Indianapolis Times, Indianapolis, Marion County, 27 October 1948 — Page 10

PAGE 10... Groves Suspects Russ Redouble Efforts to Tap A-Bomb Secrets

Wartime Manhattan Project Head Tells of Red Windtalls Through ‘Leaks’

The Russians have redoubled their attempt to steal the secrets of the atom bomb from us, Lieut.-Gen. Leslie R. Groves, Ret., reveals in the following comprehensive interview on aspects of atomic security which he has not been free to discuss prev

They tried all during the war and since then they have buen working even harder, according to the man who had over-all charge of producing mankind's most terrible weapon. : They have had some small successes, too. The writer of this dispatch covered that atom bomb test at Bikini and is an expert on atomic developments,

By JOSEPH LL. MYLER, United Press Staft Correspondent’ SOUTH NORWALK, Conn. Oct. 27—Russia tried to get U. 8. atomic secrets during thé War and is trying even harder now, Lt.| Gen. Leslie R. Groves disclosed today in an interview with the United Press.

“There definitely were Soviet attempts to get our atomic secrets

“And, "

during the war,” the retired chief of the bomb project sald. he added, ‘these attempts un-|— doubtedly are being pushed with | redoubled intensity today.”

a case of somebody talking too much to people he shouldn't have

talked to. It was a fallure to] Now that he no longer is con- . observe the basic principles of snternected with the atomic ente security.”

prise which he guided from its infancy in wartime, Gen. Groves consented to discuss on the rec-| ord matters on which he has been silent up to now. Gen. Groves, now vice presi-| dent of Remington Rand, Inc,

Gen. Groves had something to| say on the issue of security vs. scientific freedom. “This is an important point to be thrashed out,” he said. “Shall| everybody act as he sees fit or is there such a thing as loyalty to cited as one example of Soviet the United States? And who de-/ interest in American atomic mat- termines it? Who draws the line? ters an incident at Hanford, |The liberal too often takes the Wash, {view that he is the judge. It was in the early days of the | “Somebody's got to make the bomb project when .nobody knew rules. . Our extreme liberals fayi for sure whether the $2 billion! nobody has a right to make rule: "undertaking would pay off. Some- |The question. is, ‘When does eh:

: En = tthe. huge. entific. freedom. Sms scientific! Hanan pla ;

““an atomic explosive, ~ 1d from uranium, :

Als 44 right -for- any man. [himaele up above constituted au-| thority in a life or death matter?| Leak to New York | Does any man have the right to| wa WESITRER 2 hours," Gen ONS RIF id Bi ite ENE BE CII TR iy SLI RNR had reached New York, and there| Gen. Groves made it plain that was well-founded suspicion thatine pelieves legislation dealing! it was turned over to a person ‘outside the project’.” But the difficulty was repaired and the Hanford plant went on ‘10 successful production of the stuff to make bombs. Gen. Groves believes the Russians got hold of" “many facts . about the U. 8. atomic bomb project during the war. He so reported to President Truman. But he doubts the Russians knew then how to interpret or what to do with the secrefs they got. And he has not revised his estimate that the Soviets will not be able to manufacture atomic bombs before 1955 at the earliest. “It is my belief, based on Russian actions,” Gen. Groves said, “that the Soviets—no matter what information they got before Hiroshima—did not realize (1) that we were so close to dropping an atomic bomb and (2) what effect it would have on the war. Wonders at Reaction “They knew we were in this re-

should give the “constituted au-| thorities” specific authority to say what shall be secret.

Fabled Super Bomb Having had his say on security, Gen. Groves got a few things off | his chest about such diverse sub-| jects as active clouds,” civilian control project. Asked whether atomic weapons other than the bomb-—radioactive clouds and radioactive dust— have been mentioned speculatively—are likely to be developed, |

and military vs. of the atomic

“We made the bomb. If I had] thought that any other weapon would be a better weapon, I certainly would have aimed at that instead of the bomb.” How about the tremendously more powerful bombs some scientists have forecast? “I am not interested in the fabled super bomb. If we had a search. I don't know just how bomb 100 times heavier than the much they knew. But I don’t one we: have it would not do think they realized how impor-| 100 times as much damage.” tant it was.” Gen. Groves chuckled and sald, He expianed that on he wondered what the reactionirajis off so rapidly with in Moscow was to some of the| that up reports sent back by Russiani energy release does not mean a spies. Take the Oak Ridge, Tenn. proportionate increase in damage! plant where explosive Uranium- gone. 235 was separated by a tedious] Op the issue of atomic control, process from non-explosive U-238./Gen. Groves said he does not Tons of material went in one end: favor placing it completely in Practically nothing came out the military hands. He is for civilian other, : control up to a point, If a Russian agent got a re-| “But the influence of the mili-| port and sent it to Moscow say-|tary should not be as completely ing thousands of persons were ignored as ‘it is today,” Gen. employed in a plant which pro-|Groves said. “At present the duced nothing, I wonder,” Gen military viewpoints and requireGroves said, how the report was/ments are not given the considIne) Hisy. know what eration they should receive in view of the to do with them or not, the Rus- : Be rio sians did get a lot of atomic secrets. The big secret is how much atomic explosive—the “critical assembly” —has to be brought suddenly together for an explo-/ sion to take place. Gen. Groves said frankly, don’t know that the Russians got |

distance

with matters affecting security|

“super bombs,” “radip-|

Gen. Groves answered this way:|

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THE INDIANAPOLIS TIMES

WEDNESDAY, OCT. 27, 1948

Around the World—

Call Resignation Way fo Peace

Chiang’s Foes Demand He Quit

‘Progressive Bloc’ in Legislature

United P Suggestions for peace With the Communists and the resignation of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek as a drastic means of savifig the hinese Nationalists: from total collapse now is hardening into agitation, well-informed sources told the United Press today. This agitation presently is confined to a small minority in legislative Yyan and Kuomintang. But it is a growing minority and 'case, he said, there were other

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Eight Vandalism | Cases Reported

a Allied brik g Police this morning received six ters concer alleg ribery 10 renorts of vandalism from Indianoo the prosecution of a football apolis residents an x two trom Pos. Attlee presented in the/Marion County residents. house a motion to sel up a tri-| Albert E. Bell, 1910 Valley Ave. bunal to. inquire into allegations gaid three tires on his car were involving government ministers punctured with an icepick last and officials. inight. Guy Stewart, 2117 Langley In addition to the football pool Ave, reported two punctured tires.

Vandals last night took the gas

likely to have effects on the fu-|

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quarters from pessimism to de- |lation.” featism, The Nationalist collapse now is Korea generally conceded as a real dan-| ger because of the planned abandonment of Manchuria. That conclusion is drawn from ‘the traditionally accepted Chinese maxim

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China.” | Situation Dark | discouraging

The government's military sittoday. It has lost three of its best|

past months.

corridor is now considered lost. |rebellion,

{gested—peace with the Commu-| |nists, the resignation of Chiang Germany |and the all-out American military Thirteen

ture trends of Chinese politics, it Douglas MacArthur denied re- similar allegations.” One related (ports that Allied headquarters) The new agitation reflects a would change its labor policy. trend in official and semiofficial He branded the reports *

Korean rightist leader Kim With 10, 000 Pheasants | today that United States has failed politi-| cally in South Korea.” h ts th bout the stat easan ro ou e state. “who controls Manchuria controls Ti im paid i so brand P ug those {leaders who seek national unity through ‘compromise with uatton admittedly looks darkest ES 3p the north. Meanwhile loyalist and rebel where natural cover and food are the front porch of the latter's generals, as well as roughly 200,-|tryops were still fighting in the available and liberation is ex- home. 000 of its best troops during the gtreets of Yosu, The Manchurian of the week-old south Korean ing day of the three-day hunting thorne Lane, said his mailbox was

according to a 8gov-, season, Nov. 11. Three ways out have been Sug- ernment communique.

important imilitarists were cleared today by|

matters “which seemed to involve cap and broke the windshield wip-

jers and radio antenna off an autoto the flotation of a public com-| mobile belonging to Mrs. Herbert wi {pany and the other to an applica-| |S Larmon, 14 Meridian Lane ‘8p u-| tion for a building Neense. | Mrs. Aaron Glick, 5762 Washing(ton Blvd.,, also complained the Hunting to Be Pleasant | ‘windshield wipers and radio an{tenna were broken off her car,

A rock was thrown through the The Indidna Department cf screen door and back door glass |Conservation is releasing. 10,000 at the’home of Mrs. Zadah Jones, {968 Elm St.

| le birds, Windows were soaped at the All male birds, the department! of Mrs. Willi E. Shi

southern said they are excess, not needed homes tor Fon Fh purposes. (ley, 1549 Valley Ave. and Mrs, Conservation officers are re- Roger Humphrey, 309 N. Franklin [leasing the pheasants in |Rd. A light bulb was stolen Yrom

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U. S. Statement

WASHIN GTON, Oct.

rent fiscal year through pared with a yar 8°,

Expenses

Lost Year

Receipts ,11,152,720,381 1,630,151,060 Surplus 362, Ky 095 97,653,083 Cash Balance 4.613,476,142 3,905,636,701 | Public Debt 252,307,228 451 250,062,716,534 Gold Reserve 23,994.070,886 22,225,171,033 INDIANAPOLIS €© LEARING HOUSE arings +8 R,3504, 009 ebits 19, 443,000

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