Indianapolis Times, Volume 41, Number 304, Indianapolis, Marion County, 1 May 1930 — Page 3

MAY 1, 1930.

BELIEVERS AND AGNOSTIC TRADE VIEWSJN GOD Thousands Hear Darrow in Debate With Catholic, Jew and Protestant. BY DANIEL M. KIDNEY Charge that modems are not interested in religion was refuted dramatically when the Indianapolis citizenry filled every seat in the armory Wednesday night to listen to a religious symposium by three believers and one agnostic. The believers scored the most points from the standpoint of applause. But the doubter hurled the greatest mental challenge, for he was Clarence Darrow', 73-year-old pnilscpher and cynic. Bishop Edwin Holt Hughes of the Methodist church opened the meeting with a ringing presentation of the Protestant viewpoint. His appeared the majority attitude of the audience. Most Reasonable Theory “I am a Protestant,” the bishop declared, “because I believe that it offers the most reasonable theory of existence and the most satisfactory program of life. The world has not been built by doubt, but through faith.” Jesus he termed "an essential addition to fulfill the Hebrew gospel.” His Protestantism he traced to his ancestery and three centuries of devotion to the idea of “private Judgment” in the matter of religion. “Protestantism,” he continued,” offers opportunity for the free heart and is more catholic than Catholicism in action. “Protestant countries are the most prosperous and America, largely Protestant, the richest nation the world ever saw." He contended that Protestantism had been the best promoter of popular education and, in his opinion, produced the most admirable character. Quin O'Brien, Chicago attorney, opened his argument with several stories and stated that his religion was “one with a cheery face” and his race “one blessed with humor.” O’Brien is an Irish Catholic. O’Brien Goes Overtime He was to state the Catholic viewpoint, but had gone fifteen minutes overtime before he got around to it. The audience remained uninformed in regard to Catholicism. O’Brien devoted mast of his time to a statement of natural theology, applicable to all faiths with belief in God. He dealt with such concepts as God, man, soul, conscience, free-will and immortality. In dealing with revelation, as taught by Catholic theologians, he cited Christ’s admonition to Peter as the basis of infallibility: “Thou art Peter, upon this rock I build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” In refuting Bishop Hughes’ educational argument, O’Brien pointed out that the Catholic church was supporting great universities before Protestantism w r as born, and that most of the outstanding ones in Europe w*ere founded by the church. “Prosperity is not a tenet of the Catholic faith,” he declared. “Christ

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Gold-Digger Gets Votes as Wifehood Candidate

BY ARCH STEINEL FRANZ MOLNAR, Hungarian dramatist and easy lover, vouches that the gold-digger makes the best wife. Indianapolis men and women agree with him with reservations. “A little light gold-digging is good for the best of husbands,” suggests Mis. George Denny, 626 Ft. Wayne avenue, one of the city’s newlyweds.

“Molnar's right to a certain extent,” declares R. R. Dalton, attorney, for the woman who marries a man and then saves and saves his money, soon is owned by the money she saves. When you think of it, maybe the gold-digger does make a better wife for a man. She caters to his desire to be wheedled.” . . , But Judge James A. Collins of the criminal court does not back the argument premises of his brother barrister. “The pioneer women who gave us Abraham Lincoln and other noble men were not gold-diggers,” the judge remarked.

Right back comes Mrs. Gladys Craig. 808 East Forty-second street, Indianapolis advertising woman, with agreement with Mol- . nar and opposition to the judge’s statement. “It’s not right and women abhor it, but it’s true the gold-dig-ger does make a better wife for a man. She gives man what he wants and that is—to pay heavy for her love. Man normally loves that which is hard to get. As for the wife that saves her husband's money she’s either doing it for future alimony and if she isn’t, then she’s out of luck, for the gold-digger will get the money she’s saved in the end.” a a a THE man “who sees all marriages begin” and w'ho should rate as a gilt-edged critic. Horace was not prosperous. He was bom in a manger and died on a cross.” Mixing poetry and philosophy, modernism and the ancient faith of his fathers. Rabbi Morris M. Feuerlicht, Indianapolis, won his audience with “apologetics, not polemics.” “I am a Jew,” he said, “because I believe in a personal God, but not in a faith without reason. Who can help but see the hand of God in the history of my people? How else can their survival be accounted for in the face of overw-helming odds?” The Jewish faith means the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man and the Jew is “chosen” only in the sense that he has made great religious and ethical contributions to the world's civilization, Rabbi Feuerlicht declared. In beginning his address he pointed out that he, as others, was a Jew because so born and it is well to keep the faith of the fathers. “That all depends on who the fathers are,” was the answer to this argument by Darrow. ‘Progress comes by sons differing from the ways of the fathers,” the agnostic contended. He pooh-poohed the idea of “natural theology” as merely “natural nonsense” and contended that such concepts as God, the soul, free will and immortality can not be proven and should be doubted. “Believers say it’s a sin to doubt,”

Lineback, marriage license clerk at the Marion county courthouse, is dead set against jewel “gyps” in womanhood. “They don’t make good wives. They’re selfish and want to make happiness for themselves, not for their husband and family,” explains Lineback. In turn, Mrs. Elizabeth Denny, matron at police headquarters, says saving money becomes a mania with some women and harmful to them matrimonially. “They think of nothing but save and save,” she said. “They make every one around them miserable. Molnar would say that gold-diggers make better wives. He’s had enough notorious love affairs tc know, but in a way he’s right.” So there’s the polL Now what do you think? Darrow declared, “Wei!, religion is full of language. I neither believe nor disbelieve. I am modest and admit that I don’t know. Man can not understand first causes. If you have to go tc hell because you refuse to guess, I’m willing to go.” Father of Eight Dies m/ Time* Special MT. SUMMIT, Ind., May 1. Henry Shiveley, 70, following a thirteen-year illness, is dead near here. He leaves five sons, James D.., Harry C., Fred, Jesse and Hubert; three daughters, Mrs. Lena Test and Mrs. Martha West, Spiceland, and Mary Shiveley, South Bend, and three brothers, Phillip, Salem and Luther.

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scious on the ground, placed him in his car and took him to a physician's office. His right shoulder was dislocated and he was hurt on the head and face.