Indianapolis Times, Indianapolis, Marion County, 9 March 1937 — Page 6

THE INDIANAPOLIS TIMES

TUESDAY, MARCH 9, 1937

Verbatim Testimony to Probers on Joel Baker's Lobbying

(Continued from Page One)

Jet of ou: investigation, and his connection with the attack on Wayne Coy, as far as the Attorney General's office is concerned, and I think I could almost speak for the committee, we have no wish to involve the corporation.

to it go into the record concerning the matters that this witness may be called upon to testify that he and his corporation and the officers of the corporation shall be, so far as this committee and the Attorney General's office is concerned, immune from prosecution. MR. DENTON—We can't grant immunity. We can't speak for the Attorney General. MR. PATRICK —That is right MR. DENTON—I would not want to ask this committee to try to bind the Attorney General in case a prosecution might take place. MR. PATRICK: All I am asking is that the Committee and the Attorney General who is represented here, and since prosecutions under this law are limited te the Attor- | ney General's office, T felt that that | would be sufficient and TI am willing to take a gentleman's under. standing in so far as that is con- | cerned, and we have no desire to | stand upon the constitutional privilege of refusing to answer on the ground of self-incrimination, if there is at least a gentlemen's understanding that such is the case. MR. NORTHAM: You understand, Mr. Patrick, that the Attorney General's office has assigned me as Counsel to this investigating |

{4 FIRES BLAMED ON SUDDEN FREEZE

MR. PATRICK—You are willing | that |

let

$800 Damage Caused at Shop of Hugh J. Baker Co. |

Heavy firing of stoves and furnaces following the sudden drop in temperature resulted in 14 fires, including one second-alarm blaze vesterday and last night. Flames believed to have been started by an overheated salamander stove in the large shop building Hugh J. Baker & Co. 602 W. McCarty St., caused an estimated $800 damage.

Thirteen rlazes

the

other fires, mostly roof caused damages estimated at $400. A garage owned bv Barney Mayfield, 1369 N. Warman Ave. was damaged about $100. Sparks from a chimney caused $100 damage to the Mount Olive Baptist Church, 12th and Missouri Sts, and damage also resulted from fire that started in furniture in the | home of E. W. McCloskey, 317 N. | Senate Ave.

TOP-RANKING WOMAN GOLFER ASKS DIVORCE

By United Press MIAMI. Fla, March 9. —Maureen | Orcutt Crews, top-ranking golfer, asked a divorce from her broker husband, John D. Crews, in a petition on file today in Dade ‘County | Circuit Court. The brunet golfer, who married Mr. Crews May 6, 1935, charged him | with cruelty. { Other cruelty allegations ‘were | based on incidents involving money. | Mrs. Crews, formerly of Red Bank. | N. J., also asserted that Crews had been married twice previously and that she did not learn of that until she and the broker had been wed.

STUDENTS WARNED THOUGHT NOT HABIT

Pr TR GTON. March 9 —The “thinking is a habit” is rof. Max Wertheimer, | psychologist, warned | students last

BLOOMIN theory that dangerous, noted ‘German Indiana Univ night. “The belief habit develops

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that thinking is a attitude of repeating instead an attitude of thinking,” Dr. Wertheimer said. “It makes people think thev can not be bothered with thinking.”

SPHINX CLUB NAMES PLEDGES AT WABASH

mes Spee CRAWFORDSVILLE, March 9.— The Sphinx Club, Wabash College campus organization, has announced its spring list of pledges They included. Wayne Lloyd, Sulli- | van; Roland Tauscher, Chicago; W. | Davies, South Bend; E. Heintz, Blue | Island, Ill.; W. Pack, Indianapolis; | Wavne Hanscom, Evanston, Ill., and W. Baker, Minneapolis

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FILM TO BE SHOWN

John Gottschalk, Conservation Department field representative, is to show pictures of “Outdoor | Sports” at the meeting of Hayward- | Barcus Post 55, American Legion, | at 8 p. m. tomorrow in the D. A. R. | chapter house, {

ENGINEER TO SPEAK C. Earl Webb, American Bridge | Co. engineer, is to relate the story | behind the construction of the San !

Francisco Bay Bridge at the meet- |

ing of the Indianapolis Chapter, |}

American Society for Metals, in the | Hotel Severin Monday night.

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| matters concerning which he testi-

committee, only for its legal pur-

—— | poses announced in the resolution.

MR. PATRICK: I assume that is

| true.

MR. NORTHAM: While, of | course, I have no authority to bind the Attorney General's office re. garding what you say, all the matters herein investigated have to do only with the Joel Baker-Cancilla-Coy affair. MR. PATRICK—May I suggest in answer to that, that once evidence is given bv a witness, which may incriminate him, assuming that it ay. in the future, should there be a prosecution against him, he would be deprived more or less of the op-

portunity of denying anything which |

he had given in that evidence. because if he did, he would subject himself to a prosecution for perjury, but I do not believe that in the event there is a gentlemen's understanding that so far as the committee is concerned a®d so far as the representative of tle Attorney General is concerned, who is present here at this meeting, that he shall

[not be prosecuted, neither he nor

his corporation nor the officers shall be prosecuted with regard to the

fies. That is all in the world I am asking. CHAIRMAN BEDWELL—I think that is satisfactory as far as the Committee is concerned. We are not | investigating and have nn intention of prosecuting anybody connected with the Standard Nut Margarine Co., because of any technical failure to file statements that might be concerned in this lobbying

Legislators Shun Hilarity

(Standard Nut Margarine Co., or its

, charge.

We are here investigating | information which they may desire, |

Q—For your information, Mr.

Q—Was he Secretary-Treasurer at |

| the particular matter of the disap- and which is within their power to | Harshbarger, you may look at these that time? A—He was. |

pearance of this bill and the con- | | nection of Joel Baker therewith and | also the matter of the assault upon | Wayne Coy which was connected | with the disappearance of such bill, | and on behalf of the Committee I] | ‘will state that it is not the intention of the Committee to urge or seek to have any charges filed against the Standard Nut Mar- | garine Co., or Mr. Harshbarger, or any officer or employee of the Stan- | dard Nut Margarine Co. because of any connection with legislative ac- | | tivities of oJel Baker during the | legislative session of '35, or subse- | quent thereto. MR. PATRICK —What would you say, Mr. Northam, in connection. MR. NORTHAM—I can only repeat Mr. Bedwell’s remark that the attitude of the Attorney General's | office is approximately the same, [that we have no intention and are not interested in any further prosecution of this matter, except as it [concerns the testimony here given | for this purpose. { MR. PATRICK—And that you | have no intention or purpose to | prosecute the Nut Margarine Co. |

| officers or Mr. Harshbarger in con- | nection with any testimony that he | may give here, is that right? MR. NORTHAM—That is true. MR. PATRICK —Under those cir- | cumstances, I may say on behalf of | Mr. Harshbarger and the Standard | that they will waive their constitutional privilege and be glad to give | the committee and the representa- | tive of the Attorney General all the

In Closing Hours of Session

Contrary to all custom, the Indi- | ana legislators spent the last night of the session legislating. Most of them returned today to their constituents minus headaches, hangovers and bruises that ordinarily are part and parcel with the hooligan meeting that generally winds up a session. The only explanation for the circumstance, advanced informally by observers, was that the representatives and senators were tired and just didn’t have what it takes for an old-fashioned adjournment stemwinder. It took several half-hour recesses,

DIRECTS SEARCH FOR WOULD-BE ASSASSINS Bu United Press LOS ANGELES, March 9. Propped up in a hospital bed, his | wounded left arm suspended above |

his head by ropes and pulleys, District Attorney Buron Fitts directed his own search today for the men who fried to assassinate him. He thinks they were radicals. He still believes there were three | men in the small sedan from which |

two guns blazed as he drove alone | in his own car toward his father's | house Sunday night, although one | of the clues indicated a woman also | was involved. A woman's footprints were found in the orchard of Mr.

| Fitts’ estate, which he had left only |

a few minutes before the ambush.

TEACHER TO TALK ON LIFE OF REMBRANDT

Alan Tompkins, lecturer and instructor at the John Herron Art! School. is to speak tonight at 8:15 in the Museum on Rembrandt's life and paintings. At the same time Thursday. Mr. Tompkins is to speak on Rembrandt's influence on artists of his day,

DESCRIBES RESCUE WORK

Rescue work by welfare agencies

{in Jeffersonville during the Janu- |

ary flood was described by Delbert Taflinger, president, of the Indiana Township Trustees | Association at Indiana University Extension last night. A. C. Salee, park superintendent. is to lecture at meeting next Monday night.

TWO PLAYS TO BE GIVEN

Two one-act plays are to be given by the Mask and Wig Club tomorrow afternoon in Manual Training |

| High School auditorium. Both per-

formances are for the benefit of the | Junior Red Cross Club.

PUPILS VISIT LEGISLATURE Among visitors at the closing ses- | sion of the Legislature yesterday |

were five groups of high school pu- | pils from Greenwood, Danville, Mid- |

{ distinct

| ernor

| languished for want of critics and | isolated local cases went unpraised.

| which has been the hallmark of the | session, was heard once in a while,

| No one joined the heavy-gavel man

| stayed | thusiasm was dimmed by the defi-

{of the hall and everyone was too

| calendar. Everyone took a last look

at a meeting |

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innumerable obtuse committee re- | ports and some imported entertainment to keep the senators awake at all. | They drew a good gate. The galleries were packed. But their hearts just were not in the game. Their singing, for one thing, showed a lack of feeling. Senators | usually are great hands at singing on the last night. They sat with feet on desks while | clerks, hoarse from days of reading, intoned like the last rituals. They were tired too. A committee was named late dur- | ing the session to see what the Gov- | had on his mind, but the Governor must have been tired too. He didn't have a thing to offer. His program had been approved.

Roistering was at a minimum throughout the halls. One octet

It was pretty sad.

Speaker Stein's ringing gavel,

but it was a call in the wilderness.

in his noisemaking. Tired-eyed State House stenographers, loyal to the two houses, late, but even their en-

nitely nonfestive mood in the dimlighted halls. One group set up a bar at the end

tired to object. Hands tore March 8 from the

lat the gbused clock, Lieut. Gov. Henry F. Schricker smacked his gavel. They all went home. Some sang as they left.

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tell them everything they wish to |

know,

MR. BEDWELL—The last ques- | tion, do you remember, Mr. Harsh- |

barger? A—VYes, at that time I

had very little authority.

ity. since this came up that he was acting in such capacity. Q—Do you know when he was employed by the Standard Nut Margarine Co.? 1 know it was prior to Jan. 1, 1936, but I can’t give you the exact date. Q—Did he perform services for the Standard Nut Margarine Co. curing the 1935 sessions of the General Assembly of the State of Indiana, in connection with the session? A—I am advised he did.

| Q—What was the name of these | { services he performed?

he was working up here. I don't know, Mr. Senator, just what the

| name of his work was, or consisted

of.

Q—Well, was he at such session to | , =

| garine Co.? Q—Hand this check tn the re- | | porter and have her mark it Ex- | | hibit Hand the exhibit to the witness and | ask him to tell the committee what | A—This is a check, a Stan- | {dard Nut Margarine Check dated

8 h 14, 1935, payable to the order | Q—Did you, yourself, mail him | Lv Pa o

A—T did. | Q—When did you mail him such | | checks, Mr. Harshbarger? A—About |

oppose the enactment of any particular law?

| say.

Q—Did the Standard Nut Mar-

garine Co. pay Joel R. Baker for his | | services as a legislative representa- | tive or agent during the 1935 session

of the General Assembly? advised they did.

A—] am

checks for such services?

the middle of March, 1935. Q—Was that on March 14, 1935"

| A—Thereabouts.

Q—And was one check mailed on

| March 14, same being check No.

15920 in the amount of $15002 A— There was one check mailed in that amount.

Q-—And was another check, same | the | amount of $1000 to cover expenses |

being check No. 15921, in of Joel Baker, mailed on the same date? A—There was another check for that amount, mailed the same date. Q—Were those the only payments

that the Standard Nut Margarine |

Co. made to Joel Baker? A—To my knowledge. Q—And both of those pavments were made during the month of March, in the vear 1935? A—Yes.

| records.

| by I knew | very little about Mr, Baker's activ- | However, 1 have been advised |

A—Not the exact date. | : reporter to mark this as an exhibit.

| barger).

the order of [amount of $1500

A—Well, |

A—That I could not |

| it is.

| barger?

I presume it was

(Handing him papers.) A—That is correct, I would say March 14th, Mr. Senator. Q—Now, this check—was this check mailed to Joel Baker cashed him, and returned canceled?

A—I presume they were. They were |

returned. Q—Do vou have such checks with you? A—I do have. Q—Will you let me see them, please? A—Yes, sir. (Handing them to him) MR. BEDWELL—I will ask the (Hands exhibit No. 2 to Mr. HarshTell what Exhibit No. 2 is. A—This exhibit is a check, a Standard Nut Margarine check, aated March 1935, payable to Baker in the

14, Joel

Q—Was such check paid to him for his services as a legislative agent for the Standard Nut Mar-

| garine Co. during the 1935 session of | am |

the General Assembly? A—I

[advised that that is correct.

Q—Do vou know who employed for the Standard Nut MarA—I do not.

3 (Reporter marks it No. 3).

of cash, in the amount of $1000. Q—To whom was that check

sent? A—I presume this is the same |

check that I have reference to in my letter there, which would show it to be to Joel Baker. Q—No. 15821? A—That rect. Q—Was that check mailed to him to cover expenses in connection with the 1935 session of the General Assembly? A—I was advised that he had incurred expenses to that amount. Q—Who advised you, Mr. HarshA—One of the officers—I don't remember which one it was, whether it was the president or secretery-treasurer. Q—Who is the president of the Standard Nut Margarine Co.? A— Roland W. Spiegel. Q—Was he president of the company at that time? A-—He was. @—Who was the Secretary-Treas-urer. A—F. B. Abke.

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Q—Now did Joel Baker ever per- | form any other services of any | character whatsoever for the Standand Nut Margarine | knowledge? A—Not of my knowl- | edge. Q—Of your information? of my information.

A—Not

Q—Did he have any connection as |

an officer or stockholder or emI ployee with the Standard Nut Mar- | garine Co., other than this special employment? A—A stockholder—I [think he was a stockholder at one | time, Q—Was he in 19352 A—I couldn't answer that without the record, because I don’t remember.

Q—Has the Standard Nut Margarine Co. had any connection | with Joel Baker since that particu. | lar employment? A—No, sir, they have not. Q—Mr. Harshbarger, I showed [ you a letter here written by yourself dated July 31, 1936, addressed [to Joel A. Baker at 211 Beverly Drive, Indianapolis, Indiana, in i which you state: | “Our records reveal that we issued a check in your favor as compensation March 14, 1935. Our check No. 15,920, in the amount of $1500, also under same date, our check No. 15921 in the amount of $1000 covering expense account. Yours truly, Standard Nut Margarine Co. L. L. Harshbarger, Credit Manager.” Q—What was the occasion for [you writing that particular letter, |if you wrote it? A-—We received a request I wouldn't say, the request did not come direct to me; it came through the Secretary-Treasurer's office,

and he requested me to write Mr. |

Baker that information.

Q—You don't know why that in- | A—I do|

formation was inquired? not. Q—Or merely to confirm the mailing of the checks? A-—As far as we were concerned.

Q—When vou mailed these par- | ticular checks on March 14, 1935, did |

| you send any letter to Mr. Baker, | concerning the same? A—There was no letter written by myself. Q—Did you send the checks to him on March 14, 1935? A—Yes, all checks pass through my desk.

Co. to your

I believe, from Mr. Baker. |

asked for—but that was |

Q—You just mail them in an envelop without any correspondence? A—As a rule we do that. Q—1I believe you state, Mr. Harsh-

barger, this is the only connection |

Q—=(By MR. DENTON)-—I nao- | tice this check is made payable to cash, and it is not endorsed by anyone. Do you know why it { handled in that manner? A-—No, 1 don’t know, Mr. Denton. know why it was handled that way. I know one was compensation and the other expenses.

a representative A—That I could not

that payable to cash? A-Either | the president or secretary-treas- | urer’s office tions. Q—Did your company have an account in any bank other than the Indiana National Bank? A--Not | at that time? | Q=Did they have one before or | within a short time before, or after | that in any other bank? A--No. Q—I want to ask vou if $5000 in

| cash wasn't paid to Joel Baker be- |

sides this? edge. Q—Do you know whether $5000 | withdrawal was made at your bank | around that time? A-—I couldn't | answer that without looking on the | records. Q—You don't know about that? A—J don't know.

A—Not to my knowl-

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other payment was | made to him would you know about it? A—Not necessarily. | Q—Who would know? of the officers, | Q—What officer? A-—Well, the | president or the secretary-treasurer, Q—That is Mr. Abke? A=Mr, Abke, Q—Who had the power to draw money out of the bank? A-Those instructions are always issued through the president's or secretary's office Q (by Mr. Lamont)—Could anve one besides the president, secretary« treasurer or yourself draw money from the bank? A=No. Q—Who were the other officers of the corporation—the president or secretary-treasurer in 1935. A—We [had no other officers ‘at that time. Q—Who was the President at that time? A-—Mr. Spiegal. Q—What is his full name? | Roland W. Spiegal. | Q—And F. W. Abke was secretary« | treasurer? A-=Yes, sir. Q—He still is? A=Yes, sir. | Q—Mr. Spiegal is still president? { A—Yes, sir. Q— (By Mr. Carlson)=Are you ace quainted with Joel Baker's signae ture? A-No, sir, T never saw it until T looked at that check the other day. Q-—-You don't have any idea why these checks, why this payment was | made in two checks? A-I have no {idea at all. WITNESSED EXCUSED

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