Indianapolis Times, Volume 41, Number 274, Indianapolis, Marion County, 27 March 1930 — Page 12

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Talking It Over BT JOE WILLIAMS

NEW YORK. March 27. A FEW weeks ago in the south, I was talking with Knute Rockne. who is at least one of the greatest football coaches in the country. It may even be that he is the greatest. itea "Talking about roarhu.” ai<t Ror.kne. "rnu haro a toqtijc follow In Now k ork who knows as murh about football a* anybody I fsor mot and on top of that hI* human enough to be a great leader of boys.” b a B Rockne referred to Cturk Meehan, who has executed a couple of first class miracles at New York uni' eralty. I happened to be in Meehan's company Wednesday. It was the first ttrae I had spent any extended time with h.m. lam not what vou would call a technician In football. I am not event a grand stand expert. Many of the thinks the bovs do on the field st.'.i puzr.e me. Almost any heh school bov could trio me on th' rules 808 Rnt I have decided that Meehan Is okay, as we say tn Dempsev'a corner. For one think he la. as Hockne says, very human, and being that be is very frank. A number of football roaches I have meet have been anythin; but that. Asa matter of faet I have encountered more evasion and subversion among rnllrirr football roaehrs than any othrr rroup of professionals. B B B (WANTED to know about spring football practice. There has been sonic question whether this procedure is advisable. A number of persons have argued against it on the ground that it over-emphasizes football in the program of college sports, and is in the nature of a ballyhoo for the fall games which attract thousands of cash customers. B B B ? pointed out that it was strange to me that the Army was not bavin* spring football praetlee and that Pennsylvania not only was having spring praetlee, but had seheduled four spring football games—somethin* that no college has ever done before. BBS "Those spring games are all right.” said Meehan Instantly. "And so Is spring practice. I am talking, of course, from the coach's viewpoint. That ts the onlv viewpoint I know, but I am willing to change if I am wrong. Football Is a grueling game One of the things that makes It so Is the making up of the varsity squad. The only wav vou can make up a varsity squad ts to take vour boys and put them through repeated sorlmmaerer. This Is hard work. I mean it ts hard on the boys. BBS "These spring prartires mold the fall teams. Vou get a real line on your prospects in the spring, and you do it at much expense to the hoys. The point in favor of spring practice is that you are able to pick your hoys months ahead, and when the fall season starts there is no need for much hard work. B b a "The bovs are thus able to start tn the games fairly fresh. If they- happened to be battered around in the spring they have had ample time to recover. It seems to met that this is a much more logical and humane wav of doing the thing than to wait until fall and scrimmage the candidates and then force the selected few to go through a touch schedule. a b a T "If this represents overemphasis on tfootball. and nobody has yet been able to Explain to me what overemphasis on football means then I say we should not have football at all.” bub SOMEHOW this sounded rather sensible to me. I think if I had a boy on a football squad and if a certain amount of physical punishment were necessary, I would just as soon that he took a part of it in the spring and the rest of it in the fall. Getting it all at once, I believe, would be too much.

Down the Alleys BY LEFTY LEE

Frank Fcx. the ci-an ot all local bowlers wf bu.sv receiving the congradulations of H bowhng friend. 1 - during Wednesday Hnts Indianapolis League series. It was H thirtieth anniversary ot the vets wedK.g. Fox holds the distinction of being He only active bowler In the city today. Ho was a member of the first ten pin Hgue organized Until thirty-two years Ako nine pins was the prevailing game, with the change to the ten pin mr me. Fox became one of the best in the *y. and has always been among the Headers throughout his career. He has two aons. Larry and Ray. who also are star bowlers, and keen rivalry exists each year, for high average honors among the trio. Leading teams found the going easy during the Indianapolis League play. Meridian Garage. Falls City League and Marotts taking three from American Central. St. Philip's A. C and RooseveltMarmon. as Coca Cola and OefteringLkzelman won two from Wagner Radio and 3 F Coffee Scoring was for below 1 the usual form shown, but eight totals of better than 600 being rolled. James led with 6-13 on count® of 108 200. and 235. Cobler had. 618: Pritchett. 607 and Stich. 611. High single game was rolled byAbbott with a 247 count in his last trv. Bob Stempfu! was surely up in the air during thfe American Business Club vs. Mutual insurance series of the Inter•club League if the following faults are on indication. Srempful made a ten pin mistake in the score, rolled on the wrong alley, fouled and missed a spare that caused his team to lose the game bv three pins. His club also lost the third game to the Mutual bovs. Mutual Insurance Association.. Universal Rats. Optimists and Lone Stars also won two from. Universal Cats. North Side Lions, Five Good Fellows and Exchange Unity, while Universal Dogs took three from Exchange Service Nitchman. Oaugherty and Vaughn roiled totals of 655; 625 and 6J3 respectively. Truelove was the ,tsr during the doubleheader series of the Intermediate League on the Uptown Alleys, his score sheet showing games of 210 tBS. 279. 227. 183. and 337 a six-game total of 1.314 an average of 219 Pins per game. Giltner also was In rare form rolling games of 171. 202. 220. 267. 216 and 188 to total 1.3(4. American Central team of the Bankers league rolled a three-game scries of 3.052 to give the other teems of this loop something to shoot at their scores being 993: 1000. and 1.059 Wiese and Sandridse were the stars of this series with totals of 649 and 641. Cunningham of Fletcher American team had high three games score with a total of 654. Three-time wins ruled the Van Camp League plav on the Fountain Square alleys. Bean Hole Beans and Prok and Beans defeating Catsup and Soup. Scott Trucking and Penn Coal won two from Mills Lysoeht and White Furniture. As Moran Trucking and Board of Trade Optical took three from Pittman-Rice and Flnneran Grocery, during the K of C. League contests on the Delaware sl.eys. J Kernel was the only member tb reach the 600 mark, his series showing a total of #O3. Indiana Ladies 1 League contests on the Indiana allevs resulted In a three-time win for Rcsners Beautv Shop and Od Gold Ctcaret over Comptometer and Central States No. 3. and a two-time win for Gray Gibbon & Crav. Central States No 1. Werbe-Meissen and Real Silk over Kroger Grocery. Coca-Cola No. 2. Kingans and Coca-Cola No. 1. Carson Brothers and Standard Grocery won three games from Madison Avenue Stale bank and Markev Drug during the South Indian* poll* , League plav Birch and Rm roUed total* of 613 And 6C2. respectively.

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INDIANAPOLIS Junior Buddies, one of the outstanding junior quintets in the city, have completed their net season with a record of twenty-one victories and

Many Problems to Face H. S. Athletic Board of Control Commissioner A. L. Trester Plans to Fight Back at Accusers; Interesting Developments Expected.

BY DICK MILLER Athletic managers, principals and coaches are giving then: high school athletic problems considerable attention. They are studying their own conditions from A to Z, for within the next few weeks, some serious problems are certain to confront the members of the Indiana

High School Athletic Association members. Probably the most discussed man in the organization is A. L. Trester, c o m m is s ioner of athletics of the I. H. S. A. Trester has been at the helm of the association for several years. He first was permanent secretary and more recently had that title changed by the

board of control to “commissioner.” Under the new title Trester was given more power than he held as a permanent secretary but the minutes of the legislative body last Oct. 16, said: The board of control of the I. H. S. A. A. shall determine and set out the powers and duties of the permanent secretary with the idea of giving the office of permanent secretary the powers and duties of a commissioner of athletics, whose opinions and actions will bo subject to review by the board of control on appeal. The words "opinions and actions shall be subject to appeal,” have stirred the enemies of Trester, who for years, to their notion, has been “czar,” "king,” "boss" and what not. Then came the recent ticket squawk. Although records of the association show that the board of

A few openings for K. of C bowlers on several of the teams going to the K of C. national tournament, over the week-end, still are available, according to Secretary M. Mathews. Sixteen teams will leave Saturday at 1:30 p. m. bv special train, over the B. & O. Local team.- are White Furniture. Scott Trucking. Moran Trucking, B. of T. Optical, Milley & Lysaght. Penn Coal, Pittsman-Rice Coal. Flnneran Grocery. Council No. 437. Indianapolis K. of C.; Centennial Press. Advance Paint. Meams Bowling Alley Five. B. & 0., B. & O. Transportation and McDaniel Talley Cards. L. S. Miller won the championship of the local Sablosky Chain Stores bv defeating Harry Bailer in a three-game series at the Fountain Square drives Wednesday night. 635 to 552.

♦ Breezy ♦ Tribe ♦ Chatter < j BY EDDIE ASH

Q ARASOTA, Fla., March 27.—Mike Cvengros and George Payne were to share the task of hurling against the Senators at Lakeland this afternoon. Crouse and Lorbeer w’ere billed to wear the <ools back of the plate. Sprinz was nursing a bruised hand, but said he would be ready if called. a a a Manager Corriden piloted his squad out of Sarasota at 9:30 this morning for the long journev bv bus and the bovs won’t be back lr camp until late tonight. They won’t have to be urged to hit the hay after this trip. ana Colnmbus will be plaved In a return contest in Sarasota Sunday and it will be the last fracas for the Tribe during their Florida stav. The Indians are scheduled to depart for Indianapolis next Wednesday night.

‘Home Boy —’ Bu United Prett Marion, ind., March 27. The sprig of evergreen, or whatever it is they give the conqi ”7 hero on his return h*roe, was stuck in the coat lapel of “Stretch” Murphy Purdue basketball star, when he came back to his native town for an exhibition basketball game. Mayor Jack Edwards represented the city of--:'!s in the welcoming which included a street parade headed by the high school band. In the throng of cheerers were many fans who, eight yean ago. booed the elongated youth in his first appearances on the hardwood as a substitute on the local reserve team. During those first few encounters, he spent most of his stay in the game sprawled on the hardwood floor.

three defeats. The speedy five, playing in the 13 to 15-year-old class, claims the city crown in that division. S. Naberstick coached the team.

control at a meeting on Jan. 13, 1930, agreed upon an apportionment plan of ticket distribution for the state finals basketball games at Butler university fieldhouse, basing allotment on enrollment. Trester seems to be getting the jolt of criticism. Trester Gets Blame Trester. who has guided the association through its years of rapid growth and who is regarded as a clever administrator, is not a quitter. He probably will fight his best with his back to the wall. School officials, on the other hand, are in arms over the way things have been going and it is very likely that the charges and counter-charges will make some interesting problems to be considered by the I. H. S. A. A. With these questions likely to come before the body for a vote, it is only natural that the principals, athletic director and coaches are .studying up on their local conditions that they may know how the legislation will affect them. When it is over, the I. H. S. A. A. probably will be stronger than ever. Commissioner Silent Trester is silent as far as a public statement is concerned. The board of control is said to be considering a statement at an early date, admitting that they made a mistake in thinking that the apportionment by enrollment plan of ticket distribution was all right, but are said to be planning an addition to that admission which will be, “We could not tell it wouid not work until we tried it.” Trester is known to be watching with interest the wild charges that some principals and athletic managers are hurling at him and the high school association through the public press. Already he has started to strike back. One principal who explained to his home fans that his order was ignored was written a letter and told that the reason his order was not filled was because no order had been received from him. Another principal who complained his order was not filled has been told that his order was not mailed until March 4, whereas orders that were filled were mailed very soon after noon, March 3. GEISEL ADDRESSES UMPIRES Harry Geisel, American League umpire, will address a meeting of the Indianapolis Umpire’s Association at the Denison Friday night at 8. All umpires of the city are invited.

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THE Indians probably will be compelled to battle hard to retain Sarasota as a training camp for there is some agitation here to award the spot to a big league club. Washington and Cincinnati are said to be flirting with Sarasota officials trying to oust the Tribesmen. On the other hand. Secretary Clauer is lining up support for Indianapolis. The famed physical condition attained by the Corridenites has caused the big leaguers to take notice. The squad has not missed a single practice despite unseasonable weather in these parts. a a a “Fish Govfy” describes the Indians and some of the pastimers haye made glowing catches In the bay and gulf. Mike Oycngros bounces out of bed at the break of day and hustles away to the water with hook and line before breakfast. Barnhart and Sicking brought in some big fellows Wednesday and strutted their pride before admiring eves. a a a Drill Wednesday was the usu*l routine, batting, fielding and with much attention given to the pitcher? covering first base. There are several hurlers weak on that play and and Corridenis not overlooking ihe fault. a a a The hospital list Is about clear with Trainer Pierce reporting only minor ailments Boone's throat was bothering him Wednesday and Gene Jones had a bad finger with a part of the nail torn. Singing in the clubhouse while getting a rub goes on as usual. a a a What was termed as a cold wave hit the Florida west coast Wednesday night and the natives answer was ’gosh, it must be terrible up north. ’■ DYNAMITE Jack Armstrong, the Tribes chief Sarasota rooter, accompanied the team to Lakeland today. He hasn't missed a game. Manager Harris of Detroit said the Tigers wouldn’t need any pitehers if they had a couple of players with his voice. Being manager at the Elks Club, Armstrong is a bureau of information for all incoming and outgoing ball clubs.

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Tribe Bosses Strive to Bolster Infield With Player of Real Ability Corriden Conducts Swift Search; Connolly in Top Condition and Hard Hustler, but Job Is Too Much for Him; Boone Disappointment of Mound Staff. BY EDDIE ASH Time* Sports Editor SARASOTA, Fla., March 27.—While the Indians were in Lakeland today to tackle the Columbus Senators of their own league, Manager Corriden continued to send out wires in a swift search for anew third baseman to bolster his infield. Answers to telegrams were discouraging in most instances and the hustling Tribe pilot was kept busy exploring his mind trying to locate a pastimer of experience and batting power to cover the hot corner. Decision to go in the open market and purchase an infielder of known skill was reached Wednesday, but to put through a deal is another thing that burdens the club bosses. Bud Connolly has done well at times and is the real article when it comes to physical condition and hustle, but as the spring training season advances it is evident the job is too much for him.

Furthermore, the infield as a whole is a light hitting outfit and it has become absolutely necessary to all some punch at one position to make up for the shortage of the same in the other posts, particularly at first base, where Pete Monahan, demon fielder, holds forth. Pete is striving mightily to improve in hitting, but in exhibition games to date his batting strength has been woefully weak. The combination of Sicking at second and Warstlcr at short is so good defensively that it would be unwise to break it up. Connolly was the team’s second baseman for nearly three years and was shifted to third this spring when Sicking returned to his old job, where he is class all over, and though Bud has given his best, it doesn’t take an expert to see he does not measure up to the pace set by the other members of the inner works. Hence, the hunt for anew man, leaving Connolly to battle it out with Paul Wolfe for the utility assignment. Another problem for Manager Corriden is the Danny Boone mystery. Sent to camp ahead of the other Indians, Boone for some rea-

Tonight’s Tomlinson Bill DOUBLE WINDUP Ten Rounds (126 pounds)—Manuel Castro, Mexico, vs. Tracy Cox, Brightwood. Ten Rounds (Heavyweights)—Tony Lungo, Rockford. 111., vs. Wtlter Pickerd, Indianapolis. PRELIMINARIES Five Rounds (Heavyweights)—Pat Irish, Indianapolis, vs. Mat Burman, Indianapolis. Five Rounds (135 pounds)—Earl Stephens, Oklahoma City, vs. Otto Atterson, Terre Haute. Four Rounds (126 pounds)—Jackie Terries, Miami, Fla., vs. Johnny Hammer, Indianapolis, Four Rounds (123 pounds)—Chick Hall, Indianapolis, vs. Tiger Thomas, Jacksonville, Fla. Four Rounds (154 pounds)— Chuck Thompson, Anderson, vs. Soldier Goolsby, Ft. Harrison. OFFICIALS Referees—Jimmy Cooley and Heze Clark. Announcer —Harry Geisel.

Kirshbaum Five Plays Y.M.H.A. for State Title The Kirshbaum Netters today began preparing for their final basketball game of the season next Tuesday night when they will clash with the Communal Y. M. H. A. for the Jewish basketball championship of the state at the Kirshbaum gym. The Netters and Y. M. H. A. have played two overtime battles this season, each team winning one game. The playoff contest next Tuesday will decide definitely the Jewish title holder. Both teams have fine season records. The Kirshbaum Netters Wednesday night downed the Kirshbaum Alumni, 31 to 20. The Old-Timers trailed at the half, 13 to 12. Gimbel Winner Is Ineligible Bv United Ptexs LA PORTE. Ind., March 27.—Indiana’s “model boy” on the hardwood courts, has lost his right to compete in spring interscholastic athletics. Two weeks ago Kenneth Young of La Porte, won the Gimbel medal for outstanding mental attitude at the Indiana high school basketball tournament. Today, Young and Clarence Hilgendorf. both seniors, were ruled ineligible because they played basketball on an Independent team which competed in Harvey, 111., last Sunday. W A BASH Nl N E ~ DRILLS CRAWFORDSVILLE. Ind.. March 27.—Although rain, snow and various other kinds of inclement weather have prevented the Wabash college baseball team from going through their spring training antics out of doors. Coach Scholler has been sending his charges through daily drills in the Wabash gym in preparation for the opening tilts of the season on April 4 and 5 against Purdue university at Lafayette.

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son has been tardy reaching form and is the biggest disappointment among the pitchers. One day splendid, the next day off color—that describes Boone. One thing after another interferes with the youth’s progress, and instead of being rated "first string” at the outset, Danny has been hurdled by Elmer Ambrose, the right-hander from Quincy. Corriden plans to carry seven pitchers after the regular season gets under way and the select list to date consists of five, namely: Jonnard, Burwell, Payne and Ambrose right-handers, and Mike Cvengros, veteran southpaw. Battling for two Jobs, therfeore, are Daney, Boone, Hildebrand and Jones, right-handers, and Hall and Walter Wolf, left-handers. The frail Jones, rookie from Nebraska, has yet to go under fire and his sharp curve and natural baseball ability may surprise camp followers. Lack or ruggedness is against him and the same goes for Lee Daney. who is a quick thinker, excellent fielder and a baffling hurler for a few innings.

National Net Champs Win Bv United Prexs JOHNSTON CITY, 111., March 27. —On its way north to defend its national high school basketball title, the Athens (Tex.) team stopped off here and defeated Johnston City, Illinois state champion in 1929, 22-11. The Athens team will play in the University of Chi cago national interscholastic tournament, which begins next week. Local Golfer Is Runner-Up ASHEVILLE, N. C., March 27. Shooting a most consistent game for both rounds, Dr. G. S. Row of Indianapolis was runner up in the annual March golf tournament for guests of The Manor over the Asheville Country Club course. Dr. Row had an 89 for the first eighteen and 91 for the second which with a handicap of fourteen gave him a net of 152. First prize went to J. L. Hukill of Pittsburgh, a ten handicap man who had a of 159. Other Indianapolis entries were Dr. W. S. Tomlin, Dr. D. O. Kcarby and C. W. Mann. SCOUT CHAMPS iCLASH Troop 69, senior Boy Scout basketball champions of Indianapolis, will play Troop 4 of Taylorville, 111., in the annual inter-state title contest here Saturday night at 8:30 at the state school for the deaf. Taylorville won in 1928 and 1929.

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MAYBE it’s just another glaring error that Bob Quinn, presidentowner of the Boston Red Sox, is pointing out, but again it may be an impressive performance by a rookie. Anyhow, the Boston owner has spent a small fortune in gathering minor league talent to bolster his lowly Red Sox. Jack McAllister, left, first assistant manager, and Heinie ’Wagner, right, new manager, will try to give Quinn something that resembles a ball team. The picture was taken at Boston training camp, Pensacola, Fla.

Eielit American Horses May er * Enter Historic British Race Grand National Steeplechase More Open Than in Years; Whitney’s Sir Lindsay Second Choice.

Bv United. Prrm> LIVERPOOL, England, March 27. —Work was forgotten today as Liverpool took on a carnival atmosphere for the week-end holiday featuring the annual running of the grand national steeplechase at Aintree. The city already was crowded with the vanguard of the 500,000 spectators expected to witness Great Britain’s oldest steeplechase, one of the world’s greatest sporting events. Aintree officials were putting the finishing touches on the course. The original field of eighty-four entrants has dwindled to forty-eight, and with additional scratches anticipated, is expected to be one of the smallest in years. Chances of an American victory were reduced by the scratching of

Wood Seeks New Record Bv United Prest MI/ MI BEACH, Fla., March 27. Gar ' ood today tuned up his newest speedboat, Miss America VIII for a record attempt on Friday’s program at the seventeenth annual Biscayne Bay regatta. Wood’s craft was slightly damaged Wednesday when a crane broke and pitched the boat into the water. Despite the accident, the international speedboat record holder made a trial spin at approximately eighty miles an hour. Marigold Club Slates Three Bouts on Card The Marigold A. C. has lined up three of the five bouts to be staged at the club, 3208 East Michigan street, next Monday night. Soldier Goolsby, Ft. Harrison, was secured to oppose Jimmy Burgess, Indianapolis, in the eight-round semi-windup. They are middleweights. Jimmy Fox and Skipper Bugsby clash in the four-round opener. Tehy are flyweights. Rosy (Kid) Baker, the hard punching Anderson middleweight, is reported in top shape for this tenround main go with Indian Roy Cocoyne, Colorado. The Indian scrapper comes here touting a good record, which includes a decision over Roy Maine and k. o. triumphs over Chuck Williams and Frankie Schumaker. A battle royal is scheduled as an added attraction on "he card.

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J. H. Whitney’s Easter Hero and Victor Emanuel’s Rhyticere, although J. H. Whitney's Sir Lindsay, Victor Smith’s K. C. B. and Stephen Sanford’s Sandy Hook were conceded to have excellent prospects. Other American entrants are J. B. Snow’s Delarue, M. D. Blair’s Ballyhanwcod, R. K. Mellon’s Glengesia, H. G. Selfridge's Rudyman and Victor Emanuel’s Royal Arch 11. Withdrawal of Easter Hero and disappointing showings by other favorites have made the race more open than in years. Grakle is the present public choice at 100 to 12, with Sir Lindsay quoted at 100 tq 11. Gregalach, last year’s lf;0-to-I winner: Shaun Golin and K C. B. are listed at 100 to 6. Prices on other entrants range upward to 200 to 1. Broad Jump Champ Returns B<> XPA Service. PHILADELPHIA, March 27.—Ed B. Hamm, Georgia Tech’s brilliant broad jumper who established a

world's record leap in the Olympic tryouts in 1928, will start h is comeback campaign at the thirty-sixth annual Penn relays in April. Hamm was forced out o f competition a year ago by an attack of appendicitis. Hi s record jump was 25 feet 11% inches.

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Camera on Way West After Win Giant Italian Stops Trafton in 54 Seconds of First Round. Rr/ T~n\ted Pre** KANSAS CITY. Mo.. March 27.Enriched by several thousand dollars. Primo Camera and his ring mates were en route to Denver today. They left here Wednesday night, thirty minutes after the man mountain had knocked out George Trafton, Chicago professional football player. The Chicago heavyweight took the count 54 seconds after he entered the ring. During that time he tumbled to the mat once for a short count, swung once at the ponderous Primo and missed, and then dived for the mat after being battered several times by Cameras rights and lefLs. Camera received 55 per cent of the $15,000 paid by 8,600 ring fans to see the exhibit. Trafton received $2,000 for his three falls to the canvas. INVADES CALIFORNIA LGS ANGELES, March 27.—Primo Camera, Italian heavyweight, will make his debut in southern California April 8, against an unannounced opponent, Promoter Jack Doyle said today. Frank Churchill, local agent for the Giant Italian, indicated that the fighter may train at Soper’s ranch, where Jack Dempsey worked out for his comeback. Sport World Notables at ‘EckieV Rites /?;/ United Prfxg CHICAGO, March 27.—Notables of‘the sport world gathered today to attend the funeral of Walter Eckersall, all-time all-American quarter back and well-known sports writer, who died Monday. Eckie’s death came after a lifetime of enviable achievements during which he played football for the University of Chicago four years, became one of the country’s best known athletic officials and assumed the position of the middle west’s outstanding sports critic. Funeral services were held this morning at Holy Cross church, HOCKEY LEADERS MEET Bit United Pres BOSTON, March 27.—Boston's Bruins and Montreal Maroons meet here tonight in the fourth game of the National Hockey League’s first place Stanley Cup playoffs. The Bruins lead, two games to one and need only one more victory to enter the championship finals. Montreal Canadiens and New York Rangers open their two-out-of-three game semi-finals competition at Montreal Friday, The winner will meet the Bruins-Maroons survivor for the championship.