Indianapolis Times, Volume 45, Number 50, Indianapolis, Marion County, 8 July 1933 Edition 02 — Page 1

TWO BLAZES AT BREWERY ARE PROBED Al Feeney Orders Several Persons to Appear for Questioning. DAMAGE KEPT SECRET Second Fire Breaks Out With Guards on Duty at Plant. State and city officials today are investigating two fires Friday and this morning in the Indianapolis Brewing Company plant, 1330-1340 Madison avenue, and several persons have been ordered to appear Monday for questioning in the statehouse office of Al Feeney, state safety director. After a visit to the fire scene,. Feeney placed Clem Smith, state fire marshal in personal charge of the state inquiry. The other inquiry is being made by the fire prevention bureau of the city fire department. “Smith will take personal charge of the investigation,” said Feeney, “and I have instructed him to start a probe immediately. Ordinarily, the state does not step in to investigate fires in the city unless requested to by the city fire department. Requires Immediate Attention “But due to circumstances surrounding the two blazes at the brewery, I feel that it requires our immediate attention.” Among those called for testimony are Harry E. Cohen, Chicago; James Ryan and James J. Darmody, Indianapolis, officials of the Home Brewing Company, which was refused a beer permit by Paul Fry, state excise director, after a start had been made on rehabilitating the brewery plant. Bookkeepers and others who were in the employ of the Home company also have been ordered to appear and Feeney instructed Smith to impound all books and documents of the company for use as evidence. Present tenant of the plant, which as yet has no permit to make beer is the International Brewing Company. SIOO,OOO Insurance Carried Insurance of SIOO,OOO is carried Feeney declared today. First fire was discovered in the four-story plant at 6:45 p. m., Friday. While five guards were on duty, the second fire broke out at 3 a m. today in malt bins. Brewery employes fought the fire which started in the old wing of the building today until the arrival of the fire apparatus. The owners would not state what the damage of the early morning fire was, but feared that some of the hoppers valued at more than $2,000 each were damaged beyond repair. Loss in the Friday night fire was estimated by the fire department to be about $2,000. Commends Fire Fighters John O. Spa hr, attorney and spokesman for the International Company, commended work of the salvage corps, stating that it t had saved thousands of dollars' worth of new equipment which just had been moved in, pending start of manufacture. He pointed out that Paul Fry. state excise director, had not yet granted the brewery a permit to operate. Spahr said that despite the fire the brewery would start operation in about two weeks, employing about 300 persons and would manufacture “good beer.” Spahr said he believed the building was covered fully by insurance against fire loss. Less than an hour before the blaze swept through the older portion of the building Friday where malt bins and elevator equipment were stored, 100 men employed in renovation work had quit for the day. Flames Shoot Into Air Flame's which shot more than 100 feet in the air enveloped the old wing of the structure. Thirteen pieces of fire apparatus responded to the alarm. Firemen, fighting their way through the dense smoke, soon had the flames subdued. But brands carried by wind started a half dozen small fires on the roof of the Geisen Products Company, a bottling concern, occupying the northern portion of the brewery plant. Firebrands also fell on a dozen roofs of homes northeast of the plant. Considerable confusion has surrounded efforts to open the brewery. Gold Medal beer, the nanie of the brand originally manufactured by the City Brewery Company, the original owners, was pre-empted when the Home Brewing Company began to rehabilitate the plant early in July. • Frank Mayr Jr., secretary of state, (Turn to Page Three) Times Index Amusement Page 2 Book-a-Day 6 Bridge 6 Broun Column 4 Church News 3 City Briefs 9 Classified 10 Comics li Conservation 6 Crossword Puzzle 9 Curious World 11 Dietz On Science 6 Editorial .. 4 Financial 9 Johnstone Cartoon 4 fcippman Column 9* Obituaries 12 Radio 12 Serial Story 11 Sports 7 Vital Statistics 9 ; Woman’s Page 5.6

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Hull Urges Action by Conference Plea to Nations of World to Bring Success at London Issued. BY HARRY FLORY United Pres* Staff Corresponrirnt LONDON, July B.—A statement calling upon the nations of the world to re-unite in efforts to bring about success for the world economic conference was issued late today by State Secretary Cordell Hull, head of the United States delegation. “I am confident that the majority of the delegates of the sixty-six nations represented at the conference heartily support the decision to continue,” Hull said. He listed seven points which he considered available for profitable discussion, and added: “We cannot pretend that we have exhausted the resources of statesmanship when we have not even (Turn to Page Three) ROCKEFELLER 94 TODAYiJESTS Spends Birthday Quietly; Usual Round of Golf Is Cancelled. BY DELOS SMITH United Press Staff Correspondent TARRYTOWN. N. Y„ July B. John D. Rockefeller hobbled around amid the splendor of his Pocantico hills estate today, delighted that he had survived his contemporaries and was 94 years old. When Rockefeller was younger he concentrated on building up the greatest industrial combine the world ever has known.In his declining years he has concentrated on achieving a greater ambition—longevity—and this day, despite its auspicious significance, offered no variation in the regulated routine of his existence except that his usual morning round of golf was cancelled. Immediately after he awoke this morning, his secretary read a few of the many messages of congratulation and the news items he had selected from the morning paper as suitable for the master. Breakfast was served at 8 o'clock and grace was said. After breakfast Rockefeller rested. Only a birthday cake with nine white candles and four pink candles will mark the day. It will be served at dinner tonight where John D Rockefeller Jr., Mrs. Rockefeller, their children and grandchildren will be guests. John D. Rockefeller 111 and his wife will be absent. They sailed Friday for Europe. BANDITS OPEN FIRE: TRAFFIC OFFICER SLAIN Policeman Murdered As He Seeks to Nab Holdup Men. Bn United Press CHICAGO, July B.—Harry Redelich, traffic policeman, was murdered as he sought to prevent a holdup. Redelich was on traffic duty at Kedzie and Madison streets when an excited bystander rushed to his side and told him a holdup was in progress at the John Compton & Cos., magazine concern nearby. The policeman started toward the establishment, met two bandits in the door and was shot down as the robbers fled. A police squad gave chase and captured two men they believed were guilty. Police said they recovered between S6O and S7O taken in the holdup. FILM ACTRESS WEDS Dorothy Jordan and Studio Production Chief Are Married. Bji t tilted Press HOLLYWOOD. July B.—The marriage of Dorothy Jordan, actress, and Merian C. Cooper, production chief at RKO-Radio studio, was announced here today. Mrs. E. P. Jordan announced her daughter and Cooper were married secretly in Williams, Ariz., last May 27. HAWKS IN AIR STUNTS Famous Flier Stages Nonstop Hop to Atlanta From Los Angeles. By l nited Press ATLANTA. GA„ July B.—Lieu-tenant-Ccmmander Frank Hawks, noted American flier, arrived at Candler field here at 9:15 a. m. today after a nonstop flight from Los Angeles. Hawks flew the distance in 11 hours and 45 minutes. He was to take part in a mammoth air stunt and exhibition program here this afternoon. CONCORDAT IS SIGNED Yatican Pact With Germany Is Initialled by Von Papen. By t utted Press VATICAN CITY. July B.—A concordat between the Vatican and Germany, regulating the position of Catholic organizations in Germany and officially sounding the death knell of the Catholic Centrist party, was initialled today by ViceChancellor Franz Von Papen of Germany and Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli, papal secretary of state. HOURLY TEMPERATURES 6a. m 75 10 a. m..... 82 7a. m 77 11 a. m..... 82 \ Ba. m 81 12 (noon).. 82 9 a. m 81 1 p. m 83

Mostly cloudy and somewhat cooler with showers tonight and possibly Sunday.

PRICES RISING TOO SWIFTLY, CAPITAL FEARS I Wages Must Keep Pace, Is View of Administration in Revival Drive. FIGHT TO STEM OUTPUT Glutted Market May Bring Dreaded Collapse, Warns Johnson. BY RAYMOND CLAPPER United Press Staff Correspondent WASHINGTON, July 8. Two main worries have thrust themselves up before busy administration officials directing the recovery drive. One is the rapid rise of prices. The other is the rapid increasing in output. Energies at the week-end largely were concentrated on these two situations. As to prices, the administration still has a long way to go in its drive to lift them up to normal. They now are about one-third below the 1926 level, which is the general target. But the administration does not want to see this climb all in one leap. Drive to Get Wages Up That would make it impossible for persons still on depression wages and salaries to buy goods. General Hugh Johnson and his recovery administration are driving to get wages up. It is slow work. The national industrial administrator is issuing blunt warnings that unless wages and people are put back to work through shortening of hours, they will not be able to buy. If they can’t buy. goods will pile up in factories and on store shelves. Then there will be another collapse. General Johnson shudders to think what would happen if that should occur. Restraint Is Urged Failure of this effort would not bring back the old system, according toThe view of many here. General Johnson says that if the last collapse brought about the present attempt at government directions, the Lord only knows what another collapse would bring about. What Washington is asking now of business men is patience and restraint. Business men are asked to be content with modest profits, and to hold their production to the limits of probable consumption (Turn to Page Three) ITALIANS STILL HELD DOWN BY WEATHER Air Squadron Ready for Hopoff at Any Time. B]t United Press REYKJAVIK, Iceland, July B. Bad weather continued today to hold Italy’s air fleet of twenty-four seaplanes, en route to the Chicago exposition. General Italo Balbo was ready for a quick takeoff for Cartwright, Labrador, as soon as conditions were good. TRipletax levy voilded Intangibles Ruling Is Handed Down by State Board. Triple levy of the intangibles tax law on notes and collections was ruled out today by an order from the state tax board. Philip Zoercher, tax board chairman, announced the new rule as follows: When a collection suit is brought on a note the note must bear the intangibles tax stamp. Such tax also will be levied on the judgment and on sheriff’s tax sales. But only the original tax on the note need be paid in any one year. FILL VETERANS QUOTA 31 Are Enlisted in Civilian Conservation Corps Here Today. Final group of World war veterans enlisted in the civilian conservation corps was inducted today by Major J. H. Davidson, assistant chief of staff, Indiana military area, in preparation for being sent to Ft. Knox, Ky. There were thirty-one veterans from various sections of the state in the group, completing Indiana's quota of 650 veterans. Twenty-three companies, with 200 men in each, have been sent from Indiana to C. C. C. camps in California.

$150,000 Ransom Demand for Factor Boosted

BY ROBERT T LOUGHRAN United Press Staff Correspondent CHICAGO, July B.—Two of the west’s most feared desperadoes, Charles iPretty Boy) Floyd and Verne Sankev. are suspected in the kidnaping of John Jake the Barber) Factor, the United Press learned today. At the same time is was disclosed that negotiations for Factor's return, conducted secretly since he was abducted a week ago tnis morning. have collapsed entirety. The sensational turn in the eightday old case came as Jacob Arvey, Moe Rosenberg, and A. L. Epstein, who was with Factor when he was abducted from a north side roadhouse. admitted their efforts to obtain his release were futile. It was understood they would withdraw from the case.

INDIANAPOLIS, SATURDAY, JULY 8, 1933

LA FOLLETTE HEIR POSES FOR HIS FIRST PORTRAIT

The youngest of the famous La Follettes of Wisconsin, just tdn weeks old, poses for his first picture in the iap of his mother at the La Follette farm near Ma dison, Wis. The father, Senator Robert M. La Follette, son of the late “Fighting Bob.” looks on proudly. The baby, not yet named, probably will not be another “Bcb,” for too many relatives have adopted that name, says the mother.

12 LOSE LIVES IN CLOUDBURST Flood Wipes Out Canyon Towns; Death Toll May Reach 20. Bn United Press MORRISON, Colo., July B—At least a dozen lives were lost Friday as a sudden mountain cloudburst poured a ten-foot wall of water down Bear Creek canyon upon a string of resort towns and fishing cabins. The death toll may reach twenty, it was feared today. Two towns, Morrison and Starbuck, almost were wiped out as the torrential flood struck. Scores of cabins along the canyon between the two points were destroyed. Property damage ran into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Every bridge along the canyon between Morrison and Starbuck was washed out, and long stretches of the road itself were destroyed. Hundreds of head of live stock were drowned. Known missing and believed dead w r ere: Mrs. Vincent Soderman, 33, Denver. Eunice, her daughter, 4. W. L. Burton of Starbuck. Ben Corbi, about 6, of Starbuck. Bud Corbi, his younger brother. $15,000 DAMAGES ARE ASKED FOR INJURIES Woman Files Suit in Superior Court Against Bank. Injuries received when she fell into a cold air duct at 615 East Fifteenth street in 1931 are cited by Mrs. Lena Dalton in a $15,000 damage suit against the Union Trust Company, filed in superior court two today. According to the complaint, Mrs. Dalton and her husband moved into the house, after renting it from the trust company, and immediately complained of the grating over the duct. It was repaired, the suit alleges, but the grating was not secure, resulting in the fall when Mrs. Dalton stepped on it. The suit was filed by William J. Fahey and Robert Dalton, attorneys, for Mrs. Dalton.

Accuse Arthur Chevrolet of Hitting Elderly Woman

Accused of being the hit-and-run driver who lashed an elderly woman and her son with a length of wire cable after sideswiping their car, Arthur Chevrolet, 2911 East Riverside drive, w'ell-known motor manufacturer, was arrested on assault and battery charges Friday night. Chevrolet was released on SSO bond. Today in municipal court three the case was continued to Tuesday morning because of absence of the prosecuting witnesses. He was arrested on an affidavit filed by Mrs. Rebecca Freije, 4102 Cornelius avenue. Fred Freije. her son. 20, of the Cornelius avenue address, said he and his mother were driving in

Future negotiations will be conducted by William ‘Red) Cohen, brother-in-law of Factor, and former prize fighter, and Factor's son, Jerome, 19. himself a kidnap victim less than three months ago. From a source close to the family it was learned that the ransom demand. originally $150,000 and then reduced, now* was “more than ever.” Information has been received, the United Press learned, that Floyd was seen at Arlington race track two days before the abduction. He familiarized himself with Factor’s movements and Sankey established local gang connections for the kidnaping. it was understood. Sankey co-operated with the northwest side Touhy gang, bitter rival of the collapsed Capone mob, it was believed. Negotiations con-

Soviet Airmen May Aid Mattern Resume Flight Big Arctic Patrol Ship Will Fly to Alaska for Parts If Needed by American. BY EUGENE LYONS United Press Staff Correspondent MOSCOW, July B.—A Soviet Arctic seaplane going to the aid of stranded Jimmie Mattern at Anadir, near the Bering strait, will fly to Alaska for new parts to repair Mattern’s plane and permit him to continue his solo flight around the world if repairs are possible, the United Press learned

ELECTRIC SPARK FATALTO TWO Ignites Gasoline in Tub Prepared for Cleaning Lace Curtains. Bn United Press BELLEVILLE, 111., July B.—Two women were burned fatally today when a spark from an electric switch ignited gasoline in a tub which had been set in the basement of a home preparatory to cleaning lace curtains. The women, Mrs. Arthur Despain, 36. and Mrs. Prentice Multon, 32. sisters-in-law, died later in St. Elizabeth’s hospital. The explosion damaged the foundation of the Despain home and ripped a large hole in the flooring of the first floor. MAn795. D!ES; LEAVES 93 LIVING DESCENDANTS Among Survivors of Elkhart Man Are 6 Children, 37 Grandchildren. By United Press ELKHART, Ind., July 8. —John Kistner, 95, who claimed ninetythree living descendants, died here today. Among the survivors are six children, thirty-seven grandchildren, fifty-two great-grandchildren, and three great-great-grandchildren. Kistner moved here from Pennsylvania. where he was born, fortyfive years ago.

the 4300 block of North Meridian street, Thursday night, when a car attempted to pass from the rear and struck their machine. A short argument ensued, Freije charged, and the driver of the other car obtained a wire cable length from his car and struck Freije in the face. Freije said the other driver also struck Mrs. Freije in the face with his fist and belabored her shoulders with the cable. The other driver then cursed them, returned to his car and drove away, Freije told police, who sought Chevrolet when they found the license plate number given them by Freije corresponded to the one issued to Chevrolet.

ducted by Arvey and Rosenberg were through the Capone gangsters, it was believed. Although no reason was given for failure of the negotiations, the “wrong connections” were believed a contributing factor. Charles Tierney, St. Paul detective chief, was due here today to confer with local authorities on similarities in the Hamm and Factor cases. Factor's associates scoffed at charges of Franklin Gvermeyer, legal representative of Great Britain, that Factor “framed” the kidnaping to escape possible extradition to England, where he is sought in connection with a $7,000,000 stock swindle. Overmeyer branded the kidnaping a hoax. Factor's friends pointed out that lie had made no preparations to

today. If repairs are impossible—and dispatches reporting that the motor of his plane was “wrecked” indicated this might be the case—the Soviet plane will carry Mattern on to Nome, Professor Otto Schmidt, Polar explorer and head of all Soviet government Arctic air stations, told the United Press. Chief Pilot Levanevsky is in charge of the heavy plane, and has four men with him. “I have instructed Levanevsky to find Mattern, and render him all assistance,” said Professor Schmidt. “If Mattern’s plane was not wrecked, Levanevsky has capable mechanics, who will be able to repair it and permit Mattern to take off. “Certainly Levanevsky is in better position than anybody to establish contact with Mattern.” There is a radio station at Anadrisk, but the town is cut off from civilization most of the year and communication is most difficult at all times. MeSvSage Is Intercepted Bn United, Press SAN FRANCISCO, July B.—Further word of the safety of James Mattern, round-the-world flier, stranded in the Arctic, was received in a message flashed to the coast guard station here today through the cutter Northland in the North Pacific, which intercepted the news from a Siberian radio station. The message read: “Flier Mattern on the 14th of June met accident eighty miles west of Anadir. Plane crushed to pieces. Mattern unhurt. On sth of July Mattern was found and brought where he is now staying.” The message was in Russian and was translated by Alexander Mattison, dean of the Russian Trinity church here, w r ho said the phraseology, “brought to Anadir,” indicated the Texas aviator became lost in the rugged Siberian country after his plane crashed and was found by searchers in an exhausted condition.

FINISH VAN CAMP DEAL' Sale of Companies Confirmed in Order by Carl Wilde. Sale of plants and inventories of the Van Camp products companies! at Louisville to the Glidden Com- j pany, New York, was confirmed in a final order issued today by Carl Wilde, federal bankruptcy referee. Sale of other Van Camp properties was approved July 1. Operating rights, trade names and inventories of the companies were obtained by the Stokely Brothers & Company, Louisville, last month. Later the same company acquired the Indianapolis properties, which are being operated with a full season’s packing schedule. i

leave, that all his interests lie in Chicago and that business plans he made a few days before the abduction precluded possible hoax. It also was learned that Murray Humphries, public enemy No. 1, is within five hours driving distance of Chicago and preparing to surrender to face 'charges of income tax evasion. This refuted reports that Factor and Humphries are fleeing the country. Overmeyer and Lewis Bernays, British consul, who have conducted efforts to extradite Factor to England, asked federal authorities to arrest Factor immediately. As they served their demand, they explained they have been attempting to extradite Factor for two years and said they regarded the abduction as

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JIM WATSON ‘BACK OF SCREEN’ IN BIG INSURANCE BATTLE Connection of Ex-Senator With Gigantic Plan to Take Over Illinois Life Company Is Revealed. MILLIONS INVOLVED IN HUGE DEAL Hoosier Political Leader Said to Be Slated for ‘Director and General Counsel’ of Organization. BY CHARLES E. CARLL Times Staff Writer CHICAGO, July B.—While 70,000 policyholders of the defunct Illinois Life Insurance Company today await a federal decision on the future of their millions in investments, James E. Watson, Indiana’s former senator, is waiting to see if he will add the insurance business to his gains of a varied career. Watson, The Times has discovered, is active in seeking control of the firm that, before its crash nine months ago, was one of the greatest insurance companies in the middlewest. Its 70,000 policyholders held insurance valued at $144,000,000 and assets of the company were at the $44,000,000 mark. Activities of the former senator, known to his associates

WOMAN FLIER RACINGJRECORD Amelia Earhart Pauses at Amarillo, Tex., in Dash Across Country. By United Press AMARILLO, Tex., July 8. —Amelia Earhart Putnam took off for St. Louis at 8:10 a. m. today after an emergency landing here on her dash to beat her own transcontinental speed record. A loosened hatch on the cockpit of her plane forced her to make an unscheduled, stop here. Airport mechanics quickiy repaired the hatch and she resumed the flight. The famous woman pilot who took off from Los Angeles at 1:12 a. m. (Indianapolis time) today for Newark, N. J., landed here at 7:45 a. m. She told airport attendants the hatch became loosened before she reached the Texas line. The repairs were made while her plane was being refueled and oiled. WIRES SAVE GIRL, 11, FROM DROP TO DEATH Child, Suffering From Strange Malady, Brought Here. Bn United Press BERNE, Ind., July B.—Two strands of telephone wire saved the life of Anna Lee Weaver .11, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Elmer Weaver, Geneva, when she either jumped of fell from the second story window of the Hossman hospital here. The girl was found dangling on the wires by an attendant who pulled her back through the window. She was said to be suffering from a strange illness and was removed immediately to the Riley hospital at Indianapolis. YOUNG TO HEAR iASE Named to Serve as Special Master in Limestone Affair. Howard S. Young, Indianapolis attorney, today was named by Federal Judge Robert C. Baltzell to serve as special master in chancery in the Bloomington Limestone Company case. Young will conduct hearings on the reorganization plan proposed for the company. BEGIN "HOLTdaTaT FQRT Citizens Soldiers Will Take Vacation Over Week-End. Citizen soldiers attending the Citizens’ Military Training Camp at Ft. Benjamin Harrison today began a week-end holiday, following a minute inspection of the camp by Colonel William R. Standiford this morning. The first parade of the camp was held Friday before a large group of spectators.

a “blind” by Factor. Melvin Purvis, local chief of the United States bureau of investigation, received the complaint. Overmeyer said he believed Factor was fleeing to Mexico. He said he understood Factor gained entrance to the United States through that country. Overmeyer also regarded the kidnaping of Jerome as a hoax. He pointed out that Factor was to have appeared before the United States supreme court in Washington April 15. He failed to appear, using the fact that his son was being held captive as an alibi. Overmeyer said he suspected a fraud during Jerome’s captivity. Purvis also believed that Factor was fleeing and added that Humphries may be with him.

HOME EDITION PRICE TWO CENTS Outside Marion County, 3 Cents

as “The Hon. James E. Watson,” in the bid for mutualization of the defunct firm with the aid of an R. F. C. loan of $3,000,000 have been kept secret. In this city, men who have been interested in reorganization of the company since its receivership last fall were not aware that Watson was involved in the transaction. He would be, it is said, a director and general counsel for the company. The group with which Watson is “associated” is known to Judge James H. Wilkerson and his committee of three attorneys, who will make the recommendation on resurrection of the company, as “Hugh D. Hart and associates.” .Watson Behind Scenes Watson never has appeared before the committee, named by the court, and Wilkerson told The Times that the bid backed by the group had not made its appearance until after open hearings in federal court. It is one of fifteen before the committee. Although Watson's associates deny that there is any attempt to make money speedily, and that profits on new business of the company, under their mutualization plan will be the only revenue source, expert insurance men of thus city say that with a 10 per cent share in the company, when formed, “we never would have to worry about the future.” First admission that Hart and Watson were involved in the attempts to gain control of the company came from General Abel Davis, chairman of the board of the Chicago Title and Trust Company, and receiver for the insurance firm. Davis, head of a mammoth company in his own right, has been in charge of the receivership since the company crashed. Three Attorneys Named Several weeks ago, Judge Wilkerson turned the proposals for rehabilitation of the company over to three attorneys—Will H. Thompson, Indianapolis; Thomas L. Marshall, Chicago, and Sam Swansen, insurance attorney of Milwaukee. The committee has heard oral presentations on each of the fifteen bids for the company in private ! meetings and Monday or Tuesday ■ is scheduled to recommend one of them to Wilkerson. Members of the committee have been silent on the Hart-Watson proposition. They assert, that as agents of the court it is their duty to reach a definite recommendation and present it to Wilkerson. Marshall told The Times that he feared any advance publicity on any of the bids would tend to “panic” policyholders. • The Times does not know which of the bids will be accepted and does not make the assertion that the Hart-Watson proposition even has obtained serious consideration). Carlstrom Denies Reports After the admission from Davis that Watson was in the transaction, The Times correspondent talked with Oscar E. Carlstrom, former Republican attorney-general of Illinois. Carlstrom immediately denied reports that Hugh D. Hart and associate would rewrite present policies, collecting huge commissions on the first year's business, that might run into millions. “Our proposal is fair to the policyholders,” he said. “We couldn't and wouldn't attempt any such scheme.” "If that was the plan, , you wouldn't be a party to it as counsel in these hearings?” he was asked. “I should say not,” he replied. Would Tear Up Proposition “You'd tear up the proposition? “I'd tear up the proposition,” he answered. “No man with any selfrespect would attempt such a thing and still face one of those policyholders.” Carlstrom explained that Watson had been here recently and was one of the “associates.” He also confirmed the fact that Watson had not appeared at committee hearings. Carlstrom said Patrick j. Hurley, former secretary of war, holder of a |70,000 policy, also was interest(Turn to Page Six)