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MRS SIMMONS WITHSTANDS GRILLING IN POISON TRIAL

BY STAFF CORRESPONDENT LEBANON. Ind., Oct. 29.—With calm, well-turned phrases that resisted the searching questions put by the state. Mrs. Carrie Simmons. Hancock county farm wife, today and Wednesday defended herself on cross-examination in her trial here on the charge of murdering her daughter, Alice Jean. The prosecution’s grilling ran the scale of the trial's testimony. They queried her on the alleged strained relationship between the Simmons family and the Horace N. Jackson famliy. They stressed her illness in the last two years and her admitted sleeplessness in the last decade. They took her over the Incidents at the picnic grounds, at the meeting at the W. H. Pollard home, and into the making of the sandwiches in the farm home. The verbatim testimony to Special Prosecutor Roy Adney today and Wednesday follows: Q—Mrs. Simmons, you are 47 years old? A—Yes, sir. Q —What was your lather's name? A—Benton L. Barrett. Q—Your mother’s name? A—Sarah Elizabeth Barrett. Q—Did you spend your girlhood days in Green township, Hancock county? A—l did. Q —ls your mother dead? A—Yes, sir. Q—When did she die? A—ln 1913. Has Three Sisters Q—Do you have any brothers and 6isters? A—l do. Q—Who are they? A—l have three sisters, Margaret Barrett, a maiden lady, and Mrs. Alva and Mrs. Wood I have three brothers. Q —Have any ol them been to the trial here? < Objected to as not material. Sustained after she had answered in the affirmative.) Q —After your mother’s death did your father remarry? (Ojection sustained.) Q —When did your father remarry? (Objections by the defense to this question resulted in a recess while attorneys argued admissibility of evidence concerning the life of Mrs. Simmons’ father, Benton L. Barrett.) Cite Kolb Trial Q —Do you remember one occasion when the Kolb murder trial was going on at Greenfield? A—Yes. Q—You went to it? A—l heard about it. Q —Do you remember reading anything about it? A—No, I don’t. Q —Do you take any papers. A—Yes, the Indianapolis Star and the Greenfield paper. Q—Did those papers contain any account of the Kolb trial? A—They did, but } didn’t read them. I jusfread the headlines. Q—Your husband attended the trial, did he not? A—l think he was there once or twice for just a short time. Q —You discussed it with him, did you not? A—l did not. Did You Know He Did? Q —How do you know he attended the trial? A—He said he did. Q—Did he tell you anything about the trial? A—No, sir. Q—And all that time you had these papers in the house containing a full account of the trial? A—Yes. Q —Did you know anything about the symptoms of strychnine poisoning prior to this tragedy? A—l did not. Q —You saw Mr. Jackson on the day of the picnic? A—Yes. Q—Will you describe his actions, as you saw them at that time, to the jury? A—The one time when I seen him, the first time, he was sitting with his elbows on the table. I wasn't very close to him, 25 or 30 feet. Q—And you saw these peculiar motions he was going through at the time? A—He wasn't making any motions, he just hollered. Ask About Convulsions Q —At the time you saw him he wasn’t having any convulsions? A—No sir. Q—No spasmodic movements? A—No sir. Q—Did you go up to him and tell him you were sorry he was sick? A—No sir, I was looking after my own children. Q—What were you doing with your own children at that time? A—The first time I saw him lying on the ground, I was getting water for the children to use washing out their mouths. Here the prosecution asked Mrs. Simmons about visiting the store of Charles W. Friendman on South Meridian street, Indianapolis. Q—You didn't go to any drug stores? A—No sir. For Drink or Anything Q—You didn't go to any drug store for a drink or anything? A—No sir. Q—And you are sure of that? A—l am. Q—You didn't go into Mr. Friedman's store that day? A—No. sir. and no other day. I never saw the man. Q—You didn't buy any strychnine in any drug store that day? A—l never bought any strychnine in my life. Q—You saw Mr. Friedman over here in the jail didn't you? A—l did. Q—At that' time, he looked familiar to you. didn't he? A—He did not. Q~Di dn t you say you had seen h:m before? A—l did not. I said he looked or rather acted, like someone? Q—What did you mean by that? A—Well his actions attracted my attention the most. He was very nerv' and I thought he was nervo s from the accident he said he had had. I never thought of any one who looked like him before. Q—How long did you talk in there, Mrs. Simmons, at that time? A—Ten nr HnulM.

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Q —At the end of ten or fifteen minutes, Mr. Small came back? A—Yes. he came to the door and said he was ready to go. Didn't Observe Actions Q —Did Mr. Friedman then get up and leave? A—Yes. Q —When he got up and left, you observed his actions as he walked? A—Not that I recall. Q —You saw him walk out of the room, didn’t you? A—Not in particular; I realized he was leaving. Q —After he left the room, who first spoke? A—Well, I follow? 1 Mrs. Small’s and my husband's conversation. Q —Who talked first? A—Mrs. Small. Q—Then your husband and then you made this observation you have told the jury about? A—l did. Saw Him Again in Court Q—Did your husband hear you make this observation? A—He did. Q—Then after he left, you never saw him any more until you saw him here in the courtroom? A—l did not. Q —Go ng back to the Terminal station. After your husband came back, you then went to Block’s store? A—We did. When we left Wasson's we went to Grayson’s. Q —How many times had you been there before that? A—Six or eight times. Q —Within the last year? A—Oh, no. Probably once or twice in the last year. Q—Did anybody go with you on those previous occasions? A—Yes, my husband or Elizabeth went with me. Husband Accompanied Her Q—You never went alone? Your husband had a habit of going in at the ladies’ ready to wear stores in Indianapolis with you? He knew the women's stores about as well as you did, didn’t he? A—He usually went. Q—He helped you pick out the things you got? A—He expressed an opinion. Q—He always did that, didn’t he? A—Not alw-ays. Q—Well, about always? A—Yes. Q —And he has done that ever since you were married, hasn’t he? A—He has. Q—When you buy anything you pick it out and he pays the bill? A—Yes. Sometimes Pay Bills Q—You don’t pay any bills, do you? A—Sometimes I did. Q—When you stopped at L. Strauss, did your husband get weighed? A—He did. Q —What did he weigh? A—l don’t remember, probably 175. Q—You stayed at Block’s until 11 or after, and your husband stayed around there w T hile the dress was pressed? A—Yes. Q—There was nothing for him to do, was there? You didn’t buy anything more, did you? A—No, sir. He didn’t aim to go until I got ready. Q —And it was only a few seeps from Block’s store to the Claypool, wasn’t it? A—lt was. Quizzed About Jackson Q —Was he waiting for anything in particular except to w'alk that half block with you? A—That's all. Q —How long have you known Horace Jackson? A—Practically all my life. Q —You lived in the same neighborhood when you were young? A—No, sir. Not in the same neighborhood, but he visited frequently in the neighborhood in which I lived. Q —And your relations were cordial and friendly up to the time he got in trouble, were they? A—Not particularly; until I was in the Simmons family. Q —But after you and he married into the Simmons family, from that time your relations were cordial and friendly up to the time he got in trouble? A—Yes. I would say they were. Families Often Visited Q—You visited? A—Yes. sir. Q—And he and his family visited in your home? A—Frequently. Q —And your family in theirs? A—Yes, sir. Q—Up to the time he got into this trouble? A—Yes. Q —Then after he got in trouble, you never saw him for a w'hile? A—Two or three years. Q—And after he left, what were your relations with Lora Jackson, and her children; friendly or otherwise? A—Were friendly for a while. Q —Until when? A—She went and lived with her mother a while. As long as she lived there we were friendly and then she moved to Wilkinson and we never visited her after that. Had No Trouble Q —Did you have any trouble? A—Not in particular, no. Q —You never did have any trouble with the Jackson family, did you? A—Not what you would just call trouble, probably. Q—You never had any arguments or disputes with them at any time, did you? A—No. sir. Q—Neither did your husband, did he? A—Not to my knowledge. Q—You never had any family quarrels? A—No, sir. Q—How long did they live in the town of Wilkinson? A—l don’t know; possibly two years. Saw Them at Funerals Q —Did you see them in the two'■"“r period they lived in Wilkinson? A—l did. Q—Where? I seen them at funerals; I sqjfr them at John’s father’s funeral. O Von f-1* Mi- cen-

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duct had brought disgrace on the family and that was the reason you had no more to do with him and that is the reason you had no more tq do with his family? Is that right? A—lt was. Q—You felt the same toward Mrs. Jackson, did you, or not, or did you quit speaking to her? A —l did. She didn't speak to me and I didn’t to her. Q —You didn't go out of your way to be friendly, did you? A—No, sir. Q —Did you go out of your way to be friendly with the children? A—No, sir. No Harm From Children Q—The children never harmed you. did they? A—Not to my knowledge. Q—You never had any trouble with Lora Jackson or either of her children at any time, did you? A—Not in particular, no. Q —When was it you had this big celebration of your wedding anniversary? A—Three years ago. Q —What time? A—October 20. Q—That was your twenty-fifth . anniversary of your marriage, wasn’t it? A—lt was. Q —At that time you sent written invitation to people? A—We did. Many Were Invited Q—Did you send people generally or send a few Invitations and then invite about everybody to come? A-i-As I recall, we sent invitations to every one. I wish to correct my statement, it was a few over 200 instead of 300 who attended this celebration. Q —But you sent written invitations to all who attended? A—We did. Q —They brought presents? A—They did. Q—You and your husband met them at the door? A—We did. Q —Were Horace Jackson and his family invited? if so, by whom? A—My husband did. Q —Do you recall who wrote the invitations? A—l can’t say who addressed the envelope. He wrote a card and put it inside. Exhibit 20 was shown, bearing postmark Charlottsville, Oct. 14, 1929, stamped at 10 a. m., invitation to Mr, and Mrs. H. N. Jackson and family, Charlottsville, Ind.. rural route: “Mr. and Mrs. John W. Simmons request your presence at their twenty-fifth wedding anniversary at their home on Oct. 29, 1929, from 2 until 4 p. m.’’ Exhibit 21—“ Would like for the girls to help serve if they can.” Exhibit 22 —" Forget the past and come.” Q —At that time had you forgotten the past? A—No, sir. Q—You remembered the past, didn’t you? A—€ certainly did. She Did Not Forget. Q —But you asked them to forget, didn’t you? A—l did not. Q—Your husband did? A—Yes, sir. Q—They came, didn’t they? A—Yes. Q —Did they come into the house together at that time? A—They did. Q—And your husband was standing nearest to the door as they came in? A—He was. Q —Did you talk to any of them at that time? A—l did not. Brought No Presents Q —Did you greet any of them at that time? A—l did not. Q —Did they bring any presents at that time? A—They did not. Q —You saw them? A—l did. Q—Did they shake hands with your husband? A—l wouldn’t say that they .shook hands, they just spoke and nodded their heads. Q —And what did they mean when they nodded their heads? A—Just to say “hello.” Q—Did they speak to you? A—They did not. Q —Did you think that was strange? A—l thought it was strange that people would come into your own home and not speak to you. No Opportunity to Speak Q—Did you try to speak to them? A—They didn’t give me an opportunity. Q—Did you make an effort? A—l didn’t run after them. no. Q —Did you smile at them, or anything of that kind? A—l did not. no, sir. Q —Did you talk .to any member of the family on that occasion? A—l did not. Q—Did you talk to Lois? A—l did not. Not that I have any knowledge of. Q—To refresh your recollection, didn’t you talk to Lois during the evening? A—Not that I know' of. Q—That is your best recollection? A—Yes. Didn't Talk to Mrs. Jackson Q —Did you talk to Lora Jackson. A—l did not. Q —You have never had a word with her about anything, have you? A—No; and I don’t want to have. I had no desire to talk to her. Q—And you were hostile toward her at that time? A—l didn't exactly feel that way toward her. If I had had my way they wouldn’t have been invited. Q—Had Jackson’s trouble preceded your owm trouble? A—l have never had any that I know of. Q—No family trouble? A—No. sir. Q —Never did? A—No. sir. Q—Your father had had trouble, hadn’t he? (Defense objection sustained.) Q—At that time you had no grudge against either Mrs. Jackson ct her children. No ill feeling toward either one of them? A—l had in a certain way. Q—Tell the jury in your own way *

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A—l just didn’t like the way that she had done. Q —ln what way? A—Different things that she had did from the time that he had first left until he came back. Q—What had she done? A—She had upheld him in quite a bit of his meanness. Q —Sometimes a loyal wife does those things, doesn't she? (Defense objection overruled). Q —What do you saw about it? A—Yes. ? lo'•'> , v Q—You never knew of Lora Jackson doing anything wrong, did you? A—l have heard of it. Q —What have you heard? A—l heard that she got rid of quite a bit of stolen goods that he t ' ' to her home. Just Heard Story Q—Who told you? A—l just heard it. Q—Who told you? A—Well, my mother-in-law. Q —Who else? A—l heard talk from most everyone in the Simmons family. Q —And the Simmons family were the ones who told that? A—lt was so publicly known that they heard it. (Struck out by state’s objection.) Q—You don’t know whether they were telling you the truth about that or not? (Defense objection sustained.) Q— you don’t know anything about Mt yourself, do you? A—l never seen it. Q—When was it you heard about it? A—Between the two times he w r as in the penitentiary. Can’t Recall Informant Q—Who was the first person who told you that? A—l couldn’t just say who was the first one. Q—You don’t remember who it was told you that first? A—No, I don’t. Q—After they went back there to live on this farm, they have lived there ever since haven’t they? A—Seventeen years, or something like that. Q—ls that right? A—l don’t just know how long. Q—About how long do you say that it was? A—l don’t know', exactly; probably twelve years. Q —lt might have been longer? A—l couldn’t say. Q—They hate lived there in that community ever since that time? A—Yes. Hasn’t Visited Them Q—And you haven’t visited them there? A—No, and they haven’t visited us. Q —The only times you ever saw them were at those reunions and on the occasion of the silver wedding anniversary you testified about? A —l have seen them once in a while, and at different places. Q —Where have you seen them? A—They attended the farm bureau meetings once in a while. Q—Are you a member of the farm bureau? A—No; but my husband is. Q—Do you go because your husband is a member? A—l go because I want to. The meetings are open to the public. Q—You go where your husband goes? A—Yes. Jacksons Also Attend Q —And Mr. Jackson and his family go. too? A—Occasionally. Q—You see them there? A—Yes. Q —When j'ou see them there do you speak to them? A—No, sir. Q —And you haven't spoken to them for years yourself? A—l have not. Q—For seventeen years, something like that? A—No, sir. Q—And Joe McClaren is a brother-in-law of yours, isn’t he? A—Yes. Q—You haven't spoken to him for a number of years have you? (Defense objection sustained.) Q —Mamie Moffet is a sister-in-law of yours, isn't she? A—l don’t know any such person. Q —Nellie Moffet is your sister-in-law, isp’t she? A—Yes. Denies Dissatisfaction in Hint Q —You haven’t been on friendly terms with her either, have you? (Defense objection sustained.) Q—Have you ever discussed your family affairs with Mrs. Moffett? (Defense objection overruled.) A—Not in particular. Q—Have you ever discussed your own family relations with Mrs. Moffett? A—No. sir. Q—Did you ever tell Mrs. Moffett that you are not satisfied with married life? A—l never did. Q—Did you ever wish John would leave? A—No, sir. Q —You never made such a statement to Mrs. Moffett? A—No, sir. Nor anybody else. Q —Ever have any conversation with her along that line? A—No, sir. Not her nor any one else. Q —At her home or elsewhere? (Defense objection overruled.) A—No, sir. (Adney: We have a right to go into this. Tindall: Go ahead.) Querried on Home Happiness Q —What is the fact as to whether or not your home life has been happy? A—lt has. Q —How long? Ever since you were married? A—Yes. Q—Did you ever discuss those matters with your mother-in-law, Charity Simmons? A—What matters? (Defense objection sustained.) Q —Did you ever discuss your family relations with your mother-in-law? A—Not in particular. Q—How' long have you been in ill health. Mrs. Simmons? A—Possibly three years. Q —About three years ago you had an operation, didn't you? A—A year ago lasUfFebruary. Q —That was ail>*peration for gallstones, wasn’t it?* A —T* _________

Q —And ever since that operation and before for some time you have been in ill health, haven’t you? A—l have been failing. I never was bedfast. Q—How' long had you been failing? Before you had that operation? A—Practically two years before the operation. Q—Before you began to fail in health you weighed about 160 pounds? A—l did. Q—Then you lost weight down to the point where you weighed how much? A—When I left the hospital I weighed 119. Q —That was about the weight that you had when you entered the hospital? A—l was there eleven days for observation before I was operated on. Q—Had you ever been in the hospital before? A—Only to visit the sick people. Q —l mean on your own account? A—No, not for myself. Had Taken Treatment Q —Had you taken treatment before that time? A—l had. Q —Who was your attending physician? A—l had more than one. Q —Name the ones you had. A—Dr. Titus, medical doctor of Wilkinson, and I doctored with Dr. Thornton Gary of Knightstown and I went to the sanitarium at Martinsville and doctored with Dr. Schearer about a month. Q —When were you in the sanitarium? A—lt w'as two years, I believe, two years this last January or February. Q —With respect to the time you were operated on, when was it? A—lt was before. Q —What were you in the sanitarium for at that time? A—Dr. Titus advised me to go there. Q —At that time were you nervous? A—No, sir. Was Losing Weight Q —Were you losing weight? A—l was. Q—Have you any particular trouble? Organic? Pain or anything? A—No, I was just losing weight and appetite. Q—Do you sleep well at night? A—That is something I never did do. Q —Never sleep well? A—No, sir. Q—During the time that you were feeling ill, did you take sleeping powders occasionally? A—l did not. Q—When did you begin? A—l never did. Q —Did you take any kind of powders for your nerves? A—l did not. Q —Have you taken any recently? A—No, sir. Capsules in Jail Q —Have you taken any since you have been in jail? A—No, sir. Q —You have had capsules with powder in them since you have been in jail? A—l have. Q —Didn’t you take them? A—l did not. Q —Who got them for. you? A—My husband did. Q —What became of them? (Defense objection sustained.) Q —Now, you had been in a sanitarium at Martinsville for eleven days, or a month, I believe you said? A—About a month. Q —That was before you were operated on? A—Yes. Q —Your health has never been good since it began to fail several years ago? A— not what you would say perfect. Q—During that time did you have lapses of memory? A—l did not. Memory Is Good Q —There have been times in ypur life when you couldn't remember what you did? A—There have not. Q —Your memory is good and has been at all times? A—Yes. Q —How long has it been since you failed to sleep at night? A—Thirty or forty years. Q—How much sleep do you get at night? A—Probably two hours. Q —ls that sound sleep, Mrs. Simmons? A—lt is sound. Q—What time do you ordinarily go to bed at night? A—That depends. Q —Well, ordinarily when you are out on the farm? A—All the way from Bto 9 o’clock. Q—And get up about what time? A—Five o’clock. Sleeps Around Midnight Q—You sleep between what hours? A—Around midnight. Q—From midnight until 2? A—Something like that. Q —And that has been true for a good many years? A—Several years, yes. Q—How many years? A—l don’t say exactly how many years that particular time of sleeping has been. Q—Well, twenty years? A—-No, it hasn't been that long. Q—How rriany years has it been since you only had two hours’ sleep at night? A—Probably ten years. Q—During that time, did you take any sleeping potions? A—l did not. Q —You had capsules In your home, had you not? A—We probably have had, years ago. Q —Frequently, haven’t you? A—No, sir. Turns to Children’s Health Q —Did you have capsules containing medicine in your home at different occasions? A—We have. Q—Before or during June. 1931? A—Not to my knowledge. Q —Before this picnic. Jean and Virginia had been in good health, had they? A—They had. Q —Had they taken any poison that you know of? A r

Q—You hadn't given them any? A—No, sir. Q—Have any poison in the house? A—No, sir. Q —Do you know anything about a poison known as bichloride of ifiercury? A—l don't even know what it is. Gave No Poison Q—Had you administered any such poison to them two or three weeks before that day? A—l had not. Q —Had they taken any such poison, by mistake or accident? A—Not to my knowledge. Q —ls they had taken any such poison, you don't know how they got it? (Defense objection sustained). Q —Do you know of their taking any such poison? A—No, sir. Q —Did you have a large number of chickens on the farm? A—Probably 300, something like that. Although she denied losing any chickens from disease of vermin, Mrs. Simmons said some baby chickens had died during the spring. Q —On this day of the fatal picnic, you arrived at the Pollard home at about what time? A—Possibly a quarter to eleven. Q—Did you have a watch at that time? Just Remembers Time Q—A wrist watch? A—Yes, sir. Q—Did you consult it freqently? A—l did not. Q—How do you fix the time as a quarter of eleven? A—l don’t know, but as I remember it was about that time. Q —You have heard the time discussed considerably since that time? A—Yes, but I have not judged it by that. Q —ln fact, you are agreeing with the rest as a mere coincidence? (Defense objection sustained,) Q —Talked with your family about that, haven’t you? A—No, sir. Q —You have heard it discussed though, haven’t you? A—l have. She told of the family car being parked east of the Pollard home and of seeing Lois Jackson, Horace Jackson. Phyllis Staley and Lester Carr. She said she spoke to Miss Staley and Carr, “but ignored the rest of them.” Didn’t See Jackson Q—You were sitting on the porch of the Pollard home? A—l was. Q—With your back to the yard? A—Yes. Q —Did you see Jackson at that time? A—l did not; I never looked for him. Q —l don’t care whether you looked for him or not. Did you see him? A—l never did. Miss Joanna Simmons and Mrs. Carrie Simmons were standing in the back yard of their home by a pear tree, she said. Mrs. Cook, living next door, who prior to that time sat on the front porch of her home and watched the Simmons car at all times, has said no one went near it. Defense witness, Miss Joanna Simmons, testified Mrs. Cook was talking to a woman whom she thought w'as Mrs. Ona B. Gibson. Mrs. Simmons testified she saw no one talking to Mrs. Cook as she emptied an ice pan in the rear of her home. Turn to Sandwiches After questioning Mrs. Simmons about activities at the Pollard home and seeing Jackson, state’s attorneys launched into her packing of the sandwiches. Q —And are you sure you put one toothpick in each and every sandwich? A—Yes, sir. Q—Any particular variety of toothpick? A—Jyst the ordinary toothpicks. Mrs. Simmons testified that to her knowledge the sandwiches had not been tampered with from the time she had left her home and reached the Pollard home, or from there until they reached the park. Q—They were not disturbed at the park, were they? A—l can’t say; I don't know. She testified that Lou Jackson moved the sandwich can six feet down the table. Some One Had “Tampered” Q—Did Lora Jackson, so far as you know, tamper with the sandwiches during that time? A—Not to my knowledge. Q—Do you think that she did? A—Well, there* w'as evidence that someone had. Q—ln what way? A—Some of them had been taken out by someone and put on a paper plate. Q —You objected to them being taken out of the box, didn’t you? A—No, sir. Q—Well, when you w’ere asked if the sandwich can could be used to

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Alcoholic Duet Gets Rude Reception From Hearers and Policemen. • The song is ended but the memory lingers with Leonard M. Riley, 24, of 2320 North Alabama street, and John Dosier, alias Duffy, 22, of 622 North Bancroft street. Both are in jail charged with vagrancy and drunkenness. They were rescued from “four enemies” this morning during a brawl on Madison avenue near Southern avenue. Riley was cut and bruised and Dozier, who had come to his aid when the unidentified men blocked the taxi in which the two were riding, bore marfs of the battle over a song. Riley told police he and his com-

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get water in, you objected, didn't you? A—l said there was another empty can like it under the table. Q —And you reached unc£er the table and gave it to them, didn’t you? A—l did. Q—After the provisions were put on the table, you started to take the lid off the sandwich can? A—Yes, sir. Q—lt was a tight-fitting lid? A—Yes, sir. Q—You had to take your fingernails and ends of your fingers to get it off, didn’t you? A—Yes, sir. Lid Was Tight Fitting Q_Well, after you removed the lid, you set the can on the table at the north end? A—Yes, sir. Q —Did you observe the sandwiches at that time? A—l did. One sandwich on top didn't have any toothpick in it and the top was scooted half way off the lettuce. Q—Didn't that seem strange to ! you? A—l didn’t think anything about ! it. The attorney changed his theme of questioning. Q—And when you came to the plate of sandwiches, did you pick up the plate? A—l just lifted it up off the table. Q—And made the remark that you wanted the people to take the sandwiches, so that you could use the plate? A—Yes. Q —After you had eaten some of the fruit salad, that is when you noticed the commotion? Husband Wasn't Excited A —George came to me and said he had found something bitter in his sandwich. Q—What w'as the language George used w’hen he came to you? A—He said, “Mom, what’s the matter with these sandwiches? Mine’s so awful bitter.” Q —You hadn’t put anything bitter in these sandwiches, had you? A—l had not. (Emphatically.) Q —Was your husband excited? A—No, he w'asn’t excited. He didn't scream or anything like that* Q —Were you? A —No, I wasn't excited. I was humiliated. Q—What were you humiliated about, Mrs. Simmons? A—To think that anything like that would be found wrong with what I had prepared. Mr. Simmons 111 Later Q —Who was the first person who became ill? A—Well, the first person I heard say anything about it was Horace Jackson. Q —Your husband was sick, wasn’t he? A—Later. Q—You got sick right aw r ay, didn’t you, after you had touched this capsule to your tongue? A—No, I did not. It was probably ten or fifteen minutes after that. HOSPITAL WORKERS GET FINES, TERMS Chef and Orderly, Negroes, Convicted on Meat Theft. Charged with theft of meats from the city hospital kitchen, a chef and an orderly, both Negroes, w'ere given fines and jail terms today by Municipal Judge Clifton R. Cameron. Raymond Wright, 919 North West street, was sentenced to ninety days in jail and fined $25 and costs, and Clinton Wagoner, 1023 West Michigan street, orderly, was sentenced thirty days and fined $1 and costs. According to testimony by Wagoner, Wright sold his meats “at a cheaper price than I could buy them at a store.” Wright hid the meats under a stairway near the kitchen, and Wagoner took them from the hiding place. Wagoner testified. WOMAN TAKES POISON Sister Finds Would-Be Suicide in Vacant House. Found unconscious in a vacant house at 567 South Harris street, with a bottle of poison on the floor at her side, Mrs. Kate Anderson, 47, was taken to the city hospital where she is in a critical condition. The woman was found by Mrs. Bertha McDermott, 569 South Harris street, a sister. A bottle of chloroform was found in another room in the vacant house. Mrs. McDermott told police her sister attempted suicide several times before. City Man Dies in Cincinnati Joseph Stewart, 73, of 1028 South Churchman avenue, retired railroad man, died today at the home of a friend in Cincinnati, according to word received in Indianapolis by relatives. A son, Harry, with whom Stewart lived, left for the Ohio town to arrange for burial.

freshments throughout the early hours, when, shortly before 6 a. in., the time arrived for song. Their voices were raised in the lilting refrains of the day. Neither the proprietor of the place, which they said was near the scene of the fight, nor four other customers appreciated the tones crooned by Riley and Dozier. They were ordered out of the place and left, they told police, later to be attacked by the "customers” “We were singing just like a lark,” Riley told police. ’Give me a break, officers. I was the lamb among the wolves.” Several hours later, police arrested Donald Hunter, 1731 Ingram street, at his home on charges of vagrancy and failure to have proper license plates. Riley fcjad Dozier said he was the driver the “customers” car, but did not take part ♦. ~v

ROTARIANS AND KHANS TO HOLD SESSION State Luncheons to Precede I. U. Home-Coming Football Game Saturday. LEADERS WILL ATTEND District Governors of Both Organizations to Be Among Visitors. fit/ '1 inics Special BLOOMINGTON. Ind, Oct. 29. State Rotary and state Kiwanis clubs meetings will be held here Saturday in connection with the Indiana university home-coming and plans are being completed by the local clubs for entertaining several hundred Rotarians and Kiwanians from all parts of the state. Each year in connection with the university’s home-coming football game, these two clubs hold luncheons with informal programs. Indiana and Ohio State football teams will clash Saturday afternoon as the feature event of the home-coming program. The Rotarians will meet at the Graham hotel from noon to 1 p. m., with U. H. Smith, bursar of Indiana university, and president of the Rotary Club, as toastmaster. The program will consist of a speech of welcome by John Beeson of Crawfordsville, district Rotary governor; presentation of five or six past district governors, and of singing. George Smith is chairman of the local committee arranging for the meeting. The Kiw'anis meeting will be held at the same hour as that of the Rotarians, and will take place in the auditorium of the Student building. Short speeches will be given by Luther Feeger of Richmond, district governor-elect; Chet Fischer, Indianapolis, district governor? Austin E. Kress, Terre Haute, past district governor, and other leading Kiwanians. In addition to the talks, there will be singing. Ward G. Biddle, president of the Bloomington Kiwanis Club, will be toastmaster. Dr. B. D. Myers, dean of the United States school of medicine at Bloomington and a leader in national Kiwanis activities, is arranging for the meeting. Both luncheons are scheduled to end shortly after 1 p. m., in order that there will be ample time for the visiting Rotarians and Kiwanians and their families to reach the Indiana Memorial stadium for the opening whistle of the football game which is set for 2. The families of members of both clubs have been invited to attend the luncheon programs. ARGUES FORD SLIGHTED •MARY’S LAMB’ AUTHOR Sarah Haic, Not John Roulstone, Was Writer, Says Biographer. By United Frets PHILADELPHIA, Pa., Oct. 29. Henry Ford is unjust to the true author of “Mary Had a Little Lamb.” Mrs. Ruth E. Finley charges in her book, “The Lady of Godey’s,’* published here today by Lippincct’s. The book is a life story of Sarah Josepha Hale, editor of Godey’s Ladies’ Book for more than forty years and, according to Mrs. Finley the true author of the nursery rhyme. Mrs. Hale w'rote the poem, and John Roulstone, Massachusetts schoolboy, credited by Ford with the authorship, had nothing to do with it, Mrs. Finley asserts. John Roulstone’s name is on 3 tablet with that of Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Tyler of Sterling, Mass., on the old schoolhouse which Ford has preserved at Sudbury, Mass.

STATE SEEKS BIDS TO START 1932 ROAD WORK First Projects Will Entail Expenditure of About $2,000,000. Bids for the first of the 1932 state paving projects will be received Nov. 24, it has been announced by John J. Browm, director of the state highway department. Projects in the letting will total about $2,000,000. Roads designated were decided upon by the state highway commissioners Tuesday and are as follows: State road 49. south of the Dunes State R ar *j mtles. In Porter countv: State Road 57. Petersburg to Washington. 12.618 miles, in Pike and Daviess counties: ctato Road 18. Marion to Roll. 14.719 miles. In. Grant and Blackford counties: State Road 25. Lafavette to Delphi. 14.320 miles, in Tippecanoe and Carroll counties; State Road 16. Ade to State Road 53. 14 587 miles, in Newton and Jasper counties: State Road 43. . Cloverdale. south 7.122 miles, in Putnam and Owen counties; State Road 29. Madison to Versailles. 23.081 miles, in Jefferson and Riplev counties, and Federal Road 27. a 2.375-mile eap at Monroe. Aaams countv. MAP PARTY PLATFORM Liberty Group Voices Views on Banks and Public Utilities. Main points of a platform adopted by the Liberty party in the assembly room of the English hotel Wednesday night were aimed at public utilities, taxation and banking laws, according to Forrest L. Hackley, state chairman. A financial system that will bring prosperity to stay and one which will grow stronger was the first adopted. End to bank failures by having all deposits made in government banks was the second issue adopted. Third would abolish taxes and e&d assessors by government controlAf banks and public utilities. The nr. Clarence Sanders and the rP/. f* -m-m - V—----- -r-