Indianapolis Times, Indianapolis, Marion County, 13 November 1940 — Page 17
WEDNESDAY, NOV.- 13, 1940
| PITTSBURGH, | Nov. 13.—Other states in the East will have to duplicate the new Pennsylvania Turnpike ‘or bear the stigma of traffic old-fashionedness. Such highball highways |as this aren’t needed in the West. Well, yes, they are, too. They're needéd around Seattle, and the congested Puget Sound district. They're needed on the Pacific Coast. Between the coast and Chicago they aren't needed. \ But the over-populated - East must have them or eventually go crazy. And when they build the next one I hope they’ll hook it up to the center of town at both ends. This Pennsylvania Turnpike dumps you off onto the regular highway some 21 miles east of Pittsburgh— leaving you to fish your way into : : Pittsburgh in the same old way. ' Getting into Pittsburgh on a dark, rainy evening is a major problem in any driver's life. For what shall it profit a man if he gain two hours in 160 miles and lose his soul getting into Pittsburgh? ' However, this magnificent” high-speed Turnpike wasn’t built just to/get people betweens Pittsburgh and Harrisburg more quickly. It was built partly to save people’s -lives. It probably has more scientific safety welded into it than any other road in America. There isn’t a‘ curve you can’t see safely around. The hill “peaks” are so flat you could see a brick lying on the pavement a quarter mile away. The shoulders are 10 feet wide, and firm and solid. And along every curve is an elastic| steel sheet forming a guard rail that will sort of bounce you back if you start off- the road. There is no on-coming traffic.
A Stop a Midway
Almost the only way an accident could happen is through mechanical failure, or at the hands of some fool who fares forth on accident bent. But of course ‘there are such peaple, and already there have been accidents on this safest of roads. There are 10 filling stations alang the Turnpike, on alternate sides [of the road. You must use the ones on your side. [You can’t cross the road to a lefthand station. The ones on your side are about 30 miles apart,
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Inside Indianapolis (And “Our Town”)
MEMBERS of the National ready for their expected call to will be interested to learn that
npiaNAFoLIS Guard, now gettin, training in January, their destination— idly becoming a self-sufficient city in itself. | Thirteen thousand civilian employees are at work in Camp ®elby, working three eight-hour |shifts, and one Indianapolis officer down there on an inspection [visit says that he went to sleep in a tent and woke up in the morning to find a barracks sitting here there had been nothing but praise the night before. That, of course, is a little exreme, but the truth is that by the time the 37th (Ohio), and 8th (Ihdiana, Kentucky and West irginia), Divisions arrive in Camp Shelby, there will be quarters for some 45,000 or 50,000 men. Maj. Gen. Ro . rt H. Tyndall will take about 10,000 men down with his 38th Division and then will requisition draftees to bring the Division up to its quote strength pt 22,000 men. Every effort is going to be made to have the Indiana draftees assigned to the Indiana regiments. Camp Shelby will be a far cry from World War training camps. It will have a complete sewage system, a $350,000 laundry, electric kitchens, eleetric lights in tents, etc}, etc. Only thing is that the soldiers will soon find out that it will be no| more, no less than what it pretends to be—a'-base camp.
Keeping You Posted
. "ONE OF THE MOST curious Government exhibits . this town has ever seen will be here Friday. It's
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Nov. 13.—The question of aiding t to broaden out into the shipping field. That would create new problems for this country
and might involve ‘even reconsideraiton of the neutrality act restrictions on American shipping. Some laid-to-Britain groups are talking labout a public campaign for repeal lof the restrictions. For several mcenths Britain has lost shipping at a fairly heavy irate, more than half of what it - was during the critical winter of 11917 when we entered the previous war. The British expect this rate ito go still higher for two reasons. First, the Axis has found that air 'bombardment alone is not crush\ing England and apparently is {turning more and more to the
attack on shipping that almost brought Britain: to her knees before. Secondly, Germany has been building a Jarge number of submarines which are now coming into service. * Churchill has warned of the probability of intensified submarine warfare in coming mohths. He says it is a graver menace than air raids. The Sritish have been putting heat on Eire in an effort, thus far in vain, to obtain the use of ports on the Irish coast. British’ difficulties are increased by the fact that shipping must travel longer routes than in the previous war, Germany having closed off the entire continent of Europe. | : Shipyards to Expand Just as Britain} has looked to the United States for aircraft, so e is beginning to look in this direction for protection against threatened shipping stringency. ; The first moves to build British ships in America are being made.| Probably our own shipbuilding facilities will be vastly expanded to provide additional ways for merchant ships destined for Britain. This will be in addition to our own large construction program. As our gwn merchant craft near completion it is likely that a will be heard to release this
tonnage to Britain. Already the British have pur-
My Day
i DETROIT, Mich, Tuesday.—In the last few days poth England and the United States have suffered the loss of two well-known statesmen. Senator Key Pittman has been in the Senate for many years. His' service is a matter of record. He was liked by the . | men_ with whom he worked. He kept his hold over his constituency and carried more weight in public affairs than the population of his state would indicate. As younger men come along to take their place on the political® stage, they will often hear Senator Pittman’s name. He will not be forgotten in the traditions of this ~honfrable and important branch of our Government. Neville Chamberlain, in England, served his country through des- : perale times. Many people have his policy toward Germany was unwise an i a rhs it would be fair to say that his’ training and his inclination fitted him for different times and different service, He did his best according to his background, He wanted peace and worked for it. That he failed was due to the times in which he lived and the men with whom he had to cope. He must have suffered greatly and history will record that
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Hoosier Vagabond = By Ernie Pyle
dollars and was built in the miraculously short time of
Near Bedford, at exactly the half-way point on the highway, is the one big stop of the trip. It is called Midway. Scores and sometimes hundreds of cars are parked there. 2 On the right side of the road, coming west, is a filling station and lunch room, and big parking lots. Just opposite, on the other side of the Turnpike, is,a huge and lovely stone building." It looks like a country club. It @s one of the famous Howard Johnson restaurants. People get from one side of the road to the other by a foot tunnel. No walking or driving across the Turnpike is permitted. Cars race through this little thetropolis ‘like racers. Qn the Speedway at Indianapolis. And everybody is safe. We had lunch at Midway. We stopped on a miserably cold and rainy day, when there weren't many people on the road. Yet tourists were standing in line to get tables in the vestaurant. : :
Science ‘1s Wonderful Incidentally, I must say a word about the toilet seats at Midway. They fold up into a little cabinet, and are bathed in a lovely purple light—as though they were Old Masters on exhibit. This light is an ultraviolet ray, which sterilizes thém. Sterlizes the seats and charms and delights the customer. Scienge is
wonderful. The Pennsylvania Tufnpike cost around 70 million
22 months. The WPA donated around 30 million dollars and the RFC loaned the rest. This is to be paid back through tolls. It costs $1.50 to drive a passenger auto the entire length. If you go only part way, it costs about a cent a mile. : Trucks are allowed on the Turnpike—in fact encouraged—and their tos run from $3 up to $10 for a one-way trip, depending on the load. Even at these tolls, they say, trucking companies save money by using the Turnpike. : They figure the Turnpike will pay for itself by 1954, and then. it will be a free road. It seems to me there is one very unsound premise in such a financial estimate as that, and I don’t know why the Government ever allowed it. What I mean is—what right have they to presume, the way things look now, that 1954 will ever come? ay \ /
the Post Office Department's official traveling exhibit for stamp collectors. Honest! The rolling exhibit (a truck), left Washington on
amp Shelby, Mississippi—is rap- #May 15, 1932, and has been touring the country, visit-
ing philatelic conventions and shows, schools and post offices. Included in the collection is every postage stamp issued by the U. S. since 1847, a miniature rotary press and other stamp-making paraphernalia. 1f we told you how much the exhibit was worth you'd think we were talking about the national debt.
At Least It Had Feathers
GEORGE L. DENNY and his son, George H., have been grooming their bird dog. Ruby, to razor-edge
for the hunting season. The other day the Dennys |
packed Ruby into the car and off to the hunting they went, As they drove onto the farm, they commented on how wild Ruby was to get out and go to work. Well, that dog just leaped right out and landed squarely on a guinea hen. . We'd give almost anything to know what George Denny said to George Denny.
Pan-Americanism—
OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY people certainly believe in spreading their sphere of influence. Take Miss Margery Wood, a library assistant at the Teacher's Special Branch at Meridian and Ohio. Miss Wood sat down the other evening and copied several pages from the Columbia University syllabus on library administration and sent it together with a bibliography on the subject to Senorita Magda Arce in Santiago, Chile, a former classmate. The seniorita is going to teach next summer at the University of Chile and if everything comes along all right she’ll have Miss Wood and the Indianapolis Library to thank. -
By Raymond Clapper
chased a number of our old cargo ships. Our own Navy has been requisitioning merchant shipping for conversion to transport use. = In all, there is comparatively little merchant tonnage that could now be turned over to Britain. Nevertheless transfer of registry will’ be urged for such as is available. . Purthermore, agitation is coming up for repeal of the restrictions in the neutrality act which keep American shipping out of the war zones. When war began, much of our active shipping was transferred. to routes out of the danger zone. It will be urged that this shipping be restored to service for carryin supplies to Britain, .
Strong Opposition Likely
That proposal, which is expected to come from aid-to-Britain groups, is likely to create considerable argument. One reason we have had so little war fever in this country is that there have been no incidents, such as the sinking of American ships and loss of American life, to inflame the public. For that we can thank the neutrality act, which has kept our ships out of the danger zones. To send them back into these dangerous waters would be to invite attack and certain trouble. There is likely to be strong opposition to such a step. Less opposition would be raised to transferring American ships to British registry. . The, rebuilding of the American merchant marine,’ which had become obsolete during the 20 years after the World War, was just getting under way when the present war began through a 500-ship program to extend over 10 years. How much of this we will be willing to transfer to the British is a question. President Roosevelt has just announced a rule of thumb under which roughly half of our military plane production will be available to England, Some such rule of thumb may be applied to merchant shipping. ’ The British have now put the Queen Elizabeth back into service, having kept her tied up at New York since the war began. The Queen Mary put back to sea some time ago. England could scarcely have made any kind of case here regarding shipping with her two largest and fastest liners hidden safely away in New York harbor.
By Eleanor Roosevelt
he, at least, dealt honorably with the people whom he approached. We arrived in Chicago yesterday afternoon, oblivious [of the fact that one of the worst of winter's storms had been raging through the Middle West for several hours. But we no sooner emerged on the street, than we were conscious of the high wind and the swirling snow. One of the biggest street signs in Chicago was blown down, windows were broken, people were battered about. Toward late afternoon, the storm spent itself and when we went out for the evening, the wind had practically disappeared. I lectured at a forum, where I spoke some four years ago. Then a night train brought us to Detroit this evening. Here again, there are signs of the storm everywhere. The little square outside of the Statler Hotel is filled with broken glass. One of the highest radio towers was blown down, When nature goes on the rampage, we mortals discover how puny human beings and their works really are. In Rumania, the earthquake seems to have’ accomplished in a few short hours what all the aviators of Great Britain have tried unsuccessfully to do for weeks—fires are raging, oil wells_are destroyed and Herr Hitler can direct his rage at no human hand. In this case it looks as though nature was against him, The sun is out and the day looks most inviting, and shortly I shall visit some WPA projects.
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By Joe Collier HERE are reasons to suppose that Indianapolis will have its smokiest
season this winter.
Because of increased industrial activity and extensive construction to new homes, there will be about 30 per cent more coal burned this year than last For several months, now, coal imports [into Indianapolis have stayed at that level above last year’s and coal and railroad men expect em to continue so through the heavy firing season. It is certain, also, that industrial boilers: which were not fired the last| few seasons will be pressed into service and will not be in the best of shape to burn fuel economically, without smoke. Of all the new heating units installed inl homes during the summer, between 80 and 85 per cent will burn|solid fuels—coal or coke. That's pne side of the problem. 2 o ” N THE other hand, there are reasons to hope that in spite of the increased consumption of coal, the winter will not be a continuous nauseous experience with
DEFENSE CALLS
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Robert |McKeand, Eugene Balcom|Resign; Emory W. Bryan Given Leave.
The role |of schools in national defense was lemphasized last night by the School Board as it accepted resignation of two teachers and granted leave to a third for service in the United States armed forces and apprgved a high school rifle range. Resignations were submittted by Robert W. McKeand and Eugene Balcom, both electrical shop assistants at Tech High School, who have started service with the U. S. Naval Reserve. Leave was granted to Emory W. Bryan, Tech drafting teacher, who has enrolled in Government air training service. ’
Rifle Range Voted The rifle range, which is expected
{to be constructed by the end of this
semester, was for Shortridge High School. range will be built in the basement of the school for the use of R. O. T. C. cadets. A sum of $325 was appropriated for its construction. Tech and Manual Training High Schools now have rifle ranges. Appointments, all at Tech, included: Alvin C. Shumm, drafting; James H. RatclMfe and Lyman E. Patterson, assistants in the electrical shop; Lois Nickerson,- assistant’ in| the vocational department, and Andrew E. Smith, evening school. : The Board also approved payment of $2524.03 for architects’ fees for the newly constructed School 86; $328.16 for architectural services on the Washington High School cafeteria addition; and $3175.40 to contractors for the addition.
0. K. Appropriations
Other appropriations approved on recommendation of A. B. Good, business manager, were: $368.34 for printing equipment; $297.50 for supplemental text books, and $6480.86 for rental’ books. : Resignation of a custodian, suspension of a night watchman and transfer of three custodians were approved. Charles M. Foster, Henry Toppe and Harry A: Poe were named as janitors.
QUEEN ELIZABETH HEADS INTO OCEAN
NEW YORK, Nov. 13 (U. P.).— The 85,000-ton liner Queen Elizabeth was somewhere at sea today, probably on the way to become a British troop transport. The largest liner in the world slid down the Hudson yesterday under sealed orders, carrying 900 sailors. Maritime men say the Queen Elizabeth will accommodate soldiers.
SEEK ADJOURNMENT WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 (U. P). —Speaker Sam Rayburn announced today leaders of both houses will seek sine die adjournment of Congress next Tuesday, Nov. 19. He said that the House Democratic leaders had sent telegrams to all Democratic Repre-
sentatives urging them to. be on hand for the vote,
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A smoggy morning in Indianapolis. Though this picture was taken about 8 a. m. one morning last winter, some motorists felt it safer to drive with their lights on. City officials are hoping that by co-operation in the proper firing of furnaces such scenes will not be repeated too often this year.
“A Federal law has put a floor under coal prices and Don Sullivan, secretary of the ‘Indiana Coal Merchants’ Association, believes that will materially relieve the smoke menace. Poor coal, which used to retail in Indianapolis for as little. as $450 a ton, now will have to sell at perhaps $6 a ton. That type of coal makes smoke when carelessly burned in domestic furnaces but it can be burned smokelessfy in well-equipped industrial boilers. Mr. Sullivan believes that now, since the differential is less between such coal and the. better grade, most householders will pay the smaller difference and get the better, less smoky, coal.” Mr. Sullivan also says that the program of educating the small merchant, small commercial fuel burner and the householder-is annually making progress. These things ‘about the annual winter soot bath are certain. There will be many days in which the peculiar meteorological conditions conducive to the smogs. exist. There are days when the wind
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limitation law administration.
thing like this:
REPUBLICAN
No new taxes. Adjust retailers’ gross tax rates. Reassessment of all real estate in 1942. More rigid enforcement of tax limitation law.
from city tax. Reduce gasoline tax,
REPUBLICAN
Abolish “Two Per Cent” Club system, : Merit system for penal, correctional and benevolent instituions. Keep inventory of State property to prevent private usé by officials. Remove Board of Education from political control. Repeal of the Reorganization Act which centralizes appointive power in the Governor,
REPUBLICAN
Eliminate unfair competition between prison labor and free labor. ; Support laws to safeguard health and lives of workers. Extend to public employees the same standards of pay “and hours enjoyed by private industry.
REPUBLICAN
Free text books. Eliminate” unnecessary changes in text books.
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Provide liberal old-age pensions ' on a pay-as-you-go basis. Repeal law authorizing state to "require liens on homes of needy ; aged persons.’ 3
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the G. O. P. platform states.
Exemption of municipal utilities
Eliminate duplication of relief |
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velocity is four miles an hour or less, generally from the southeast, and when a high pressure atmos-
pheric area has passed over the
city and is centered down somewhere over Tennessee, Kentucky of West Virginia.
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ENERALLY these days are clear, except "for the smog, and the Rverage smog blankets the city from early morning until from 9 to 11 a. m. when the wind picks ‘up and- blows the smoke out to the country, scattering it. It takes an eight-mile-an-hour breeze or better to free the city of a smog. : The other truism in connection with the coming smogs is that almost certainly 70 per cent of the smoke: production of the city will be due to householders—the domestic, inexpertly fired home furnaces.
Persons who have studied the smoke problem for years here have united in their estimate that domestic firings have the lion’s share of responsibility.
Platforms of Governor And Legislature Compared
By WILLIAM CRABB One day next January a Democrat Indiana Governor will tell a Republican Legislature what he thinks it should do during the 61 days it
How much weight Governor-elect" Henry Schricker’s words will have remains to be seen. Buf a comparison of the platform on which the G. O. P. legislative majority was elected with the platform adopted by the Democratic State Convention on which Mr. Schricker campaigned might have some idea which way the wind is blowing. Certain reforms are pledged by both parties. pect adjustment of their gross income tax rate. promised frée textbooks for their children. Property owners are pledged a reassessment of real estate values and the strengthening of the tax
Retailers can exParents have been
Laid side by side, the planks of the two platforms shape up some.
Taxation
DEMOCRAT
No ‘new taxes. Adjust retailers’ gross tax rates. Reassessment of all real estate in 1941, Retain tax limitation law. Reduce number of reports a taxpayer must make.
Patronage
DEMOCRAT
Retain “Two Per Cent Club” system. Retention of present ‘merit plan and encouragement of additional training.
Labor
DEMOCRAT
Continued liberalization of Workmen’s Compensation Law, Continued development of State Labor Division.
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Education
* DEMOCRAT Free text books.
, Continue payment of $700 per
teaching unit from state funds. Keep inviolate the Teacher Retirement Fund. Provide for + rehabilitation of crippled children. Lend all possible aid to adult education. : Maintain safe school transportation. .
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Social Security
DEMOCRAT
Make Indiana Welfare Act Conform with Federal Social Social : Security Act to raise maximum pension to $40, half paid by 8.
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- One of the bitterest points of controversy on the floor of the legislature /probably will pe the control of the liquor industry. its platform, the Democratic party commends the present control centered in the Alcoholic Beverages Commission and pledges
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strengthen the law as “experience points the way.” . e Republican Party, on the other hand, scores “hypocrisy, profiteering and invisible government” in centralization of liquor control: This would include local authority to grant and reject licenses and the elimination of the state excise policy,
the present system and favors de-
Years ago industrial managers
realized: that scientific . firing which resulted incidentally in the reduction of smoke, was just plain good business. It increased boiler efficiency. The smoke problem has very serious economic aspects, both in property and in public health. Smoke accounts for thousands of
dollars property loss a year and every winter the economic loss from respiratory infections induced or aggravated by the smoke amounts to thousands of dollars in wages or services lost.
By and large, then, it is the
householder who creates the smoke and the, householder who breathes it and gets sick.
HIS being so, George Popp Jr., building inspector and city . smoke engineer, has formulated these rules for furnace firing which he says will reduce smoke, make the city healthier, and save the average citizen
CLOSE U. S. LINK TO MEXICO SEEN
Defense Harmony Expected With F. D. R. Recognition Of Camacho as Chief.
WASHINGTON, Now 13 (U. P.).— President Roosévelt’s recognition of "Gen. Manuel Avila Camacho as President-elect of Mexico was expected today to lead to improved relations and closer co-operation on hemispheric defense problems between the United States and Mexice. Administration officials expected defense co-operation to include construction of one, two, 'or perhaps more, air and naval bases on the West Coast of Mexico which American warships and airplanes could use to guard thie Panama Canal. Camacho, according to spokesmen who claim to speak for him, is anxious to inaugurate a strictly business administration, and will seek the closest co-operation with the United States in financial, economic, political and military affairs. This Government’s recognition of Camacho, who is scheduled to be inaugurated on Dec. 1, was announced by the State Department last night. It said that President Roosevelt has appointed Henry A. Wallace, Vice President-elect, to pepresent him at the ceremonies with the rank of Ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary. Camacho, was the victor in a hard-fought election helll last July 7, but his victory was challenged by his ‘leading competitor, Juan Andreu Almazan. Almazan has been in the United States for several months and has repeatedly asserted that he expects to be inaugurated.
MERCHANT MARINE'S EXPANSION FORECAST
BUFFALO, N. Y, Nov. 13 (U.P.). —Development of a vast United States merchant marine and establishment of a “permanent agency” to direct interstate commerce were predicted today by high-ranking Government officials. » Thomas M. Woodward, vice chairman of the U. 8S. Maritime Commission, and Joseph B. Eastman, Inter~ state Commerce Commission, spoke last night at a Buffalo Transportati Club dinner attended by presidents of a score. of major railroads. Mr. Woodward said the Maritime Commission was attempting to serve the nation “by developing a merchant marine fleet which will.be valuable in times of peace and essential in a national emergency.” “Under the commission’s . program,” he said, “the United States at the end of 1948 will have a fleet of 500 merchant vessels of all necessary types—cargo, cargo-and-pas-senger and tanker, none of which will be more than 10 years old.” Mr. Eastman said that only the Government, -in his opinion, “is in a position to supply disinterested leadership with respect to transportation‘in its entirety.”
OGAROLE LANDIS GETS DECREE HOLLYWOOD, Nov. 13 (U. P.).— Carole Landis, blond film actress, has béen granted an interlocutory decree of divorce from yacht broker Willis Hunt Jr, on her. testimony
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money in fuel and wages and doctor hiils. Here they are, and remember, it’s your nose: Clean out the grate and ashpit before building a fire, Then place the coal in the fire pit, sloping up from the grate to the door, using sniall lumps, nqne bigger than your fist. Thtow a small wad of paper on the coal at; the lower edge, cover with kine dling and light. Leave the drafts open and the fire door ajar until the coal is well lighted. For regular firing, shake the gate and clear back a portion of the firepot with a poker. Fresh coal should be placed in front of the hot coals, near the door. You should! learn about draft sion in the middle of the firepit by moving live coals| in a ring around the side and then place new coal in the depression. You should lear nabout draft doors, check doors and other rege ulators essential to the operation of the furnace from your furnace man ‘or through an understanding of their functions and intelli gent experimentation. | Never smother the fire with new coal; always keep the ash pit clean; don’t shake the grate excessively, and don’t use lumps that are too large.
Sky Show
The Star-Gazers Will Look for the
Leonids
TOMORROW AND FRIDAY night are nights of “hope for proe fessional astronomers and amae teur star-gazers. i Those ‘are the nights for the famous Leonid meteors which at the height of the _ 1833 shower “fell like snow.” Again in 1866 the Leonids were so brilliant that the whole sky seemed to be raining fire. Never since have the Leonid meteors given as good a show but each year on Nov. 14 and 15 astronomers watch for them in the northeastern sky. The names of meteor showers come from the constellation in which the meteors appear to originate. Thus the Leonids seem to radiate from a point in Leo (the Lion), the Draconis from a. spgt in Drago, etc. The constellation Leo comes over the northeastern horizon about midnight. From then until dawn the number of meteors increases. On almost any clear night in various parts. of the sky meteors may be seen at the rate of about six to 10 an hour. Any number greater than vhat is considered a “shower.” It is rare that they oc« - cur more often than one a minute although the 1833 Leonids had a maximum rate of 10,000 an hour,
TEST YOUR. KNOWLEDGE
1—Which state not bordering on salt water has the longest shores line? 2—Was 1900 a leap yeai? 3—Was Michael Faraday a scientist, painter or historian? : 4—On which continent are the Itals ian colonies Libya and Eritrea? 5—For what was: John Augustus Roebling famous? ; 6—Which weighs more per cubie foot, lead or mercury? T7—Who was the Democratic nominees for President against William McKinley in 1806? 8—What were the names of Chrise topher Columbus’ sons?
Answers 1—Michigan. 2—No. be 3—Scientist. 4—Africa, 5—Bridge building. 6—Mercury. T—William Jennings Bryan. 8—Diego and Ferdinand. : ss.
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