Indianapolis Times, Volume 39, Number 165, Indianapolis, Marion County, 18 November 1927 — Page 2

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WATSON TELLS STORY OF TALK WITHDRY BOSS Refused to Put Pressure on Court, He Asserts, in Quiz by Giliiom. BY BOSCOE FLEMING WASHINGTON, Nov. 18.—Senator James E. Watson, making his deposition here yesterday to Attorney General Arthur Giliiom, in the E. S. Shumaker case related his famous telephone conversation with Shumaker on the night of Aug. 5, 1926, from Henry Lane Wilson’s cottage at Lake Maxlnkuckee.- He 1/id been called to the phone by Senator Arthur Robinson, who had been talking with Shumaker at Robinson’s home in Indianapolis. “Shumaker said to me in substance, that there were two things he felt I ought to do—first to get the G. O. P. organization together and pass a resolution condemning Attorney General Arthur Giliiom, who brought the proceeding against him. Shumaker said: ‘The Republican organization is your organization, everyone in Indiana knows that. I want you to call them together about this unjust attack on m-i and the G. O. P. will be held responsible for what happens if I am prosecuted to extreme limits.’ Told to Consult Walb *T said the G. O. P. committee was not organized for any such purpose, but to win campaigns, and that it would not be proper for the committee to be called together to condemn a man connected with the judicial department of the Government,” Watson said. “I further told Shumaker to talk to Clyde Walb, and asked him what else he wanted. “Shumaker then said that the Supreme Court was on vacation, and that I ought to use my influence to lave it called back and render a decision in his case—and he added, ‘of course I think the decision ought to be in my favor.’ "He also added that it looked as if they weren’t going to rule until after election. I said I thought so, too, judging from reports I had heard. Then I told him that in my judgment—although I had no right to say it, because I hadn’t tallied to anyone about it—the court simply would fine and reprimand him and not send him to jail.” “Did you say you’d use your influence with the court?” asked Giliiom. Never Tried Influence "I said I never had and never would attempt to influence a judge on a pending decision,” answered Watson. “Did you say you’d already seen three judges?” This apparently referred to a statement by Shumaker that Watson had made such remark over the phone, which Shumaker since has reaffirmed. “I did not. The only statement

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I can recall that might have been construed that way was that even if I wanted to talk to the judges I know only three of them well enough to talk to them. I never saw any of the members of the court, either before or after that conversation, in regard to this matter,” Watson answered. “Shumaker told me the Anti-Sa-loon League and the Methodist Church wqpld hold me personally responsible if it weren’t done, and I told him I’d take my chance with that bunch.” Letter Introduced Giliiom then introduced Watson’s letter to Shumaker, of Aug. 8, 1926, in which Watson denied he had promised to try to influence the

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court over the telephone, but said Robinson had asked him to do what’ he could, and that in response he’d written a number of letters throughout Indiana he hoped would be helpful. This letter suggested that Watson, Shumaker and Robinson gef together and talk over the situation. Watson said this conference never was held. Attorney Bingham, for Shumaker, objected at this point to Watson’s relating his conversation with Robinson, held in Washington, as related in the letter. But Giliiom continued tjie questioning, and Watson gave the following version of his talk with Robinson. “Robinson called at my office and

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asked /me what I knew about the Shumaker case. I told hi) i I knew little about it, in fact, only what I had read in the papers. Against Imprisonment “He said he didn’t think Shumaker ought to go to jail for saying what he said, and I replied I didn’t either. Robinson then asked what we could do in a legitimate way to help, and I responded that I couldn’t talk to the court about' it, but that I was willing to do what I could to influence Arthur Giliiom and see if he wouldn’t be satisfied with a lesser punishment. "Robinson said he wished I’d do that. So I wrote two letters to

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very strong personal friends of yours, Arthur”—addressing Giliiom —“and asked them to see you. I also believe I called one of them by phone—you may remember having had a visit as the result of such a call. “I asked them to see whether you’d not be satisfied to permit as far as you controlled the decision—the Supreme Court to line and reprimand Shumaker. I said I thought the ends of justice would be served and the dignity of the court upheld if that sort of a verdict were reached. "Rc Inson and I then discussed the political phases of the situation, being candidates, and it was agreed

that if Shumaker were sent to jail there might be an unfavorable political reaction, because of the generally zealous character of those in favor of strict prohibition legislation —that they might hold us guilty.” "Did Robinson say he had heard from anyone that there was to be a jail sentence imposed?” asked Giliiom. “No,” said Watson, admitting that at the time he had read only newspaper accounts of the case and knew nothing of the facts from his own investigation. Henry Lane Wilson, at whose cot-

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tage Watson talked to Robinson and then to Shumaker over the telephone, substantiated Watson’s version of the talk. He said Watson got red in the face and apparently angry while telling Shumaker he resented the threat about the use of the Anti-Saloon League and the church, and “said either ‘darn’ or ‘damn.’ Auto Kills Aged Man WINCHESTER, Ind., Nov. 18.— Dayton Clark, 69, is dead here today, having been instantly killed Thursday when he was struck by an auto driven by Elmer Allen.

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