Indianapolis Times, Volume 40, Number 128, Indianapolis, Marion County, 18 October 1928 — Page 3

OCT. 18, 1928.

SOUL STILL MYSTERY AFTER DARROW-FEUERLICHT TILT

FAMED LAWYER AND RABBI ARE HEARDBY 5.000 Believer in Immortality Is Crazy, Contention of Chicago Attorney. CLASH IN ALL POINTS Mechanical Man Is Moron, Declaration of City Debater. BY DAN M. KIDNEY Rabbi Morris M. Feuerlicht fought valiantly to save his own soul and that of mankind (if any) from the verbal agnosticisms of Clarence Darrow, Chicago, famed attorney for the defense in unpopular causes, before 5,000 Indianapolis citizens at Cadle tabernacle Wednesday night. “Is Man a Machine?” was the debate subject and Darrow took the affirmative. The rabbi did not attack Darrow’s mechanical man as one of straw, but termed him a “moron.” Darrow returned the compliment by' calling that man "crazy,” who believes in an immortal soul. At 11 p. m„ these conversations ended and a woman, pushing for the door, was heard to say: “I thought they were going to debate.” Slack Lauds Speakers Following an introduction by Mayor L. Ert Slack, in which high tribute was paid to each speaker, Darrow fired the opening gun, with a sort of muffled pop. He said he had lost his voice talking for A1 Smith, but soon he found it fairly well. He contended himself in the first round with outlining the elementary principles of evolution, as opposed to creation by fiat, and pointed out that in many respects all the universe, including man, is made of the same matter and functions h a machine-like manner. Rabbi Feuerlicht countered by pointing out that the so-called modern mechanistic concept is as old as Archimedes and the early Greeks. “It is merely an attempt to explain life in terms of energy,” he declared. “Because we live in a machine age, we change the terms and call it mechanistic. The underlying idea remains the same. Must Be Moron “Not everything that is logical is necessarily true and that applies to defense of the machine man. “The mechanistic man is necessarily not a free and responsible agent. Therefore, he can not be intelligent and must be a moron.” The defense speaker then cited man’s control over machines, which, he claimed, would be impossible were he not endowed with something greater. This he termed the human soul. Progress would be impossible without self-determination and selfexpression. he concluded, and cited Lindbergh’s flight as an example of the exercise of free-will and control. “Tears and laughter are pecular to mankind,” Rabbi Feuerlicht said. “They are not shared with animals and are impossible to Televox.” Pump Exercises “Will” Darrow challenged the statement that animals do not laugh or weep and cited a refractory pump as an example of free will. Sometimes it gave forth water and sometimes it didn’t, he declared. “Man calls something a soul, because he doesn’t know what it is and when he doesn’t know where it came from he says ‘from God,’ ” he continued. “Who made God? I am willing to stop where I don’t know, instead of going one step farther and then stopping. “Those who know the least are

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Bloomington Greets New Head of American Legion

Colonel Paul V. McNutt Returns Today to Home City. IW Times Special BLOOMINGTON, Ind., Oct. 18.— This city today welcomed home Colonel Paul V. McNutt, new national commander of the American Legion, elected last week at the convention held in San Antonio, Tex. From the Monon railroad station, where Colonel and Mrs. McNutt arrived. a parade moved to Indiana university, where he is dean of the law school. A program of speeches followed. The new commander is one of those unhappy Americans whose services during the World war were highly essential but not at all spectacular or exciting. Colonel McNutt knew too much about field artillery for his own good. Because of his knowledge the army authorities kept him at San Antonio. He was considered one of the foremost theoretical field artillery instructors in the country—and that was just his hard luck. Colonel McNutt, at 37, is vouththe surest about the things nobody knows. Soul, immortality, free-will, and all that are just words. They don’t mean anything. “The only reason man thinks he has a soul and not animals or plants is that man writes all the books. “All this so-called free-will means only that you can do anything you can do. On the other hand, you can’t do anything you can’t do. “The only way for man to get. what he wants is to not want what he can’t get. Thinks He’ll Live Forever “As matter, I believe I will live forever. The only thing is that I’ll never wake up to find that it’s true. “Man giving himself a soul is just proud flesh. Everything in the universe is one and operates under the same laws, including man. We cannot know all that we believe to be so, but we can say where our actual knowledge ceases.” Rabbi Feuerlicht, in rebuttal, declared that he could define the soul only negatively, and since it is spiritual and not material that never would satisfy a mechanist. He termed immortality the fulfillment of man’s universal desire. Darrow had the last chance and termed man's desire for immortality egotism and wish fulfillment contrary to nature. Then, to make confirmation of his mechanistic creed more manifest, he told his audience as a parting shot that he preferred to hear automobile motors to Beethoven symphonies.

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BOSS OF DRY LEAGUE WON’T CHANGE STAND Shumaker Assails Justices for Sentencing Him in Contempt Case. Refusing to the end to haul down his colors, the Rev. E. S. Shumaker, superintendent of the Indiana AntiSaloon League, today bitterly scored the three supreme court justices who sentenced him to sixty days on Indiana state farm. Shumaker not only refused, in a formal statement, to take back a word of what he said about the justices he branded “wet” in his annual report of Jan. 17, 1926, but also declared justice would not be done until there is a “complete overhauling” of the court’s personnel. He issued the statement “to all lovers of freedom of speech and press, as well as all law-abiding citizens throughout the state and nation.” Believes He Was Right Affirming that he honestly believed in the truthfulness of the report which three justices held contemptuous, he said: “I believed then and I believe now that I was fully within my constitutional rights as an American citizen in saying that the three judges who held me guilty well can be presumed to have been prejudiced against me, and in common decency should, on their own motion. have disqualified themselves from participating in the case, since they well knew I was powerless to prevent their sitting in judgment in this case, in which even there would have been no conviction. “That they persisted in sitting in the case does not add to the con- '

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Shumaker Calm as He Faces Term at State Farm; Hints at Possible Violence

Told Not to Bring Clothes; Jokes About Shaving Bald Head. Calmly, even with a jovial tinge to his manner, the Rev. Edward S. Shumaker, Indiana Anti-Saloon League superintendent, today prepared to spend sixty days at the Indiana State Farm beside bootleggers, rum runners, sneak thieves, and robbers. The “possibility” that he might not return from the penal institution. that some of those his zeal for liquor law enactment and enfidence and integrity that good citizens feel for certain judges of our courts. Particularly is this true of one of these judges, who. I believe, and so do the people of the state believe, we defeated in 1924 for reelection by 935 votes.” Trial Unfair, He Says Mr. Shumaker insists he has not had a fair trial, on the ground that the state constitution provides the supreme court shall not have original Jurisdiction in cases of indirect criminal contempt. He says the procedure of the court, “by stretching the doctrine of inherent powers to a point never granted before by the people themselves, in whom all power resides, is equivalent to saying that the creature itself is superior to the creator.” He declared the case was not being carried to Uni.ed States supreme court, because the league is without funds, pointing out in dignified language wherein the Indiana supreme court had “in my opinion gone afield in numerous decisions involving the enforcement of the Indiana prohibition law. particularly since every case mentioned was a

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forcement have sent there will do him violence, lurked in his mind, however. As his attorneys were before the supreme court this morning, “surrendering” Shumaker for his farm sentence, the 61-year-old dry chief straightened up his office in the Anti-Saloon League headquarters in the Roosevelt building and talked to reporters. “You know there is a possibility but not a probability, I might never come back from the state farm,” he said. “I appreciate that there are dozens of fellows down there convicted under laws I have upheld and they probably will take some degree of case which was ended, the most recent having been ended for about two years.” The superintendent said he pub r dished tl\e report with advice of attorneys it was proper. The statement declares a majority of state courts think differently from the Indiana court and have held steadily to the question “is the defendant guilty?” not quibbling over whether an officer blundered a bit in getting evidence of liquor law' violation, sometimes at risk of his life.” SCORES AL, TAMMANY “We thought John Barleycorn was dead and buried, but here comes A1 Smith and his Tammany grave robbers trying to resurrect this monster,” said Frank E. Wright, author of the Wright bone dry bill, and Republican candidate for reelection as state representative, addressing a Republican meeting at 719 East Thirteenth street, Wednesday night.

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satisfaction in my imprisonment Some of my friends have thought it might amount to violence, but I don’t fear any bodily injury at their hands.” Shumaker seemed perfectly resigned. He figured up on a calendar in his office that he will be back wuth his family about a week before Christmas. Wednesday night, he confided to reporters, he called the Marion county jail and inquired if he should take a change of clothing to the farm. Jail attaches informed him he need not bother; that he W’ould be given a complete outfit, from underwear out. at. the farm. “I worried some that they might shave my head,” Shumaker joked, as he stroked his nearly bald heal He doesn’t expect any parole or pardon, he stated. He understood he would be permitted to write only one letter each two w'eeks he said, and commented that this w'ould handicap his league w’ork. He is eager to compete for the W. C. Durant $25,000 prize for the best suggestion as to how to make prohibition effective and if possible i will devote some of his time at the farm to that, he said. Shumaker first became connected with the Anti-Saloon league in September. 1903. Since Sept. 1, 1907, he has been the head of the league. Before his connection with the league he was a Methodist minister. While he is at the farm, three of their five children will be with his wife at their home, 2352 Broadway. His newly married daughter, Mrs. James Morrison, and the sons, Albert, 24, and Arthur, 15, will be at home. The other sons, Paul, 20, and Wayne, 18, are at college.

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LEGAL BATTLE MAY HALT U. S, UTILITY PROBE Fight to Force Testimony Expected to Suspend Inquiries. BY CECIL OWEN United Pres* Staff Correspondent WASHINGTON, Oct. 18.—Ar> indefinite suspension of the Federal Trade Commission’s utilities investigation was indicated today af ter a challenge of the commission’s authority by officials of the Electric Bond and Share Company Initiation of legal proceedings to require the recalcitrant witnesses to answer questionsprobably will operate to postpone any further hearings until after election. Hearings were suspended alter refusal of E. A. Smith, controller, and Ralph B. Feagin, vice president of the Electric Bond and Share Cos., New York, to reply to questions regarding expenditures of that company. Edgar A. McCulloch, presiding commissioner, gave the two witnesses until next Tuesday at 10 a. m., to answer the questions and produce document* requested.