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Give Light and the People, Will Find Their Own Way - WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 1940

THAT BUDGET ERROR

HE silence of city officials following the discovery of their million dollar budget error is understandable. It is an unpleasant thing, like finding a skeleton unexpectedly in the family closet, and about as hard to hide. However, the city is going to have to live with that miscalculation for several years. And either the taxpayers will have to make it good or the city will have to economize more stringently than at any time in recent years. We recommend the latter, and for this reason: Ostensibly the city has been operating on a tight] budget, with very little fat accumulating in the various departments. But we suspect there is actually more fat, more waste, more unnecessary duplication and over-lapping than is realized. It will be healthy to start paring at some of these op- | erations,’ to start centralizing scattered functions, and to make some of those purely political job-holders either justify their existence or get out. Let’s see what can be accomplished with a more tightly knit city operation. We hazard the guess now that the city can do a better | job without damage to a single essential city service.

TWO SOUTHERN TRADITIONS A STORY going the rounds a couple of years ago ran like ! this: | A Northerner met a Southerner and their talk turned to politics. The Southerner complained bitterly of the way the Washington Government was sticking its clammy hands into the private lives and business of citizens. Furthermore, he lamented, the pryamiding public debt was certain to bring misery to his children. “Did you vote for Mr. Roosevelt in 1932?” asked the Northerner. | “Sure I did,” said the Southerner. cratic candidate.” “How about 1936?” “He was the nominee, so I voted for him again.” “And what if he tries for a third term in 1940?”

“Ile was the Demo- |

Fair

Price in Marion Coun- |’

ered by carrier, 12 cents |

| string gangs of pol

Enough

By Westbrook Pegler

| | With the Democratic Party Housing

| A Goodly Quota of Chiselers, F. D.R. | Has No Grounds for Lecturing Labor

| EW YORK, Sept. 18.—I take as my text that portion of President Roosevelt's speech to the teamsters’ union wherein he said tHBat government is determined to help labor unions clean house of those “few” persons who have betrayed them. To that I would reply, “listen to who's talking.” The man who is determined to help labor clean house is himself the head of an . organization that is infested with free-style enemies of every decent principle of the American people and of the liberties which Mr. Roosevelt was hired to uphold. He is in league with the two most corrupt political mobs in the United States—the Hague machine in New Jersey and the Kelley-Nash machine in Chicago —and with most of the seconditical corruptioneers. His nomination in Chicago, so short a time ago that the reek of that occasion still obscures the wholesome stench of the yards, was accomplished under the political and social auspices of some of the very same persons

| whom he now proposes to remove from the ranks of | labor.

Mr. Roosevelt maintains in Washington and elsewhere in the country a horde of parasites whose character and nominal or mock duties parallel those of the cooties in the seams of labor's shirt. = = ”

N general, the New Deal or Social-Democratic Party is a Gutzom Borglum version of the Amer-

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WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 18, 1940

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ican Federation of Labor—a fact which has been |

| noted, incidentally, by Dan Tobin, the president of |

the teamsters, who was President Roosevelt's host on |

this occasion. The leaders of the international unions derive their power from the leaders of the local unions, some of whom are crooks and known to the international leaders as such. The question is whether to fight

| them and risk defeat for re-election at their hands

or play ball with them and thus assume an obliga-

| tion to connive at their exploitation of the rank and | file.

Honest men, of whom it is a pleasure to say that Mr. Tobin is one, shut their eyes and hold their nose. That has been Mr. Tobin's own policy, and it will be noticed in the text of his own remarks to the convention which Mr. Roosevelt addressed that he was careful not to refer to crooks in other unions than his own and to say that the crooks in the teamsters’

union were not many. on

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N the big national body, the American Federation

of Labor, just as in the national councils of President Roosevelt's party, thanks to their power to deliver the vote, crooks are treated kindly by men whose protestations of virtue and altruism become a miserable fake in such company. And President Roosevelt, as head of the Social-Democratic Party and the cooperative colleague of political mobsters, is on no better ground than William Green of the A. F. of L.,

| and certainly is not qualified to lecture any union

on the need of cleaning house. Tobin's position in the A. F. of L. may be com-

| pared to that of Harold Ickes in the Social-Demo-

cratic Party. He sits in with men whom he knows

| to be dangerous enemies of the little man, and Mr.

Ickes, gulping down many a jagged wofd of his own utterance against the political racketeers of Chicago and Jersey City, makes political fellowship with them

to the total discredit of his own professed concern |

for the rights and liberties of the people. Their rea-

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| Buu if 1t were even later, I couldn't let the going of

Gen. Johnson Says—

Pays Tribute to Speaker Bankhead Who Gave Himself Without Stint To the Service of His Country

EW YORK, Sept. 18—This is pretty late for a piece about the passing of Speaker Bankhead, “ great man pass without at least the tribute of a sigh, These Bankheads have been Southern public men in the very finest of American tra= ditions—father and three sons, The father of the late Speaker and present Senator Bankhead was also a Senator. A third brother was a cadet at West Point in my time and became an able and beloved officer in our Army. They were all much alike in appearance and more alike in character—courteous, considerate, brave, loyal, gentle and kind. Those are a lot of adjectives but I considered every one before I wrote it and I couldn't fairly or accurately have omitted any. I never met anybody, associate or opponent, in public life or out, who didn't have about that opinion of these men, which is a remarkable circumstance indeed. The late Speaker was noted for all these qualities and, nothwithstanding intense party loyalty, for leans ing over backward to be fair to the opposition mi

| nority.

| Garner, Rainey, Byrns and Bankhead.

| Deal school.

Speaker, Sam Rayburn, is exactly of their type.

| called them Southern feudalists. | Deal tangents must have irked them sore,

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HE House of Representatives has been fortunate in this respect in all its Democratic Speakers— All but one of them were Southern Democrats of the old pre-New They fell naturally to those positions hy reasons of seniority. They had been in there bearing the heat and burden of the day in all the lean and hungry years of Republican ascendancy. The new

Extreme New Dealers were skeptical of them and Some of the New The South has shared fairly in New Deal handouts, but it has come in for a good many New Deal slights. It is losing

| its export markets for cotton by reason of Mr, Wal-

| states rights has been badly bent.

It doesn't like to be stigmatized by Its traditional doctrine of It felt a necessity

lace's farm policy. anti-lynching proposals.

*| in its own protection for the two-thirds convention rule in nominating candidates for President and in-

The Hoosier Forum

I wholly defend to

disagree with what you say, but will the death your right to say it.—Voltaire.

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DRAFT UNNECESSARY,

MOTHER OF TWO SAYS

By Mrs. 0. C. Neutzman “Sacrifices Are Ahead”’—Times Editorial, Sept. 14, quote: “The Lord

knows it is not pleasant to contem-|

plate hundreds of thousands of

young men being required to carve a year out of their lives for such unproductive: training.”

business as military

Instead of what you say following

| Republicans. In the future, if I were| [in your place I don't believe I would | | take it upon myself to express the! sentiments of the people on the , [South Side. Make |

(Times readers are invited

to express their views in

these columns, religious con- |

| troversies excluded.

n » {DEFENDS RIGHT TO |QUESTION PRESIDENT | By Clyde E. Young A recent article in the Hoosier Forum was very vehement in its attack on Willkie for assuming too

n your letters short, so all can

Letters must

| have a chance. be signed, but names will be

withheld on request.)

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| could give or do more, but I doubt it.

| Speaker Bankhead for

sisted on it for generations until the New Deal took it away,

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UT the New Dealers have learned or should have learned by now that such Democratic legislative veterans as these five Speakers are loyal before they are self-seeking. Senator Joe Robinson had the same quality. Like Speaker Bankhead, he had a further quality. Both gave more than lip-service to that I alty. They had a fiery fighting heart for it that drove

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| them in the fray beyond the point of sheer physical

exhaustion—and drove them to their deaths. Both fell sword in hand with their battle armor clanking around them and their faces toward the front. It, may be that younger men of the newer dispensation “Greater love hath no man—." Both men had hoped for greater honors and recognition and believed they had good reason to hope —Senator Robinson for the Supreme Court and the Vice Presidency. Hugo Black took the former place and Henry Wallace the latter. Senator Robinson died before that vacancy occurred. Speaker Bankhead took his disappointment like a soldier—with a smile—but he did not long sure

sons are alike—the desire for power—even at the expense of the rank and file citizen. The pot has offered to burnish the kettle—a generous gesture, to be sure, but not original.

that statement, I wish to say “The her encounter with Humpty Dumpty Lord also knows it is uncalled for

and utterly unnecessary!” All our

“Well, I guess I'll vote for him once more, if the Democrats nominate him. But I'll tell you one thing—if you

vive it. These things are very saddening. Perhaps they are just part of the great game of politics, but one

: : ; much authori and for his de-| and the conversation is as follows 4 % 4 ty d =} in Lewis Carroll's narrative: {manding the views of the Presi-|

damn Yankees don’t quit voting for him, he’s going to ruin the country.” = Wendell Willkie, himself a straight-voting Democrat intil four years ago, stated clearly at Amarillo, Tex.. the challenge which now confronts that Southern state of mind. | Southerners this year will not find it so easy to walk into the polling booths, shut their eyes, hold their noses and stamp the rooster. They will have to ponder what Mr. Willkie said: “The people of the South are faced with a conflict of traditions. . . . You must judge which you value most.” Mr. Wilikie, a student of history, acknowledged that necessity had driven Southerners to establish their tradition of Democratic voting in those days after the War between the States, “when a super Federal Government reached down into the most intimate domestic economy and life.” But, he said: “In order to follow the tradition of voting Democratic in 1940, they must abandon the tradition which is theirs and the whole country’s—a tradition, 160 years old, that was so firmly imbedded in the minds of the country that, when the republic of Texas was established, Sam Houston |

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saw that there was written into the Constitution a provision | for rotation in office, because he knew that it was subver- | sive to have long continuance in office.” u

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® The tradition of a solid Democratic South runs back to the malodorous carpetbag days of Thad Stevens. appraisal of present issues and personalities would seem to argue for a reversal of the habit of partisan voting. For are there not today, prominent in the ruling clique of the Democratic Party, men as ready deny or circumvent the people's right to self-government? Boss Hague, Boss Kelly, Boss Flynn. Corcoran, Ickes, Hopkins. Men who institute purges. Men who consider independence almost a crime. Men who would use public money to influence votes, or who condone such practices.

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Men who do not trust the people to manage their own af- |

fairs. Men who, in their own estimation, have somehow acquired the right to demand that the people accept what they hand down.

a party machine. They will have to choose, each according to his own conscience.

GLENN FRANK

HE death of Dr. Glenn Frank robbed the Republican |. : . | ray which would enable piiots to see in heavy fog.

Party of one of its most progressive thinkers. The “Program for a Dynamic America,” drafted after

more than two years of exhaustive study by the G. O. D. | program committee, of which Dr. Frank was chairman, | embraced the humanitarian reforms of the New Deal and |!

charted a course of economic recovery which would guar-

intee the perpetuation and enlargement of those social | | cessation or, at best, diminution of factory work.

gains.

To their discredit, the members of the platform com- | { from each gun, places pressure demands on the mu-

mittee at the Republican National Convention set aside Dr. Frank’s program. But to his credit, Wendell Willkie, the Republican nominee, has ignored the fence-straddling

platform, and in his speeches to date has outlined policies | following closely the principles enunciated in the report |

| he is not ill, he is very ill indeed.—English psychologist | | in a recent book on psychotherapy. | - - =

of Dr. Frank's committee.

The Old Guard never surrendered. 3ut at Philadel-

phia, after writing the platform, it uttered its last gasp. | : And fortunately for the country, and for the party itself, | include 10 times as large a proportion of radicals as |

the Republican standard today is carried by men who do |

not believe that the best of all possible worlds lies in a return to the ways of the administrations of Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge.

| experts | sought about the effect of evenly and unevenly

| in { tion Indeed, this is one election year when the people of | the South will not find it easy to confide their judgment to |

Aviation

By Maj. Al Williams

Irregular Attacks Against London |

Part of Carefully Planned Strategy

HE Battle of Britain has been in progress for more than a month without use of the conventional weapons of other wars, such as battleships, cruisers, miilions of marching men, artillery barrages, and thousands dying each day in trench warfare. This should be noted by every American interested in the defense of his own country. And it cannot be too strongly phasized that the Battle of Britain is being fought over England, and was brought there by foreign airpower. The startlingly rapid conclusion of each previous phase of this war seems to have made the experts impatient. What, ask Army and Navy strategists,

means this i ! : Jeans Wiis delay In the Batis {own feet. I am not in favor of the |gqouth Side couldn’t have been sour

of Britain—the titantic strug-

| gle for world empire—in which there have been

only a few thousand casualties? In a single phase of the Somme campaign of 1916, some 23,000 men were lost in six weeks for little more than a mile of conThis is an illustration of the rev-

The air raids against Barcelona gave the world

The population of Barcelona was streaming out into the adjacent hills, and the

| city was ready to capitulate, when time-table bomb- % | Ing ceased abruptly. Thad Stevens to |

This queer episode was never fully explained, but believe the raiders had iearned all they

spaced air raids on civilian morale, and called off

| the show to keep the results of their experiment

from the rest of the world. By no means do I intimate that the sturdy British can be broken by any such demoralizing system of air attacks. Nevertheless, in looking for the “break” in the Battle of Britain—for a weakening of the German attack or a softening of the defense—it is well to evaluate the disastrous effects of spasmodic air raids the dislocation of munition factory producschedules. And some in this ever-recurring German weapons.

threat of secret

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resources? Verdun was on land? Are the Germans held up by bad weather, or are they waiting for it? Their most formidable secret weapon might be a fog-piercing

Day after day individual Royal Air Force squad=-

! rons have been going up as many as four and five

times to fight the German winged hordes. There is no limit to British courage, but there is a definite limit to human endurance. ‘The apparent lulls in the wild air drive against Britain are part and parcel of air war strategy. Armed reconnaissance flights, they are recorded technically. But each appearance of a bomber overhead means an air raid alarm. And each alarm means

The expenditure of ammunition by the ground defenses, spouting thousands of anti-aircraft shells

nition factories.

So They Say=—

WHEN A MAN is so ill as to believe he is ill when

em- ;

defense needs can be taken care of by editors and all others who keep pounding it into people every day

volunteer method. Newspaper

that Hitler will be here soon are

very disgusting, as Mr. Hitler will no more attack us than the monu-| ment will decide to spend the evening in Riverside Park! . .

As the mother of two young men

who may be forced to give one year of their lives, and may die in overly crowded training camps, if not killed

{in actual war, I resent the repulsive

{draft!

only way of defense, =

i young men who are rushing and]

{ {

reconciled to believe that it was our

n ASSAILS MARRIAGES TO AVOID DRAFT By M. Deiser I am shocked at

the number of

have been rushing girls into marriage these last six months in order to evade the draft. It is a very

And I never shall become |

“When I use a word,” Humpty | dent. I only wish to say that since Dumpty said, in rather a scornful ihe president is chosen by the Ie ob rasan) Jus: hav eigose people he is likewise answerable “The question is,” said Alice, to them. In fact, it is the condi“whether you can make words mean tion of Economic Freedom that OSny Sitgren ng Dumpty | 2% should not be ruled by an Dumpty. ‘which is to be master— authority which they cannot conthat’s all.” trol and at his present rate of Alice was too much puzzled to say| SOTER SCHER COCCI LY pentive, anything; so after a minute Humpty |" - problem confronting article was why

Dumpty began again. “They've a a oUee oa temper, some of them—particularly|tie writer ol that a y verbs: Thev're the proudest— | Willkie wanted to debate when the adjectives you can do anything with, President ras 50 i3eiis RY: {but not verbs—however, I can man-|Does the Wriles Tea(ze nat hoo; : age the whole lot of them! Im- velt recently spent 11 days out o

| ra lob IE , y ,»117 at Hyde Park | Peneuaiiusyy That's what I say. | "As for Willkie's defense of busi-

ness, I would welcome a plan

EXPLAINS WILLKIE'S whereby we could get along without it. Labor is dependent upon

RESTAURANT VISIT : : business for its wages and By Haroid Shulke, Ward Representative of \,y05 pajd by business enable the the East Side of the 15th, Ward, Government to operate so what Ted McCarthy reminds me of that sre we going to use as a substitute? eral | The American way of life could not

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| unwholesome condition and can not | poor fox, who after jumping sev meri a t busine: ; | result in happiness. What girl could | times and couldn't make it, decided be maintained without business as

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have respect for a cowardly hus-

|band gotten under such conditions?

{draft but I would feel insulted if |

stock should be taken |

S this prolonged, but less than full-power, air at- | tack by the Germans evidence that they are de- | ficient in manpower to fly their planes, or in fuel | s this an attrition job in the air, as |

THOSE WHO have carried on into graduate study |

those who have barely finished the eighth grade.— |

Prof. Goodwin Watson, Columbia. * » * ~ I HAVE my doubts whether Trotsky was murdered in Mexico at the instigation of Stalin, as is widely assumed. The Nazis could have wished it.—Charles Benedict, in the.Magazine of Wall Street.

I for one intend to stand on my

my boy friend would rush me now. It’s a cheap, un-American and deceptive way of crawling out of responsibility. = =» = F. D. R’s TALK RECALLS PASSAGE FROM ‘ALICE’

By W. M. L. Last week we heard the insouciant melodies of the third-term Labor Aria (words and music by Tom Corcoran and Charley Michelson) with

that political prima donna, Frank- |

lin Delano Roosevelt, never in better voice. The Aria (as we have come to expect of this matchless baritone) was sung without fault in either feeling or tone. . . . After hearing the catchy lilting tunes I was quickly reminded of a passage I had once read in “Alice in Wonderland” where Alice has

i : t i , Wi be like an {the grapes were sour and disgusting- | Wash predicament would iy withlly walked away. Surely Mr. Mec-|3my Without guns or a Carthy Mr. Willkie’s visit to the out ships, another Roosevelt di- < : lemma. } | 2 grapes to you. | I feel it is my duty to advise you ASSAILS RELEASE OF | of the manner in which Mr. Willkie, SECRET DOCUMENTS {was escorted to Mrs. Taylor's) i. ©. 8. tat. web. | restaurant, something you probably |BY Geerse T. Davis, ©. 5. com Rs o ay | don’t know. When the Willkie party| From Harold Negley's ro 0 1iy {landed at the airport, Mrs. Willkie statement relative to 11 : | remarked she was hungry and Mr. | umnists it is evident he has never | Willkie agreed he was too. The served in the Army or Department |escorting policemen suggested they of Justice, and Sneteiore Se ‘knew a quiet place where they could nothing of the operations ; {get good home-cooked food and led intelligence department of either, the entire Willkie party including nor the motives behind any re-

{the press, to Mrs. Taylor's. . . .| leases therefrom. ; While the party ate, the crowd| If, however, the statement ne at

r | tributes to J. Edgar Hoover be an junqualified fact, then it is obvious that Hoover convicts himself of in- | defensible dereliction of official {duty in not apprehending, arresting and taking before a court of member we still have some decent Criminal justice those foreign exif thinking and respectable citizens on |inals whose cowardly hands the South Side both Democrats and | Very major military secret in the United States. .

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{numbering about 500 eager to see O shake hands with Mr. Willkie, was orderly and very enthused about his { presence. They didn’t seem to *resent” it. ... In conclusion, Mr. McCarthy, re-

Side Glances—By Galbraith

Moreover, I boldly charge that any citizen, irrespective of his candidacy for the Presidency of the | United States who comes into pos-

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on FJ un | MAYBE INVISIBLE PAINT | HIDES OUR AIRPLANES

By A. B. C. { The U. 8. Army must be using | that British paint which makes air- | planes invisible, which might ex-| plain why no one can find those | 50,000 planes F, D. R. was talking | | about. |

| SEPTEMBER SUNSET By MARY P. DENNY

| A gloria of light within the sky | A sentinel of glory uplifted high. | Beauty where gates of light unfold. | Colors of day over fields of light | Shining in beauty far and bright. | Shades of red and blue and flame { Through all the way a joy proclaim. | Pictures of bright September day Through gleaming sunset glow Over our vision in glory flow. Sunset glow in days of September We will always with joy remember Shining over the fields of clover.

DAILY THOUGHT

The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Al-

"Eight years ago tonight you proposed, George! Remember how xou said love would lift me.out of my shallow little dream world?"

| mighty hath given me life.—Job 33.4.

EVERY man's life is a plan of God~—Horace Bushnell.

the

| nourishing lunch.

could wish that game were not so cruel. After all, it may not be important. It is more important that a great life has been lived. In a high place a great example has been set of faith and loyalty and honesty and courage.

A Woman's Viewpoint

By Mrs. Walter Ferguson

A fighting editor whom I know has come out with an idea for handling conscientious objectors if we mobilize for war. The real soldiers, he says, ought not to be asked to do menial tasks. Those should be left to the birds who have religious scruples about killing their fellow men. Let the latter pick up the cigaret butts and the empty whisky bottles, pare the potatoes, empty the slops and do the rest of the dirty work He believes—and maybe he's right—that enough of this kind of labor will convert every objector and turn him ito a regular sharp= shooter. Almost any man, we gather, would rather carry a rifle or sling a bomb than do per= manent Kitchen, police. This is a cute little scheme, and it deserves the consideration of our General

Staff, but it leaves us wrestling with some odd in=-

ferences. . If, as Napoleon once said, an army travels on its

| stomach, doesn’t that make the hash-slingers one of | the most important units of a fighting force?

A good many people are already too credulous about military planning. They believe that wars are won by the uniformed brigades, which is stretch= ing the truth a bit. It takes several individuals to keep one soldier supplied with ammunition, food and

| other equipment, and surely we can’t set up the

notion that those who furnish these things are wholly unpatriotic or unworthy of medals. Without guns no wars can be fought, ahd without workmen to manufacture the gunpowder and the shells any army is in a bad fix. Moreover, lacking cooks the soldier is undérnourished or starved. Whether you are running a war or a country or a house, the people who do the so-called dirty work are just as essential to the success of the venture as the men at arms. We are inclined to forget that simple fact when we talk about national defense. Our editor complains that a stalwart captain should be relieved of such “feminine duties as sewing on buttons.” Thus, with one large gesture, he relegates the conscientious objectors to the inferior position hither to occupied only by women. He would have them join the company of mentals who hold the fabric of society together during times of peace, and without whom no wars could ever be won.

Watching Your Health

| By Jane Stafford

OR a great many children, the time when they first start going to school 1s the time when their dinner or main meal is shifted from noon to evening, and the noontime meal becomes lunch This noon meal, however, must be a scrappy, haphazard affair, or the child's health will suffer and his monthly report card show disappointingly low marks. Growing, active children with the new bur den of school work need foods that supply energy. Their meals must also supply she building material for muscles and other soft tissues of the body, for sound teeth and bones, and for good red blood. The ideal school lunch, according to the Federal Bureau of Home Economics, consists of one nourishe ing main dish, a glass or two of milk, fruit or vege= table in some form, bread and butter or a sandwich, and a simple desert. If the main dish is a cooked vegetable or a salad, the lunch should include a hearty sandwich made, perhaps, with meat, egg, cheese or peanut butter. If a good deal of cereal is used in the main dish, such as macaroni, spaghetti or rice, the dessert should be fruit, rather than cake or cereal pudding. If the child must take his lunch with him. instead of getting it at home or at the school cafeteria, the problem becomes a little more difficult, but many mothers have learned the tricks of putting up a Since sandwiches are easier to pack and carry, they generally form the bulk of such lunches. Making them of whole-grain bread adds extra vitamins and minerals. Fruit and milk

| should be included, and many mothers have remembered from picnic experience that a paper cup of

vegetable salad and a small spoon or fork can be packed in the school lunchbox. A little lemon juice and salt is perhaps the best dressing for such salads. Mayonnaise is likely to spoil unless the lunch can be kent very cold.