days before 2nd the admission of Communist details of for service—and they would be | VAS necessary to make the Inchon manpower that we have in Korea with Toast at can be elucidated, lof the bases on the other side of And if we can’t meet him and de-'my visit. I got a ders Mes {China into the United Nations. what the trained young men—would be in. | CNVelopment, I had to take the at this time ...? HORE © on that their advice the Yalu. feat him, our ultimate destruction sages from the Joint Chiefs of Gen. MacArthur—That is core are, the cc Kk 5 {7th Division, which had been prac-| Gen. MacArthur I believe it pcepted .. . is certain. tafr yt a rect. tions I ha voked so that when the nation oo A ead tha WoRIS hot eve (Sen. Johnson referred back to Sen. Lodge—But that proposi- | Staff expressing the gravest con-| Chairman Richard Senator. 1 was threatened we would be pre- ; van 4 cries . Gen. MacArthur's state tion has not been approved or I believe we can; but I believe cern about the situation there. 3 fman. Richard. B. Bussell dgment pared? other three divisions over, and I| Sen. Johnson I got that im- relatively few roong that disapproved by the Joint Chiefs, to let him breach us in any one And in spite of the pressure of (D. Ga.)— . . . if I understand Judem me ; had about flve weeks to bring Pression of your position from would be needed if his Fa froops has it? 4 "sector, that he will overwhelm us the Korean campaign and other your attitude on Formosa, you Pr Ful Uncertain of Worth them up. 8 purported substance of state- program were adopted He ‘ast Gen. MacArthur—I have basic from that sector. I believe it is a things, I decided to go down and think it is so vital to the security ou to say In order to do 80, I placed over ments made at Wake I and. the term “trained” mem.) ¢Q directives that we shall not bomb Principle of war. You may have make the reconnaissance myself Of the United States that we would th Of UMT as Planned 18000 Koreans in that division. 1 te Sed. Bradley—ti *h Army Gen. MAC would " beyond the Yalu. one area in which you concen- and reported that fact. be completely justified in using the RD h . Gen. MacArthiur— ...1 am for/ILOUEHL them over to Japan i ve yeLUFAINg 0 Te A S00n. say very little additional trary Sen. Lodge—And so when you trate more, but’ if you do, you There was a message came aft- yoro in the United Nations against in appropr preparedness, and the maximum 8 e em ree weeks train- Nr ye e F roblem of get- men Senator: very few addin ere listing your four recommen- have got to hold in the other er I reported it and it had been h pan at might cause it to ranted in preparedness, and the maximum | 1 Che 3d Divisi ere ain | for onal ops. to Eu- units y y dations, in your speech to the Areas... : approved, that someone, I. think wily © the hands of any Red world conc utilization of all of our resource.|,. "nq ion aisted «| Division he ould the 2d or 3d | The casualties and flow of COMETeSS, You mentioned air re- Idon't admit that we can't hold it was the State Department, Powers Sen. Ma Now, whether universal military | ar con on exis *oon un b ; vailable to trained (maimed?) men r connaissance, did you not? communism wherever it shows its would prefer some officer other Ur e St t, Sena Yi _ > be sent over to E esulting | 9 S eps to ee peat, training accomplishes that fact! Even i4ay we have-—1 wouldn't APs “urope by Janu- from the savage degree of fight- Gen. MacArthur—Yes. head. {than myself to go down there. y place ourse would have to be pretty carefully a ft Bio ne el “Gen. MacArthur Y ing will probably constantly in. Sen. l.odge—Because that had gen. William F. Knowland But as I was the responsible or. Reds Don’t Get Formosa adequate T considered by me. bwin OR nds Ding ISTP ware) ‘Will ‘make one availabe Sense, , been approved by the Joint Chiefs, (R, Cal)—I noticed in the morn- ficer and was charged with the| Gen. MacArthur — I am not Sen. Ful There are other demands upon Pal Y thou, 0 ‘9 She K Jean | JANUAEY, 1 Woadld roses Sen. Johnhson— . . . I had hoped is that correct? ing papers out of Lake Success, defense, I dectded to go myself. {familiar enough with the United be too per: GUY gnanpower, Whether the total our Hd nits have nev r_ | that the 2d Division be se that I could get from you some G®n. MacArthur — The Joint United Nations, New York, this. Sen. Knowland—I would like to Nations to answer you directly other sena effort to train these great masses ter 10 > : Dave | er— Toned, oy © sm be i specific estimate of the number Chiefs had approved that, yes .. .jarticle by the United Press. It ask you whether, since the out-|: .. but I believe explicitly tat the is, of cou of millions of men, whether in after 10 months of war—been up 0 Sp 0S of additional men that yoy Sen. Lodge—I ask you did you says: break of the hostilities in Korea Steps should be taken by the leader . . . ctual comb 8 . to their combat strength . . . ae rained, and thought yo ; : | Orea, actua mbat “those men would would mak ght your program would re- United States government that Gen. Ma go into the niches for which they I Wish to repeat that I believe ® a better impres- quire Formosa does not fall into Red i statement have been trained, 1 don't *VerY degree of efficiency that “po Gen. MacArthur—It is quite im- hands Sen. Ful Know... was possible — everything that = 00 recall any such ex- possible, Senator. It depe d Sen. Knowland—W from a Spe It is not a question, I think, ¢°uld be humanly done—had heen 8e, General’ upon what the enemy has *pen 3 willina Bn » a3 . ould you be York Time that can be settled by merely ®X¢Tted by the Defense Depart- Offered to Give Up believe that the major thing "Is . DB lo exhr 82 your {gent made a Sp Whether you are for or. whether Mert to send me {lose men, The op, : to take off the inhibitions and tegic ability of th Sica Commerce you are not for it. I am for the Support 1 received from the staffs |FOOPS IN January let us use the maximum of force Chi . t yo e Republic of just a few utilization of the total manpower Nere !8 quite beyond any criticism. Gen. MacArthur Yes, that 1s We have. i Bina lo maintain itself was jeop- secret. . . that we have. Sen. Johnson--You have had aipractically my recollection of it. Sen. Johnson -— And if we do Hg 7 he sions of gue Sen. Ta But whether the program of rather unique experience, horrible You must understand, Senator that. In your judgment certainly Bevict BT omen ’ i ch gave the been one ¢ universal military training all as it has "been, in the early days that that was made on the basis less than, say, 100,000 men would t st a oehold if not tic suppor! youths along practically the same of World War II and the 11 or 10 of the North Korean: War ee likely be required? more in Manchuria?’ point of vi fine. which I underst months of the Korean experi- expect : Gen. MacArthur—I am not very in nderstand iz the pected to close that war out S ks of ‘Units * a policy HAS Teh 3 Snderslana is theirs, Of having 10 1aKE OR MAV-vory dean rls peaks of ‘Units, tamiliar with the Yalta confer- Now, he will . , . produce the greates _ Age enemies almost barehanded. The g aman : ences or anything of that sort, al mar ary fr eaace in Srentest mal I hope ar you go about the — Soran 334 Thin Divisions Not Number of Men but it is the impression in the Far Shull attempt to s2y until I had studied country talking to our citizens United States: I wa continental] Gen. MacArthur- I wouldn't East that one of ‘the gravest mis- says, on | the problem, very, very thorough. 21d Presenting them with a pos- unger those conditi 8 prepared make any estimate on the number takes that was ever made was to did this 1 Ve. J ; itive program, that you will do 10 the 'contrals ons to return of men. The casualties, asi say, permit the Soviet to come down will read t I believe the greatest possible what you can to contribute to authority 8 of the central are reaching staggering propor- into China at Port Arthur, Dairen, “Sen. consideration has got to be given their awareness of the deficiencies "| Would vitw tions. T am talking about the and other places of that sort. States sho to the demands of industry , . that now exist that will not per- concern the Tm the gravest number of combat units, on the Gen. MacArthur—No, sir. of State | You have got to understand that mi Nui Ration jG SUNPIY AL Som of American troo ple Nationing grotna, Sen. Knowland — Gen. Marshall the size of odern 'w mander with the men and the ps to. guard that| Sen. Johnson Well, Gen made a trip out to the Fa b m rn warfare has as its basis, material th Pp border or any oth eral, r East ment, but industry. of TIS Hin in foe tae which the nation Heit rer in\we have to estimaté the number as a special ambassador for the the size o 1 believe that ‘you have got to 3 n. basidlsiionin te ! concerned 'of men required if we embrace President . , . to work with the of General understand that the money that Warns Attackers ROO xpected to Hiese Drograms, and we not poly government: of China relative to MacArthul is involved is not limitless; that (3} : Sen. John Libr 0 estimate them, we have a number of matters. Could I ask ist troops, you have got to get the maximum Give No Notice of rong rere is a school to be able to supply them . . . whether or not 1 ... he consulted nist base efficiency for every penny you Gen. MacArthur—You know the Ey ie 'nited States Gen. MacArthur .T am quite with you on the matters pertain- blockade ( spend acuteness of modern war fs In- eliaves o" Wnould confine sure, Senator. repeat 1. am ing to the Far Fast prior to his The ver I ncald advise jst seriously creasing very vividly. Silgh oF all of our ground quite sure” that the program you mission in China? “At the if I were considering the problem, HK took 4 long time in the old States 0 the continental United just enunciated, of the approxi- Gen. MacArthur-—-Gen. Marshall Senator dt that I would wait and get throu p days before the war machines © did that we should pro- mately three and one-half million passed through Tokyo on his way maintainir Witi the “emergency: that oe {really began to roll. But with the de other nations with nothing men in the Armed Forces. can to China, and he was my guest 3.5 million us now The Y hat hag integration of the world, increase PUt Sea and alr support in the bat- accomplish anything that T would there, but he never discussed (the wreck the + + . Then, on what has|in scientific’ methods of destruc. !!® Against communism, have in mind without pre mission) in any w ,called! for resulted and what exists then, 1 : prejudice to y way, shape or Te Ns $ en, Iitjon, the blow falls much quicker; Gen. MacArthur 1 belleve that other operations. manner . . . million in m ey up the facts, and make that is, you don’'t.get the time !3 the'gravest possible mistake in| Sen. Johnson And that state- Sen. Knowland — . . . Gen. Wede- forces obj 3 al military raining elie 2, prepare that you had in{the Use 07 1ne ig Loreen of ment ki based on a rather. gen- BR - : : meyer was sent out to the Far cut in the ver ‘ ry to draw lines eral knowledge of our o : ¢ . East, both t budget.” z 4 ! ¢ ‘ommit- ; . , o China and Kore the best way So do 3h 1 would un — iad} blow in the next war Of demarcation between ground ments in other parts of the globe? B-29'S OVER KOREA—"| would” advocate that the Chinese ... . be served notice that if they for the purpose of making a To vo sve TH 3 ; ya y well be the decisive blow . . ./troops, air t¥oops, and navy Gen. MacArthur—Correct. And continued . . . this attack . . . and refused to consider terms of an armistice or cease fire . port to the President . . . Might to be abse ne Shtissn-—germe sal do you there is no method by which you|troops. They are an integrated the additional fact that the major should exercise sanctions as would be necessary ‘That would involve bombing of the bases WO I askZ-at the time he made his Gen. M ; agy recollection of ever hav-'san avoid the surprise attack of/team, 7% part of the commitments of pre--the offer side of the Yalu." : Ao ng 9 384-01: & - | 1 addresse . - ein : 2 ; vit 1 me z c : hii) aa > A. : . he - Continued on Page 8—Col.1 +4 Lin I wasn't | : ho | i * ; , s ; . - : P ? i : Fag 2 - ’ - - yi! ‘ 2 2 + : msm anni ni mi Rp tk te A esa Th besoin We 2 ncenpials a - a Te + oe - oT * > 2 i ’ : ’ 4 Es 2 ; CR . : a ) bees ea + iit ies ore tangent ye: 5 re igri vs missin a ee i trrmpieniintiion] - ps " mies fe lbs tempi potion betsy tl pst oe