Indianapolis Times, Indianapolis, Marion County, 10 March 1937 — Page 9

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 10, 1087

Complete Q-and-A at Yesterday's Hearing

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he one of the political leaders here in Indianapolis; that he had—supposed te have a good organization, Q—And you knew that he was close to Judge Baker? A-—Oh, yes. Q—Judge Cox? A—And Judge— I don’t know how close he was to Judge Cox, although it was common knowledge that Judge Baker and Judge Cox were sort of leaders in one of the Democratic factions here, Q-—And also to L. Ert Slack? Well, 1 later found that L. Ert Slack was a part of that, when Governor MeNutt appointed him as Judge. Q—Well,

that he had been city purchasing agent? AUnder L. Ert Slack, ves, 1 knew that. I think that was a Republic an Administration, however. Q-—Now, vou knew also, when you loft this meeting, this first unofficial meeting, that when the propel time came, that Joel Baker would he named as director? A-—I didn't know by action, but 1 pected it Q—You knew that when you met officially that probably would happen? A-—-In all probability. QRQ—When did vou meet officially? A---I think it was two days later? Q—At that meeting L. Ert Slack was elected president of the Board? Yes sir

at that

vou knew

official Sus=

meeting the new Mr. ¥. O. You were elected vice presi A--1 was elected vice presi-

present,

ent Q-—-And who was elected secretary? A—Mr, Andrew, the law provides for the secretary Q—Is there any other office ) A—-The states that the secretary of your

law

elected vour dinector is Roard Q—-Who did vou arv secretary of your board? A—At meeting, the second they elected me temoeretarn I was the one who minutes and wrote up the ites, if vou will investigate

have as tempor-

that opening meeting now porary took the Arst our records Q--Now, at that meeting, what fiscussion was there about the appointment of a director? A—We discussed several of those names submitted. We had had letters about some of them and letters in opposition to some of them, and finally Mr. Slack said that he was convinced that probably the best man would be Mr. Baker. There was a discussion, in which Mr, Belzer said. “I don't think we ought to elect a director for 30 to 60 days,” but the law said that we must orcanize and start right then, and so Mr. Baker was c'ected. We gave Mr. Belzer the permission not to vote at that election. 1 voted with it. Tt hardly can be called a minoritv, because it is a Republican Board. Three of the members are Yepublican and two Democrats. Q--You voted, though, for? ‘AI voted for the election of Mr, Baker, ves, Sir. " ©@—Do vou know how soon after hat Mr. Baker was notified? A— was not very long afterwards. I called the Democratic or some thing and he came The newspaper men were and he came over and made and I understood that he and was sworn in and qualified, giving the same bond which at that time was--you have reduced it in this legislature-—as the county auditor. O—What, if any objections did vou have. at that meeting, to the appointment of Joel A. Baker? A-— Yon mean my personal . . . 0O—No, vou said—I meant if vou had anv acainst Mr. Baker? A—No, after the Beard, after the meeting was over, I had one or two people call me and complain, 1 don't know who they were. Told me I should not have done that, Q—Do you know whether Mr, Baker was in the Athletic Club at the time that appointment was made? A—I1 don't know. 1 think it was Mrs. Doctor Ruddell who went and called. Q—You didn't not. Q

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call? A—-1 did Have vou been present in and the State House during this recent session of the General Assembly ? A—] think every day, Mr. Andrew Q-—Have vou seen Joel Baker? A I have seen Mr. Joel Baker about times, 1 think. During this session? A-—-—-Yes the latter part of the session. Q-—-Have vou seen Mr. Peter Cane cilla? A-—I have seen Mr. Peter Cancilla. two of those times with Mr. Bake: Q—He vw

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Mr. Baker times? A-—Yes, sir. Q—With reference to the day of the attack on Mr. Wayne Coy, what were the days you saw him? A-—I had seen Mr. Baker the Saturday hefore. The attack was on Mondav, and the Saturdav before TI had seen Mr. Baker and had a conversation with him Q—Was Peter Cancilla with him at that time? A—Peter Cancilla was standing about 15 feet away. Q—Did Mr. Baker discuss with von the provisions of Senate Bill 737 A-—Mr. Baker at that time did not discuss the provisions of Senate Bill with me. He said, “If vou want this , , . O—Yes. A—He said, “You see mv condition. 1 have got something I want to talk to vou about next week—a bill.” Q—What was his condition? A —Mr, Baker had been drinking. Q—You have known, Mr. Tripp, since his appointment as Director of the Marion County Department of Welfare, that Mr. Baker was an habitual drinker? that, Q mont Well

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soon after his appointvou discover that? A— Baker started in a very until Governor McNutt Townsend took him off from our job. They took him over to the State House: they had rooms in the Claypool Hotel, and they took him off from our job to have him break up the Marion County Delegation I was cause I remonstrated with Mr. Baker at the time. I said, “Now, it

was understood there was to be no |

politics in this setup.” And he said, “What are you going to do when the Governor and the next Governor want you off the job?” I said, “Well, you know how I feel.” Q—What, if anything was done, official action was taken by the Board, with reference to granting Mr. Baker leave of absence from the Board to work? A-—I know of na action. Of course, that was merely a matter of twa or three davs and Mr, Baker's argument with me vas that of a man whe did work; he should be entitled to his

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rights as a citizen and to perform his duty to his party, Q—How long did that continue? A—I think it was three days, four days perhaps, maybe a week, but that was the beginning of Mr, | Baker's real hard drinking, again, He was over to their headquarters, and vou know what they ave. Q-—Have vou been in and around 123 E. Market St. since the time that he took this leave of absence or three aavs work politically? A Mr. Andrews. at the request of Judge Cox, mv organization, the Church Federation, loaned me and 1 gave complete time from the middle of May to about the 20th of Deceniber, this vear, not taking any vacation, without pav, whatsoever from the State, to get this setup. Q-~Then you were in and about the office of the Marion County Department from May until the latter part of December? A—Yes, sir, that's right, correct . Q@—How much of that time Joel Baker absent from his job? A— Well, 1 couldn't say definitely. because I was too busy with mine, upstairs. Now, I am not saving that in any light way. Mr. Andrews mean I went on 8 o'clock in the morning. I trained 65 workers there, and I was the supervisor of 65 workers, and took all their reports and I worked from 8 to noon, and then I was out and back at 5, and I usually see Joel around at night when 1 started home, mavbe he would call to me and he would drop in upstairs, but I couldn't tell you how much of the time he was there, or noi Following the saw him-—-I mean the convention, vou saw him in and about the office? A--Yes, sir Q-—State whether or not he was still drinking at those times? A-. He still would part of the time be drinking. Q—How often did your Board meet? A--Our hoard officially met once a month. Q-—State what if aay official recognition your Board gave to the fact that Joel Baker was drinking to excess? A—There was no official recognition, Mr. Andrew. Q—It was common knowledge among the members of the Board? A—Tt had been discussed, Q-—State whether or not Joel Baker was ever called before your Board and reprimanded for his drinking habits, A-—Na, he was not. Q-—Following the election in November, state whether or not vou have any knowledge of Joel Baker being absent from the Welfare office and from the city. A—T have: I do not know that he was. not there. R--Do vou know A—I understood, Mr. he was in California, Q—How long was he gone? To my knowledge, 1 think it about three weeks.

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Q--State what, if any, permission he ever requested of your Board or your Board for him to absent himself? A—That question later was asked in a board meeting, and I think Mr. Slack said that he had authorized him to go. Q—So far as vou know there was no deduction made from anv of his pay? A—I do not know that. I have nothing to do with the business. Q-—-Now, with State House, when you him about here, he told lieve vou testified, that to see vou next week A--He didn't name the knew it, Q—-You knew what A—He had talked to me over the phone and told me he was very much disturbed over 173 and wanted to know what I thought about it. 1 told him I hadn't had time, I hadn't known that 173 existed. Q—Did you have knowledge of the fact that he was in and about the State House communicating with different persons, legislators. with reference to that bill? A-—I did not know it until I was told that the bill had passed the Senate, and then I understood that arrangements had been made with Mr, Stein to give it to Mr. Downey, Q—Who made those arrangements? A—1 do not know. Q—Who gave ven that information? A—Well, T am rather sure that Mr. Baker told me that he had it arranged with Mr. Stein to hand it down when it came direct from the Senate, to Mr. Downey. Q-—Did Mr. Baker say why he wanted it handed te Mr, Downev? A—No, excepting that he said he wanted some time to think it over. At that time 1 didn't realize what a had bill it was. and since then, and all this has happened, in our board, 1 procured a copy of it, with a bill you people passed, 460, chaaged it. 1 wanted to see exactly what he was kicking about in the bill, and I found out. Q—Did he say to vou, or did vou have any conversation with him in regard to the relationship between him and Mr. Downey and this hill? Downey and Mr. Stein and Mr. Baker were very close, and Mr. Downey had been to our board, that is not te our board, but to our offices, and 1 had seen them together two years ago, a great deal. That was before Mr. Baker was ever—hefore there was ever a Social Security bill. R—Did you see Mr. Downey at any time in or about vour office, during this session of the Legislature? A-—No, just prior I met him on the street, but I do not know whether he had been to our office or not. I met him on the Circle and discussed Pari-Mutuel with him. Q—You didn’t discuss 173? A-— No, I didn't know there was such a bill as 173. Q—Did Mr. Baker make any statement to you, as to what action Mr. Downey was going to take on 173? A-—He merely intimated, Mr. Andrew. He said, “We can get that bill held in that committee.” Q—Did he say anything te vou with reference te him getting possession of the bill? A-—1 was very much astonished when he had possession of the bill, Q—You had no knowledge of that? A—l1 had neo knowledge of that until that Saturday when he was drunk and he said, “I got this bill right in my pocket.” 1 said,

the have seen vou, 1 bhehe wanted about 173? hill, but I

reference to

the bill was?

| “What you doing with | You don't need it. There | printed copies if you want one.” Q—What did he say to that? | He wasn't in any condition to | answer; in fact, I was called away. I was interested in other legislation and I had gone into the Senate immediately afterward. Q—(BY MR. HAYES)—You are a minister, are vou not? A-Yes. Q—What church? AI am a minister in the Christian Church. Q-—-You have no charge here in ‘the city at this time? A-—I was

are

that bill? |

brought, Mr. Haves,--1 was a minister at Connersville and brought here to act as Social Director of the Church Federation, Q—You draw vour salary—, A— Strictly from the Church Federation, yes, sir. Q-—May 1 ask, Rev. Tripp, what vour political affiliation? A--I am a Republican, Q-=Did vou talk with anyone before vou came over here to testify today? A-No. Q—Have yon previously been acquainted with any of the members of this committee? A—Mr. Andrew, and 1 have met Mr, Lomont, and I know Denton, Q—You know Denton, old House member? A=Yes, sir. Q--Have you at any time prior to vour coming here today discussed any of the facts about which you have testified, with any of these gentlemen? A—I merely intimated to Mr. Andrew that I might know something—is that about it? Q—Were vou sworn in as a clerk of Marion County Court over which Judge Baker presides? A-—That is right. R—You were sworn in by Ralston? A-—That is right. Q—Did Judge Cox indicate or at that time or subsequently to you that his choice was Joel A. Baker for Marion County Welfare Director? A-—-No. Q—The Judge never discussed that matter with vou? A--=No. Q—You say that vou have been around the House and Senate during practically every day during the present session? A-Yes, sir, Q-—=Any particular bills, Mr. Tripp, that you were interested in? A— Yes. For 10 vears 1 have been fighting pari-mutuels, Q—That is the bill you discussed with Mr. Downey son the street? A—There had been no hill offered since that, 1 think 1 asked when they were going to drop it in. Q—What did he say? A—He said, “We are going to lick you this time.” Q—When you saw Mr. Baker here in one of the corridors of the State House last Saturday. A—A week ago last Saturday. Q—A week ago, he told you he had Senate Bill 173 in his pocket. Did he show it to you? A—No. Q—You didn't see it at all ? A— Yes, I saw it sticking out. Q—You have been around here during the past 10 vears, frequentlv. You know how bills appear? A—--Yes, sir Q—You have them? A—Yes, Q—Did he have pocket, or did it look like copies? A-—-All T could see was the yellow cover of one bill. I thought it was a ludicrous idea for him to have it. R—He didn't take it out of pocket to show it to you, or didn’t ask to see it? A-—No, sir. Q——Did he tell you how he had acquired posession of that bill? A— No. he did not tell me how. Q—Did you ask him where he had gotten it? A—No, I just supposed Q—What was your supposition? A—Well, Mr. Downey, that Saturday morning, right after I saw Joel, I met him coming out of the Senate. Q—You met, you mean, Joel Baker? A--Mr. Downey, and Mr. Downey said to me, “Have you seen Joel?” I said, “Yes. He is pretty | much under the weather.” He said, “He ought to he. We were up all nicht drinking together, Q—Downey told vou that a week ago Saturday morning? A—VYes, sir. Q—Where did vou see Mr. Dawney? Where did vou see him? A— | Out here, where the bars are running out of the Senate into the cloak room. (Indicating.) Q—You say Mr. Downey told vou at that time that—, A—That they had been drinking together all night. Q—Did he tell you where? No, I didn’t ask. Q—-Did he elaborate further than the statement you have given us? A--He did say something about the bill, Mr. Hayes. Q—About 173, Welfare Bill? AHe said. “Joel said he wants a public hearing on it. I haven't been able to get the hill. If necessary, we may ask for a public hearing on it, Q—Any further conversation bhetween vou and Mr. Downey? A—No. Q--How long had you know Rep. Downey at that time. A-—My personal—I don't know him. In fact,

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introduced to him in our office by Mr. Baker in the summer time, Q—By Mr. Joel Baker? A-—By Mr. Joel Baker. But just like 1 would talk to vou about a bill, T knew his name and he and 1 had several pretty hot sessions two over pari-mutuels. Q—Now, getting back to this introduction to Downey by Joel A. Baker that took place in your Welfare office. A—In our Marion County Welfare office? Q—Over here on Market St. A— 1 walked in about a matter and Mr.

Downey was in there. Joel said, ‘Do

you know Downey?” 1 said, “Never met him, although I've had several runs-ins with him.” Q—What is your best recollection as to what part of the summer that was? A—My best recollection was cither July or August in— Q—In 19367 A-—Yes. Q—Did you on subsequent occa- | sions see Downey in the Welfare office? A—No. Q—Did you ever see Downey and Joel A. Baker in company together after that time last summer? A— No, sir. Q-—-The only time, then that vou know of them being together is when Downey told you here outside the Senate Chamber that he and | Baker had been drinking all night? A-—Yes, the night before. Q—Did Downey tell vou where they were when doing that drinking a week ago last Friday night? ANo, sir, he did not. Q—Did you haye any conversation or did vou see Mr. Martin | Downey and talk with him afier the occasion of the assault | Coy? A-—No, sir.

that Mr. Downey had been in look{ing for Mr. Baker. Q—Did you make any application to anybody to secure your position on the Marion County Welfare Board? A-No, sir. Rather interesting—Judge Cox called me and said, “Yon are the only one that

hasn't tried to get on, and 1 have known you for years and would like |

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Q—You haven't seen him in the | Welfare office, since that? A—I have | not, although Miss Church told me, | A— | that is our office secretary, told me

Q—Did Judge Baker discuss your serving on the Board? A-They asked me if 1 would go, with my experience as a social worker, and help develop it, Q--Who asked you that, Judge Cox or Judge Baker? A-I think Judge Cox had asked me and 1 had discussed it with Judge Baker. As to whether or not I should leave my work there at the court and I told him if 1 left he would have to appoint a probation officer and he asked me if T had anyone whom 1 would suggest for this one position, I said, “I have one who is not a politician,” He said, “1 don't care about that,” And 1 said, “1 have one.” He appointed Mr. Cooley from the qualified list who had passed the examination. Q—Are vou connected in any capacity, officially or nonofficially, with the Marion County Courts? A —The same relation exists except 1 haven't had time to give to the work. Q-—You it? A—1 will Legislature has, Journed. Q--You say

do devote some time to again as soon as the which it has, ad-

were over here every session of the Legislature. Who detailed vou ‘oo appear here? A--The Church Federation. Q—Were vou interested, or were vou directed by the Judge of the Criminal Court here to frequent the Legislature, and see what was going on? A-—-No, not at all. Q—Did vou during the general session of the 80th session make any reports to Judge Baker about the progress over here, and what was transpiring? A-—I am not sure; I think one day I said to him, “TI took an awful licking yesterday,” the day after the pari-mutuel bill passed the House. Q—Pari-mutuel Bill? A--Yes, sir Q (By MR. BEDWELL)~You say vou have been very much interested in legislation at the present session, Mr. Tripp? A--Yes, sir, that is correct. Q—You talked to members cerning legislation here? A-—I have talked to several members on this pari-mutual bill, ves. Q—Did you register here? sir. Q—You are registered in the Secretary of State's office? A—No, 1 took Governor McNutt's suggestion, when he invited the good citizens to talk with the legislators and asked the legislators to listen. Mt was a moral capacity—I am not a paid lobbyist. Q—You knew there was a law passed, certain legislation, regarding that? A—I understood hecause the League of Women Voters and so on had so many workers here, and policemen and all; 1 understood when you were not financially interested in anything, it was merely a moral question, that you had the right to work. Q—You haven't particular statute, I have not. Q (BY MR. LOMONT)--You are paid a salary? A-—By the Church Federation, ves, as the social service director, Q—You were here at their reaquest, opposing pari-mutual bill? A— Yes, I was assigned here. Q—You said something about Speaker Stein relative to taking care of that bill with Downey. What was that? A-—-As I recall, I said Baker had told me that because of his friendship with Mr. Stein that the bill would be assigned to Mr. Downey. 1 think that is about it. That is what I mean. in substance, anyhow, Mr. Lomont. Q (BY MR. HAYS)—Rev. Tripp, do vou know a young lady. nameod Mildred Patricia TFarran? AT know a young lady by that name who was a former employee of the Marion County Department of Public Welfare. Q—She worked there for months? A-Yes, sir. Q—Taking up her duties shortly after the organization of the Marion County Depariment, and continuing until about the first of this | year? A—I think she came on the job some place in July, T am not sure about that, but some time after that. Q—Did you ever see her around with Mr. Baker? A-—I never had seen her with Mr. Baker until the Saturday morning that I mentioned out here. Q@—And the time vou saw him in the hall? A-—I did not see her with Mr. Baker, but I did see Mr Cancilla and this young ladv standing there drinking a coke, and Mr. Baker had left them, and come to where 1 was. Q—You mean he left them and came to where you were, and talked to you? A-—-Yes. Q—Did you remember the occasion and was it ever discussed about her Jeaving the Marion County Welfare Board? A—Never was dis-

you

A-—No,

investigated the have vou? A-—

SIT

some

usually consulted about the people if 1 knew them. and T went over their application blanks, and he said, Well, she did good work in—I understood him to say, Lieutenant Governor's office.

Townsend, and she had been with |

the County Welfare Board and was a very, very good workers. Q—That was the time she was engaged and went to work? A— That was after the time. I noticed

her there, and he had asked me if |

I would take her classes to train. group of workers. Q—You did train her quently? A—Yes, sir. Q—Then you have known her ever since that time? A-—Yes. Q—Can you tell this Committee what the occasion was of her leaving the employ of the Marion Countv Welfare Board, what happened or anything of the sort? A—The only knowledge 1 have is that she came inte my office one dav and said, “Well, T have got a new joh. I am going over to the Governor's office, and 1 have resigned.” Q—And do you know whether she ever subsequently went over to the Governor's office or had employment there? A-—1 do not know. Q—Do you know, as a matter of

in one of the I was training a

subse-

| since the last of December or first of January of this year? not know, in no way. Q—Since the first of the year

and she left the employ of the | Welfare Board, have you seen she | | and Joel Baker together any time |

other than out here in the hall that day vou described? A—Except- | ing that once that I told you about. | Q—You mean out here in the corridor? A-—Yes, that was a week ago last Saturday. Q-—(By MR. CARLSON) see the assault on Mr, Coy? A--No. 1 was not here, I had left the State

over |

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fact, she has not been employed |

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Did vou |

The head of | the Social Department, Dr. Wirt | M. Tippy of Federal Oounsel of | Churches of New York had arrived | in the city and they called me over. | QR—Did vou have any conversation | with Peter Cancilla on that morn- | ing? A-—No, 1 did not see Peter Cancilla that morning nor Mr. Baker. { Q-—Now you say that the com- | mittee previously, Mr. Tripp—that | vou were told that Mr. Baker was to be appointed as welfare director | of Marion County? A-I under- | stood it, yes. Q—Do you recall who it was that imparted that intormation to you? | A-—-No, I understood that all the | while he was working in the spe- { cial session that he was to get that job and Wayne Coy was to get the state director's job. Q—The information came to you from more than one person? A-I do not—I can’t answer that, Mr, Carlson, because I don’t remember, 1 heard several people around here | discuss it, local politicians and all Q—Was the matter of Mr, Baker's appointment ever discussed with you prior to your appointment on the Welfare Board? A-—Not directly, | mo. 1 knew that he would be sug- | gested for the job. Q—Was any possible favorable | action on your part a condition of | vour appointment? A—By no means, no, sir, { Q—Do you know whether such | favorable action on the part of any | other member of the Board was a condition of their appointment on the board? A-—1 do not know that, Q—You stated that Mr. Baker was | gone for some time during the year 1936, ostensibly for the purpose of engaging in political activities, do you recall what time of the year that was? A-—It was just prior to the Democratic Convention, Senator i Carlson. They were trying to break | the Marion County delegation, Tt | had been given to—was supposed to | be lined up for McKinney and they were trving to break it. Q—Who was trying te break it? A—McNutt and Townsend. Q—And hew long was Mr. Baker | absent from his work during that | timt? A-—I answered that question | to Mr. Andrew. TI think I said sev-| eral days and that it might have! been a week. TI think that was my | answer. Might 1 just say one | thing, Mr. Andrew? Q-—Yes. A—I want it understood that the appointments made were | made on a nonpartisan basis in | practically every case with a few exceptions. Q-—Now vou mean the employees? A—Of the Marion County Department of Public Welfare, We probablv have as many Republicans as there are Democrats. I do not know of a single employee that ever was asked their political affiliation, | and we have some of the finest so- | cial workers in the state in our De- | partment. And I might also state that the State Department has had a supervisor in our department continuously and under the law they are supposed to file with our Board | anv duty of a director that has not been done under Section 20 of the | law and we have never yet received | from the State Department any word but that our work was being | done according to their desires. They have official representation there continuously in our office. | May I make a statement? Q—Yes, A—=One of the

House at 11 o'clock.

news-

papers has been saying that 1 could | ;

not be found, but Mr. Andrew, the | only time that I knew I was to come was a telephone call that 1 got at my office this noon and they | said you people wanted me at 2 o'clock. 1 have been here every day. 1 spoke to you last Saturday. Nobody has been to my home or my | office and 1 just feel people have been calling in, sayiny 1 was a fugi- | tive from justice. I have been open | at all times to this committee and | no summons was ever given me until I walked in this room this afternoon. I came of my own free will | when you wanted me. 1 want that | in the record. WITNESS EXCUSED. |

BERNICE CHURCH LETTER MR. ANDREW-—-With the consent the Committee, IT want to place in the record a letter directed to the members of the Senate Investicating Committee from Miss Bernice Church: “To the members of the Senate Investigating Committee Gentlemen: As an emplavee of the Marion County Department of Public Welfare. I hereby respectfully ask permission to file with the records in connection with the BakerCancilla . inquiry, the following statements of facts. I never at any time have had knowledge of the activities of Joel A. Baker in politics or any matter not directly connected with the work of the Marion County De-= partment of Public Welfare. At the time that Mr. Baker was deputy-clerk of the Supreme Court I was secretary to Julius C. Travis of the Indiana Supreme | Court. in which capacity I served | for 10 vears, and in this way 1 had a business acquaintance only with Mr. Baker. I did not see Mr, Baker from the time he left the State House until I met him by ap= pointment at the Court House last, April. At that time T was work=ing for Miss Walker of the Gov=ernor's Commission. She had been interested in helping me to secure a better position, and when in= formed that I knew Mr. Baker, suggested that I call him. I did this and as a consequence was employed in the new welfare office then being organized. 1 have never at any time had any communication or contact with either Mr. Baker or Mr. Cancilla outside the office, and 1 would welcome any questioning or investigation as to my past employment and activities I also wis to state that IT am not “the girl who worked for Mr. Baker” referred to in the evidence given by the waitress at the Harrison Hotel. Respectfully submitted, (Signed) MISS BERNICE CHURCH.” | MR. ANDREW-—The committee understands that in the evidence of | Miss Sarah Kirby, who testified that | when she referred to “the girl i worked for Mr. Baker” she was not referring to Miss Bernice Church. | It is the understanding and order of this Committee that during the | recess which this Committee is about | to go into that one or more of *he | Committee be and is authorized to take evidence and secure facts, swear witnesses, which evidence may later be incorporated in the record of this Committee, The Committee is now recessing ‘subject to call and orders of the | Chairman,

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COTTAGE SETS— Beautiful Marquisettes, dots and checks: 2'/a and yds. long. Red, Blue, Green, Orchid,

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We wish it were possible ene close a pair of actual Curtains with every copy of the INDIANAPOLIS TIMES! Then you'd see why we're practically palpitating with excitement! You'll see a curtain far better made of better fabrics than we've had before at this price!

PRISCILLA CURTAINS=— 54 to 72 inches per window: 5-imeh ruffle, Ivory and ecru.

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| New Spring CURTAINS

Actual 69c¢ to $1 Values!

TAILORED CURTAINS— Hemmed at sides and bottom with a generous 3 inch hem. Novelty weaves of ecru. 2/5 yds, long.