Indianapolis Times, Volume 35, Number 162, Indianapolis, Marion County, 20 November 1923 — Page 9

TUESDAY, NOV. 20,1923

Harvard Is Not Fully Convinced Its Team Has No Chance Against Yale

A A. U.BASKETBALL CIRCUIT IS ASSURED FOR INDIANAPOLIS Amateur Net Organization Plans Fast Loop—Final Meeting Friday, The new Indianapolis A. A. U. Basketball League is an assured fact. At a meeting at the Hoosier A. C. Monday night seven teams signified their Intention of entering and several more are being considered for the one vacancy which exists for the eight-club circuit. The seven clubs practically certain of playing are the South Side Turners. Hoosier A. C- De Malays, Communal House, Capital City Five, T. M. I. and Butler College Sophs. The final personnel of the league will be decided Friday night at a meeting at the H. A. C-, 7:30 o’clock. And good teams are welcome to put In their bid for a berth at that time. A. A. U. Members AIJ members of the various clubs Wiust be registered under the A. A. U. Biles and regulations. A forfeit wifi be required as a guarantee that the teams will play out the season. It Is a possibility that one of the original seven may withdraw. The schedule will star tthe second week in December and run through February. Games, according to present ideas, will be played at the South Side Turner Hall, Hoosier A. C., Communal Bldg, and T. M. I. Each team will play one game a week. Games probably will be scheduled two days In each week. Lipps in Charge. George Lipps, athletic director of the Hoosier A. C. and chairman of the Indiana-Kentucky A. A. U. basketball committee, is the organizer of the new league and will direct its destinies. Two members of each team, including the manager, will form the managing board of the league. The winner of the pennant in the Indianapolis loop will be sent to the National A. A. U. basketball tourna ment. CULVER AND ST. JOHN’S TO MEET THANKSGIVING Prep School Elevens Will Clash in Interseetional Fray. By Times Special CULVER, Ind., Nov. 20—Culver Military Academy and St. John's MIL tary Academy of Maidus, N. Y., will meet here Thanksgiving day to a bathe of East and West prep school Sevens It will be the first intersectional game between academies of importance in several years. TIGER ELEVEN PERKS UP Line Is Set and New Back Meld Combination Shows Promise. B > Times Special GREEXCASTLE, Ind., Nov. 20. — De Pauw is regaining its “Ipstspirit” and the Tigers will be on their toes by Saturday, when they clash with j Wabash at Crawfordsville. Coach Ashmore used Clark, Nesbitt, Adams and Crabb in the back field Monday and the combination gave promise. The line is all set. The students are going to the game and pull for the team to turn stage an upset. City Cue Tourney Charles Rouse won the opening match of the city three-cushion billiard tourney at the Board of Trade parlors Monday night from A. G. Allen. Allen, who is playing from scratch and needing 50, counted only 44. while Rouse was running b4s required 45.

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SUCCESS 0 F PASS AT NOTRE DAME

does Notre Dame have so TT I much more success with the forward pass than most elevens?” When that question was put to Coach Rockne, he merely smiled and modestly replied: "Do you think we have more success with the pass?” When assured that such was the belief, he replied:

"Whatever success Notre Dame elevens have with the forward pass is argely due to the fact I teach my players to believe In the play. "I have them work on the theory there is just as much chance for a forward pass to'succeed as any other play if every player does his proper paid In the execution of same. When a forward pass fails it is a frank admission that some player or players have slipped up in their task. “With a great tnany teams the signal for a forward pass means the ball be hurled through the air regardless of consequences. Notre Dame players are not taught to obey that theory. They are instructed to make the play when there is a reasonable chance for Its success. "If the man with the ball sees every one is covered, it is often good judgmen for him to retain possession of the ball and continue the play as a run. “It is a mistake, I think, to spend much time in perfecting the pass from various formations and then regard the use of It much as we do dynamite, & handle-with-oare method. ~4

CRIMSON HAS UPSET BLUE RIVALS MORE THAN ONCE Third Successive Season Cambridge Warriors Have Been Underdogs in Annual Struggle—Line Has Strength, By United Press CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Nov. 20.—For the third successive year the Harvard football team is making its final drive of the season before the Yale game as the underdog. The undefeated Yale team rules as favorite, and doubtless will until game time Saturday. There are a few Crimson followers, however, who, because Harvard teams have risen to dizzy heights to defeat great Bulldog

teams in the past, expect their team to do the unexpected again this year: But if the past records of the two teams mean anything, if teams can ! ever be counted on to run true to form, then the hope of a Harvard victory this year seems forlorn. All through the season Yale has been the better team. There were evidences of strength in the Harvard camp, but for some strange reason they never did develop. Each succeeding game gave the coaches heart failure, until the Princeton battle came Then Harvard’s 5 to 0 victory over the Tiger made the mentors believe the change had come, that the team was arriving. But the Brown disaster last Saturday. despite the fact that Harvard used several substitutes, changed that belief very effectively. The Crimson, grabbing a quick advantage, was absolutely lost as the Bruins cut loose, and Harvard suffered its most humiliating defeat of the season. There Is one little fact that holds up Crimson hopes. Harvard's line is stronger than the Princeton forward , wall, and the flashy Yale backs may have more trouble getting around and through the Harvard defenses than they did against Princeton. If the big Crimson line does develop into a stone wall Saturday. Harvard will fight for a scoreless tie. CHAMPION LYNCH IN MAPS Joe to Meet Murray and Moore in West, By United Xeics NEW YORK, Nov. 20.—Joe Lynch has tied up his dog and will sneaK away from New York to Peoria, 111., and St. Louis for the no-decision fights. Joe recently had to cancel a fight with Joe Burman, because, he tripped over his dog. “If it Is necessary for Joey to run otr it aei of his matches out West I think w* caa find another dog out there for him to trip over,” said his principal towel flapper. Frankie Murray of Philadelphia will be the bantamweight champion's opponent in Peoria. Thursday night. On the following Monday night he boxes Pal Moore In St. Louis. Monday Fight Results FT. WAYNE—Jimmy Dalton of Indianapolis and Tony Zill of Younyvtojrn. Ohio, went ten last rounds to a draw here Monday night. BALTTM JRE—Bobby Garcia won over Frankie Rice in the ninth round of a scheduled twelve-round go when the referee stopped the fipht after repeatedly warning Ri'-e against low blows. DETROIT—Pancho Villa, flyweight champion of the world, won over Jole Schwartz of Minneapolis in a ten-round bout here Monday night, according to newspaiiennen. PHILADELPHIA—Lew Tendler received the popular derision over Jack Palmer in an eight round bout. HARTFORD. Conn.—Pal Moore of Memphis and Kid Lewis, local bantam, went twelve rounds to a draw here Monday. PITTSBURGH —The ten-round boxing bout between Sammy Mandell and Cuddy De Marco, scheduled for Monday, was pu-t roned when ■ the promoters were notified Mandell had an injured jaw.

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elevens in the development of the pass, such is actually the case. And. as a matter of fact, this success dates right back to Rockne himself. One of the first players to develop the pass, no coach Is more familiar than Rockne with its possibilities. He is a past master still at receiving and hurling the pass, and when he wants to try something that is a bit different he can step on the gridiron and put_ his thought into execution. ‘The game of touch ball is another stunt that helps the perfection of play in the use of the forward pass,” says Rockne. Touch-ball is a Notre Dame specialty. It is played on all parts of the campus and at all hours. The game combines football with basket ball and no tackling or scrimmage is necessary. Mere touching of the ball while it is in the air or a player's hands constitutes a down. This game is the means of many students learning the first rudiments of- handling and throwing the ball. Fleetness of foot and alertness of eye is taught in this ggihe, both being along the development of Notre Dame varsity football players.

TOUCH - BALL HELPS DEVELOPMENT

“The forw-ard pass is more than a threat, merely to be used as a last resort when beaten. Every game presents innumerable spots where the forw-ard pass is a good bet and that is the spot to use it.” Regardless of Rockne's modesty ir. questioning the statement that Notre Dame had a sha<4e on most other

When the Runners Came Back on the Coast

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THEY'RE OFF! IT IS THE FIRST RUNNING RACE IN CALIFORNIA, AFTER A LONG RACELESS ERA. IT IS BEING STAGED ON THE NEW TRACK AT TANFORAN, JUST DOWN THE PENINSULA FROM SAN FRANCISCO.

LOCAL BOWLER HONORED Harshman Is Executive Member of Middle West Association. By Times Special ST. LOUIS, Mo., Nov. 20.—At a meeting of the Middle West Bowling Association here Monday Henry C. Menne of St. Louis was elected president for the seventh time. The executive members elected Include Walter Harshman of Indianapolis, W. C. Doehrmann of Ft. Wayne, and W. H. Bower of Louisville, Ky.

Fii'po Changes His Tune Back Home in South America

By ’ nitrd Xeics - UENOS AIRES, Nov. 20 —Luis Angelo Firpo, back among his admiring countrymen at last, unhurdened himself Monday' of all the complaints that he withheld before leaving the United States regarding the conduct of his fight with Jack Dempsey. Firpo completely reversed himself on some of the utterances credited to him just after the fight when h“ said he merely wanted another chance. He also indicated that the advice of American boxing experts who were almost unanimous In recommending

BUTLER RESUMES INTENSIVE DRILL Page to Rely on Passing Attack Against Indians, A battered Butler crew went through a light practice Monday on Irwin Field before entering upon intensive thrill in preparation for the game with the famous Haskell Indian team here Saturday. With the exception of Woods, the Butler regulars are fast getting back into shape after the severe workout they had against Notre Dame. Reports of the power and skill of the Haskell eleven lead by John Levi, the wonder triple threater, is raising a great deal of interest in the Butler camp. Officials are planning to make the event "Indianapolis Day” and an attempt is being made to enroll as many Butler grads in the bleachers as possible. Coach Page probably will rely upon his passing game as the main attac k against the heavy Haskell combination. Independent Football The Mapleton eleven defeated Huber’s AllStars Sunday. 13 to 6 Zip Counm. Noll, Huber. Cartough. E Hutton, Cecil end C. Courini were included in the All-Star lineup. The Mapletons would like to hear from the manager,, of th> Hrlghtwood and Brookslde Cubs. Call Randolph 0034 and ask for Herb. The Mapletons will practice Wednesday evening at the usual place. The Hercules defeated the Western Ramblers, 6 to 0. At two different times the Ramblers were held on the four-yard line. Kid Barnes and Roempke looked best in the Hercules back field, whiie Sheets was best on the line. For games in the 130-140-pou id class call Drexel 8633 and ask for George. Owing to a cancellation by the College Cabs, the Riley Tiger Juniors are without a game for Sunday, and would like to hear from Kelly A. C.s, Christamnre Juniors Belmont Tiger®, Triangle A. C.s and the Tuxedo Bulldogs. For games call Belmont 3047 and ask for Windy between 5:30 and 6:30 p. m. After a thriling came at Brookslde Park, the J. J. C.s and the South Paw A C.s found themselves playing to an over enthusiastic crowd that kept surging in until there was no playing field and the gam- could not proceed in the last quarter The score at that point was 3-0 in favor of the J. J. C.s. Shine dropkteked from the thirty-five yard line in the first half. Carroll and MeGrail played strong games for the J. J C sand hope was expressed by the management of both teams at the end that a game be scheduled for a near date In an enclosed park. The Belmont A C.s will play at Arlington Sunday. The Arlington A. C.s have a formidable squad. All Belmont players who wish to make the trip should report for practice Wednesday and Friday nights at the usual place. Sunday the Belmonts played at Plainfield and lost. 13 to 0. The Cumberland A. C. football team was dedeited Sunday by the Spades, 7 to 0. Ct|berland is without a game for Sunday A7 team desiring a game call Cumberland j Garage, or write Otto Schwier, Cumberland. Ind. The Lincoln A. C.s are without a game for Sunday. Any team playing in the 40-to-60-pound class call Stewart 1268 and ask for Leonard between 4:30 and 7 p. m. The Christamores. Fall Creek Juniors and the Delawares take notice.

THE INDIANAPOLIS TIMES

STRONG UPSTATE ELEVEN NEXT ON Y. P. C. CARD Ilen.ssefcier Eleven Held FemdaJes to Scoreless Tie Earlier in Fall. Rensselaer, fresh from a 6-0 victory over Crown Point, will re-appear in Indianapolis Sunday to meet the Y. P. C. team at Washington Park. That the up-State eleven is powerful is a known fact to local fans, who watched them battle the Femdale team to a 0-0 game here earlier in the season. The Y. P. C. team will work hard for this game, realizing the strength of the visitors and determined to keep their slate clean for the Kokomo Legion game here, Dec. 2.

Yale Line-Up By tnited Press NEW HAVEN. Conn.. Nov. 20. —With the exception of the two end positions, Yale will line up against Harvard Saturday as It did against Princeton. The varsity squad will not be allowed to scrimmage this week as'the coaches are not willing to take any more chances. ,

that he try to learn to defend himself has been wasted. Firpo asserted he would hare beaten Dempsey ii’ the referee had not favored the American. "I want a return match.” Firpo said; "hut I want equal conditions next time.” Luis Angelo will not re-engage Jimmy Deforest, the old trainer who coached him along to his first suc-

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nrrj OW THEY are going to IFORM1 FORM A BIG FOUR IN FOOTBALL AND THAT WILL DEVELOP MORE MORAL VICTORIES THAN EVER. • • e Now that the magnates have started to bounce brickbats off each other's heads, the iiielfle toast Leugue is shaping up like a real major league outfit. • • • HI If the forthcoming: Coolidge message fails to exprbss an opinion as to the year’s greatest line smasher, it will moan little or nothing in the lives of a large percentage of the nation's citizenry. • • • I I OLLYWOOD girla play football. H •* * Wouldn’t you like to see __ ’em skirt the ends?

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SWIMMING TRYOUTS FOR OLYMPICS HERE JUNE 14 Big National Events Awarded This State —Professional Golf Tourney at Frenc h Lick Next Year, Two important national sport events have been awarded to Hoosierdcm for 1924, one of which will be held in Indianapolis. This city, which steadily has Du.lt a reputation for its activities in the field of swimming, was honored by the A. A. U. in its meeting at Detroit with the Olympic swimming tryouts for men. The date set is June 14, at Broad Ripple pool.

LAYDEN TO PLAY HALF Notre Daine Full Back Shifted to Don Miller's Position. By United Press SOUTH BEND. Ind., Nov. 20. Notre Dame is priming Layden to fill the fleet shoes of Half Back Don Miller, who will be out of the line-up when the Irish take on Carnegie Tech at Pittsburgh Saturday. Layden will be shifted from full back. The Rockne team is otherwise in good condition.

cesses In the United States. DeForeet, he said, would be without value to him. whereas he believes that Horatio Lavelle and' his other South American friends who advised him in the iJempeey disaster, were the beet possible handlers. Firpo will use them again. Although they could not teach him anything about defending hlmeelf. he believes

rpri attling siki no longer q I trains on wine. •• • SIKI 18 ONE OF THOSE RARE FELLOWS WHO CAN DO WITHOUT IT, WHEN HE CAN’T GET IT. see In sending Bancroft to Boston MetJnaw explains he Is giving him a chance. ... A chance ta be forgotten. s • s SHE news that Willie Ritola won the senior cross-country run for the third straight time is Interesting • * • if you are easily interested. • • • SWKRTSKR AND JONKB WFIRK BEATEN IN A GOLF MATCH. 8 AND 0, WHICH IS ANOTHER ADDITION TO THE FALL UPSET FAMILY. • • • j-. ONTON woman says husband fi threatened to kill tier three time*. •••One of these triple-threat birds, eh?

The Indiana-Kentucky A. A. U. was represented at Detroit by Lacey Hearn, president; Tom Murray, registration chairman, and Eddie Clemmons, secretary. This committee found it easy sailing to obtain the big event for Indianapolis as all of the swimmers who have been to this city for the past two years in the meets sponsored by the Hoosier A. C., Indianapolis Athletic Club and Chamber of Commerce have not been backward in praising their treatment while in the Hoosier capitol. Local Pool One of Best The Broad Ripple pool, one of the largest and best suited for the purpose, was another reason for the choice. The tryouts will be directly in charge of the National A. A. U. Naturally all the best aquatic performers in the country will be here and trying their best for a place on the American team. It will be one of the biggest features of the swim world outside of the Olympic competition itself. At the annual meeting 6f the Professional Golfers’ Association next year’s tourney was awarded to French Lick Springs Country Club from Sept. 14 to Sept. 20 inclusive. 36 Holm Each Day The professional championship play will open with 36 holes of medal play by which the 64 qualifiers will be reduced to 32. Following will be 36 holes of match play each day until the championship is decided The United States Golf Association put the handling of the open tourney in the hands of the pro organization and in 1924 there will be sectional qualifying rounds, one in the East and one in the West. Forty will qualify in each section at medal play.

his natural right-hand swinging style is best, anyway. “Dempsey struck me several times on the head after the bell rang ending the first round,” Firpo complained. "I had turned to go to my corner when he attacked me. These blows really defeated me, as I could not recover before the bell rang for the next round.” Firpo reiterated that he Intended to get up after the final knockdown, but that the referee called him out at the eight-count.

WARNING SOUNDED IN lUJNI CHIP Zuppke Taking No Chances Against Slippery Buckeyes. Bv United /'r,ss URBAN A, 111., Nov. 20.—Warning his squad "that Ohio is a slippery team” and dangerous at all times. Coach Zuppke is driving his men hard for the season’s wind-up at Columbus Saturday. Now Flays Outlined Bv United Prrt COLUMBUS, Ohio. Nov. 20.—Coaoh Wilce is improving new plays to use against the Illini Saturday. Forced to show practically everything he had in the Chicago game, Wilce is. planning “something new" for tills week. For ganwe with the Brlghtwood Girls' basketball team write Madge Gray, 3733 Sherman Dr.

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Jack Norton, Indian name “Lost Hare.” wil! be with the Haskell Indians Saturday w-hen the redskins tackle Butler on the Irwin field grid. He Is guard-one of* the allarounfi type. Norton can play a back field position ajso and can handle the ball in fancy fashion. NEW SPIRIT SEEN ~ IN PURDUE SQUAD Confidence Spreads as Annual Indiana Struggle Nears, By United Press LAFAYETTE, Ind., Nov. 20.—New spirit has cropped out in the Purdue team this week following its victory over Northwestern. The Boiler Makers hope to crush their next chief State rival—lndiana—on Saturday. Hard Drills at I. U. By United Press BLOOMINGTON, Ind., Nov. 20. Stunned by the defeat at the hands of Wabash Saturday, Indiana started intensive drill Monday in the hope of evening things by winning from Purdue, this weekend. Independent Basketball Tho Hoosier Celts will play the Hennies at tho Sivorni Baptist gym tonight. For rames with the Celts call Webeter 1580. or '*Wress Horace X. Jor.es. 2531 E. Tenth St. Moorseville, Martinsville. Rushville. New Palestine. Bright wood Independents. Washington A. C.. Chrlstamorea. Meteors. Westfiedl Independents. R. A. C.s aud Indianapolis Ramblers take notice. The St. Anthony's T P. C. basketball team will meet tbe Olive Branch Christians. Thursday night at St. Anthony's Hail. On Thanksgiving evening the V. P C.s will meet the Hubs, and on Dec. 0. the Artesian Stars oi Martinsville. Those desiring games should get in- touch with Frank A. Hanley, at Belmont 2823. or address St. Anthony s Young Peoples Club. 379 N. Warrnan Ave., Indianapolis. The O-hara Sans desire games with fast city and State teams in the 16-year-old class First Friend*,. Southport Juniors, Clermont Juniors and Oaklandon Midgets take notice. Write Harold Ransorher, 1207 N. Olney St., or call Webster 4778 and ask for Harry.

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CITY FANS GIVEN PLENTY OF ACTION AT RINGCARNIVAL Gloves Fly During Big Monday Show Lavell and Cooper Even in Wind-up, Fistic fans spent a few hours at Tomlinson Hall Monday night wit* nessing the big show staged by Steve j Harter’s Washington A. C. Five box*- ; ing bouts and a battle royal were held | and there was excitement in bunches. | In the main go Louie Lavell of Anders on and Joe Cooper of West York, 111., battled to a. draw in ten rounds, j Both boys landed numerous stinging blows and displayed good boxing skill. Neither gained sufficient advantage to be entitled to a decision. The ‘‘spider’* fighter from Illinois's no easy man to knock off. Alte Lands Sleeper Merle Alte of Indianapolis sent Kid Mack of Cincinnati down in the second round, of their fight but the beli saved the Ohio lad and he held Alte even thereafter. It waa for eight rounds. Mack was knocked cold, but his seconds worked fast and brought him around during the min* ute rest. Happy Atherton of Indianapolis out* pointed Jimmy Sayers of Lafayette in eight rounds. Atherton proved the better boxer, though Sayers waa stronger at infighting. Shuck Has Punch Kenneth Shuck of Louisville made a solid hit with the fans in his six* round scrap with Reamer Roberts of Indianapolis. Shuck dropped Roberta for the count of two in the first session and outboxed his opponent throughout. Roberts didn’t try enough swings. Johnny Sawyers of Indianapolis and Dick Osborne of ShelbyviUe exchanged wallops for six rounds and finished even. Lawrence Davis won the battle royal. The next big ring card will feature Roy Wallace of Indianapolis and An* thonv Downey of Columbus and Cincinnati. It will he held Thanksgiving night and will be promoted by the American A. C. Matchmaker Farb is arranging a strong prelim card. PADDOCK’S MARKS ARE REJECTED AGAIN BY A. A. U. Controversy Over Sprinter's Time Settied Once and for All. By United Xeics DETROIT, Nov. 20.— Charlie Pat*, dock s famous record of five yards In nothing flat has been rejected again, this time with convincing finality by the National Amateur Athletic Union, More than a year ago Paddock clipped some fractions of seconds off the old records at intermediate distances. When the marks came up for approval before the 1922 meeting In New York, Paddock was turned down. One reason for rejection was that for one stretch of five yards some of the dockers made It appear that Paddock was faster than time itself. There was no difference between his time at the first mark as recorded by some watches and the time five yards far* ther on as recorded by others. Martin in Two Cue Matches In the State three-cushion billiard meet Ramsey defeated Kepner Monday night at Cooler’s, 50 to 29. Thi afternoon Martin was to play Merrl* ken and tonight Martin will play Rockhill.

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