Indiana Palladium, Volume 6, Number 8, Lawrenceburg, Dearborn County, 27 February 1830 — Page 2

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Mr. Frelinghuysen said ho wa9 not opposed to the bill, as the Senator from Indiana (Mr. Noble) seemed to apprehend, bat he wished that the influence of pres

ents to the Indians would be kept out of

operation while the treaty was in progress. He repeated, he desired to throw no obstruction in the way of the negotiation. The question on the amendment pro posed by Mr. King was then put and carried in the affirmative: Mr. McKinley then moved to amend

loe bill by adding the following section:

"And be it further enacted, That no se

cret present or consideration, shall be

offered or given to the Chief or Chiefs o

the Tribe or Tribes of Indians with

Which said treaty may be holderi."

The amendment was agreed to

Ayes, 34.

The bill being then reported to the

benate as amended,

Mr. Hendricks rose and said that he

could not be silent when the question

was about to be taken in the Senate, on

the amendment which had iust been ad

opted in Committee of the Whole. He

thought itsadoptioo would bea reflection

upon the integrity of the Executive, and

upon the Commissioners appointed to

make the treaty. . It would also be a re flection upon the integrity of all hereto

fore concerned in negotiating Indian treaties. The section offered for the

adoption of the Senate, pre-supposed

abuses which he believed bad no exisi

ence. He did not know of any undue

influence heretofore exercised in making Indian treaties. That which this section would remedy, was found in almost eve

ry treaty ever made with the Indians;

but it was produced, not by the commis

sioners, but stipulated for by the Indians

themselves. Mr. Hendricks quoted the

provisions of several Indian treaties.

Here, said Mr. H. are brick houses pro

vided for, reservations of land for certain

individuals and families; and donations in money. These were made in confor

mity with the wishes of the individuals

composing the tribe, who certainly have it in their power to say, that A shall receive more than B; but these arrangements never before were called bribes, nor can the officers of government fairly be charged with impropriety in such stipulations. Mr. H. repeated, that, as the adoption of the amendment could be considered in no other light, than as a reflection on those who are constitutionally charged with the negotiation of the treaty,he hoped it would be rejected. Mr. McKinley replied, that the practice of giving secret presents to the head men of the Indian tribes with whom we treat, is of recent date, and it ought to be discouraged as soon as possible. He believed the most effectual method of

putting an end to the practice was, by inserting such a provision as he had pro

posed in the law making appropriation. By persevering in the practice,the senate will be, as it often has been placed in the dilemma of either losing the money which has been expended, or of ratifying the treaty, whether satisfactory or not. Mr. MrK. did not object to a necessary donation being made to the chiefs,, if it were made public. Is it proper, he asked, to make presents; to the bead-man, which the nation does not know? The less, he thought, which was given, the better ; for the great amounts thus expended, often rendered it imperatively necessary for the senate to ratify bad treaties. The effect of this

would be, to prevent the insertion of se

presented, have been the worst for their

people. These are the treaties in which special benefits have been most liberally provided for the chiefs. When the warriors were present, with the women and children, at the treaty ground every thing was known, and it waa almost impossible for any thing unfair to be done by either partv.

Mr. Benton asked that the queston be

taken by yeas and nays, if they were not already ordered. He expressed hi obli

gation to tbe Senator from South Caroli

na who bad called the attention of the

House to the constitutional nature of the

amendment xms was tne nrst year, aid Mr. B. of the new Administration,

and here was a proposition implying a

direct censure of it, as the object of H

was to place us on our guard, against

which gentlemen anticipated corrup

tion. There was no necessity for the

restraint on the present administration

more than on any preceding one. Mr.

13. repeated his desire to have the ques

tion taken by yeas and nays. The yeas

and nays were, ordered.

Mr. Barton said he had voted for thu

amendment in Committee of the whole;

but certainly not for the purpose of re

flecting on those who had preceded us, or of the present Administration. He was not aware now that it amounted to any

undue reflection on any branch of the

government, legislative or executive; for he knew of no instance of treaties pro

cured by means of secret bribes, and

known to this government, having been ratified. The parallel drawn, orat-

tempted between our negotiation with

the European nations and with tbe aooriginal tribes of America, did not hold.

Europe does not acknowledge us as her

Great Father, nor our protection or su

premacy over her, bat as an equal 'and

lence the evident impropriety of such a

provision to guard those civilised nations

rom such influences. Dot the Indian ribes are a conquered, broken down

people, who acknowledge our protection

and supremacy, and call us their Great

bather looking to us lor justice and

profection, as the ward looks to the guar

dian.

Where then is the impropriety of the

egislative taking the lead of the Execu-

ive, in announcing to the world, that in

our negotiations with these subjected wards and broken tribes, such means should not be lawful? Congress are the guardians of these people. He voted for the amendment in committee of the whole; and must repeat that vote on the ayes and noes. ! Mr. McKinley said he had no design to question the virtue or integrity of the ! present Administration: he had as much confidence in it as those who made great-!

er professions, it is strange, said Mr.

McK. that a proposition cannot be made to appropriate money for public purposes, under certain restrictions, without having the charge imputed to us of entertaining unfriendly feelings to the present Administration. As this was a new subject, and as there was no immediate necessity to have it settled, he moved that the bill, as- amended, be laid on the table, that gentleman may have an opportunity of giving it a sufficient examination. The motion was agreed to.

motion for on indefinite poslpcnment ofibill was introduced by , Mr, Drayton,

From the U. S. Telegraph. Feb. 2. In the Senate, on Monday, various petitions and memorials for and against Sunday mails were presented. The resolution submitted by Mr. Webster, in

relation to the public printer, was deci

cret articles in our treaties: for he was of'ded by the Chair to be out of order; and

opinion, that in private, as well as pub

lie transactions, honesty was always the best policy. Mr. Hendricks remarked, that the Teasons giwn by the senator from Alabama, Mr. MKinley m support of the amendment,, had suggested to his mind additional arguments against its adoption. It was not competent for the senate to legislate into existence, instruc

tions, to be given to the commissioner?,

who negotiate Indian treaties. This had uniformly been considered tjie constitutional prerogative of the president. The senate,, said Mr. H'., in its legislative Capacity, is no part of the treaty-maki ig jjowerj and legislation prescribing ihe duties which the constitution has plainly devolved on the executive, is not only

unconstitutional, but impeaches the in

tegrity of the president, in pre-supposing

that he would not perform his constitutional duties. While he was up, he would reply to the senator from New Jersay (Mr.Frelinghuysen.) He deprecates the practice and the unnecessary expense of collecting, on such occasions, the young men, the woman and children; says that their influence on their chiefs, who are competent to make treaties without them, is prejudiciallothelndians and unworthy of the government. To this class of observations, it may be replied, that the chiefs never without the consent of the tribes make treaties at all. This consent is never given in advance, when they can be present. Their presence is necessary to prevent the chiefs consulting in a signal manner their own interests, instead of the inter- . ests of the tribe generally: and of all the

Treaties ever made witn ttie maianfr.

those which have been made by the chiefs, remote from the tribes they re-

the resolution of Miv Grundy directing

the Secretary to postpone the subscription to Gales and Seaton's Compilation of the Public Documents, was debated by Messrs. Grundy and Chambers; and on motion of Mr. McLean, was laid on the table. Mr. Benton resumed his argument on Mr. Foot's resolution on the Public Luids, and continued to a late hour, when the Senate adjourned. In the House of Representatives, on Monday, the greater part of the day was occupied in the presentation of petitions and resolutions; and among the latter of which, were some submitted by Mr. Wickliffe, requiring information respecting the allowances to public officers in the years 1823 and 1829. Mr. MfDuflie, from the Select Committee, reported, in

part, a joint resolution for an amendment Sterigere, Johns, Johnson of Tennessee,

of the Constitution of the United States,

in relation to the election of President and Vice President; which with an amendment proposed by Mr. Hayne, was read a first and second tirae,referred to a Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union and ordered to bo printed. After the transaction of further business, according to the usual routine, the House, in Committee of the Whole, resumed the consideration of the Maine election question. Mr. Southerland

concluded his observations, and was followed by Mr. Coke, until, on motion of Mr. Mercer, the House ad

journed.

The Senate was again occupied on Tuesday with Mr. Foot's resolution in relation to the public lands. Mr. Benton havingconcluded his able and power ful argument, Mr. Sprague followed in reply, but the Senate adjourned before Mr. Sprague had finished, and without taking the question on Mr. Webater'd

the resolution, which has been for so

many days pending. Mr. Taylor, of Virginia, on Tuesday resumed his seat. The subject which first rame under discussion in the House of Representa

tives, subsequent to the transaction of

the usual business of the day, was the resolution, previously submitted by Mr. Conner, of the general Assembly of the State of N. C, passed on the 4 th of Jan., 1830 for the purpose of procuring the repeal of the Salt Tax, Upon the question of its reference to a Committee, whether to the Committee of Ways and Means, or to the Committee on Manufactures, aii interesting and auimated debate took place; in the course of which Mr. Hoffman, Mr. P. P. Barbour, Mr. Wilde, Mr. Taylor, Mr. Bates, Mr. Duvis,of M assachusetts, and Mr. Cambi leng,severally addressed the House until the termination of the allotted hour. Mr. Strong has the floor for next day upon this question. The Maine election case was then taken up, and argued by Mr. C ke, in conclusion of hia observations of the preceding day, and by Mr.

Goodenow, Mr. Spencer, of New York, and Mr. P. P. Barbour. It was ultim

ately decided by a maj uily , taken by-

yeas and nays, of 111 ta 70, that the sit

ting member, the Hon. James Kip-

ley, was duly elected.

In the Senate on Wednesday, Mr.

Hendric ks reported a bill to authorize a subscription tothestock of the Louisville

and Portland Canal Company. After I . -1. M'

an nour spent in me couHOrauon ot

Executive business, Mr. Foot's rtro'ulion was taken up, and Mr. Sprague

concluded his remarks in reply to M -ssrs

Benton and Hayne, and in dekuie of

New England men, measures and character.

In the House of Representatives the resolutions of the Legislature of North Carolina, on the subject of the reduc tion of the duty on Salt, were, after a brief discussion laid on the table, Mr. MeDuffie having stated that the Commit

tee, ot Ways and Means would to-dav L Ml . L .1' a im -

report a dim on me sumeci. me

House then took up the bill to protide for taking the Fifth Census, being a spe

cial order of the day. In Committee of

the whole on the state of the Union, sun

dry amendments were made, after which the Committee rose and reported pro

gress, and the House then adjourned.

The resolution which has been so long pending in the Senate, contemplating the supervision of the surveys of the publie lands, was on Thursday again taken up as the unfinished buncss; and Mi. Row. an, who was entitled to the floor, addressed the Seuate at length, principally in reply to Messrs. Webster and Sprague. The Senate previously acted on several bills from the House of Representatives,

and several Senate bills some of which were referred to the appropriate Committee and some were ordered to a 3d reading. Miv Tazwell, of Virginia, ap peared and took his seat. In the H-use of R -preseJatives a number ol Bills was reported and pi sseu through the usual stages. Among u. m was one from the Committer on Miliary Affairs, iutrodueed hy M. Drayton, authorizing the Seeretary ol War to pur chase additional land for the fortifications at Fort Washington, m. the Palomic River; another by Mr. Buchanan, from the Committee on the Judieiary, in reference to certain frauds upon the United States, Bank; and a third by Mi. i I r ft mf . -

amoreieng ir m me Lommitiee on Commerce, making an appropriation for building a Marine Hospital, at Charleston, South Carolina. The resolutions submitted by Mr. Wrickliffe, on Monday , in relation to the allowances made to public effieers in the years 1828 and 1829, weie after some debate, agreed to by the House, with a slight modification. After numerous resolutions had been proposed and offered, the census Bill was taken up by the House on the state

of the Union, Mr Buchanan in the chair,

and occup'red the remainder of the day. A variety of amendments were submitted, and the Committee was addressed upon the subject of them by Messrs. Speight, Storrs, Goodenow, Wickliffe,

Coulter, Richardson, Clay, Lamar,

Wilde, Johnson, of Kentucky, Jennings,

from the Committee on Military Allaire, to whom was referred that part of the President's Message relating to the merging of the Marine Corps in the Artillery or Infantry of the United States, to niter and amend the organization of that body. Mr. McDufiie, from the Committee of

Ways and Means, reported a bill for the

with alarm, and a great cftoi ! w in stantly made hy Mr. W et st r ta dcstior its effect; to defeat thu alliai.ee between the South and the West, by creatine: dissentions between them, and to invite the West to ally rather with the opposition which is principally confined to the. East. Then cme Mr". Benton's open

rejection of the invitation, Mr. Hayne s

leduction of the duties on tea and coffee:, splendid defence of the South, and tlu

which was read a first and second time, 'vehement argument between these three and referred to a Committee of the .great portions of the Union hy their rep Whole on the state of the Union; and,resentatives, upon the character, claims, alse, a bill to reduce and modify thedu-jand merits of each or more properly ties upon certain imported articles, and jupon the claims which the Vvo Atlantic for other purposes. Embodied in tie, sections severally have upon the confilatter, was, among various provisionsjdence of the West. It was truly a strife enumerated in it, one for equalizing thejof mighty minds and each champion bora duty on bar and rolled iron; and fixing himself greatly in the contlict. It is in it at ninety cents per hundred weight, contemplation, as 1 learn, to publish the the effect of which, should it be adopted, whole debate in a pamphlet form, which will be to place foreign hammered ironjwill, I doubt not, be most extensively cir upon an equal footing in the Ameiit an ciliated, read and admired, market with British rolled iron, the duty I Nothing can more clearly demonupon which amounts, at presant, almost sstrate the general consciousness of the to a prohibition. It contained alsoJrisint? power and approaching ascen-

other clauses, providing that the imposts jdeney of the Western portion of this on Hemp and Fiax, and on Cotton and i Union than such an argument. It seems . ...... m

W oollen mauutai lured, should be the com cded that the sceptre ot dominion is . i . .i ! a mi i ii...t

same as ttiose levied previous u rne-passing wesiwaru rapiuiy, anu tinu mo:

passage of the late tariff bill. It provi-lAtlantic States are contending already, ded, also, for a reduction of the duty on 'which shall stand fust in the effection

molasses to five cents per gallon; and for of their future rulers, a drawback upon Rum distilled from In listening to these discussions, it is foreign Molasses; for a diminution of the a subject for grave reflection and regret, impost upon salt, from twenty to ten that such controversy should ever in cents, per fifty-six pounds, of that upon jadmission into the halls of cos gress,rHwJ Wool, a gradual reduction until it was j that there should exist subjects for Undiminished to fifteen per cent, ad valo -lation, whch give rise naturally and un i a -i t ? 11 1 i 1. 1 1 ...Ul..

rem: ana to nx a similar per ceniage avouiaoiv io sutu uepirauie iuu,

up n indigo, and hemp, rape and lit seed oil. The bill was read a first time; and, after some discussion, the second read ing was postponed until a future day.

, .. 4. . of mutual concession and conn s resolution continues with una- t. . . i , , ... . r i. i i i , 1 here aie notoriously doctrines I spirit. A fortnight has already hj b d . ,J Wetern consumed in the di-cus-n n, and it .J.. ' entjre .... of

Lea, Crockett, Polk, Blair, of Tennessee,

Ramsey, Davis, of South Carolina, and Haynes. The Dill was reported to the House on the rising of the Committee, and the further consideration of it postponed until Monday. After which, on motion of Mr. Warren R. Davis, the House adjourned. The Senate on Friday, passed the bills for the relief of Jonathan Chapman; and tbe bill for the relief ol Paysen PerA I r i mi r . t va

nn. a numoer oi Dills from tne House of Representatives were ordered to a third reading, and several Senate bills were ordered to be engrossed. The resolution in relation to the public lands which has occupied so much of the attention of the Senate, was not considered; Mr. Hayne having moved its postponement until Monday on account of the lateness of the hour at which it tame up in order. The Senate adjourned over to Monday.

In the House of Representatives, a!

From the Philadelphia iiztte. The following tetter from a correspondent at Washington zvilt be read with great interest, Washington City, Feb. b 1830.

"The debate in the Senate upon Mr.

boots resolution continues witl

bated

been

is now, to all appearance, no nearer ter

mination than it was a week ago on the contrary, every new speaker seems to add some new element of excitement of his own, or revives the agitations of former conflicis, and thus, iustead ot

narrowing, the field of controversy becomes dily wider and more discursive. The original points in dispute appear to have been wholly lost sight ot in the conflicts and collisions which have arisen upon other collateral issues. These have multiplied in number and increased in interest until the Senate themselves,

and their numerous auditors appear to have actually forgotten the precise question to which these speeches are, by parliamentary courtesv supposed to apply.

No man ignorant of the nature of that

question, on entering the Senate chamber, and hearing such frequent and vehement appeals to some of the sti digest feelings of public men sta'e pride, party fidelity, and patriotic resentment, charges and recrimination, assault and

defence, accusation and eulogy, listening to profound discus;ions from the most distinguisisecf men of the country upon the most abstruse and complicated ques tions of state policy and constitutional law, in which our whole politiial and diplomatic his ory and the history of all parties an. i party conflicts, from the days of t!;e confederation down to the present hour, eould possibly have supposed that

o many momentous and excifing subjects could have arisen upon so sim, le a proposition. The powers of the govern

ment; the origin and history of tlu Constitution, the rights of the states, the purchase of Louisiana, the free navigation of the Mississippi, slavery and colonization, the tarifl", Federalism, the war and Hartford Convention, subjects with the very names of which the idea of intense excitement is always connected, were severally brought up and discussed under the forms of a motion to postpone

a resolution of inquiry into the survey of

puoiic tanas. You will of course understand that the adoption or rejection of that resolution is the least important object of the debate. It is the indication of the future policy of the government on the engrossing subject of the public lands, and the movements and views of parties in relation to that subject, connected with ulterior views of partisans whit h makes the discussion so interesting and important. The party in opposition to the administration rest all their hopes upon a division among its friends. To effect this object no arts have been wanting, first to create jealousies among the prominent members of the part), and secondly to create an actual diversity of interest among them. A union of feeling and action between the South and West, is destruction to this plan, and the fears of the opposition lest it should take place, have been among tiie principal causes of bringing on the present conflict, and to all appearance of accelerating the union. An avowal by Mr. Hayne of those liberal principles in

relation to the public lands contained in his firt ?po-ch, was accordingly heard

anev oi ine iUissi-sinnu

power of resistance re

array ing one portion of the union against another, re-kindling party animosities and creating discordant interests and weakening the bonds of mutual atVection which it was the object of the Union to tighten and preserve. The disposition of the public lands is one of the most perplexing and difficult to adjust of any of these questions, and perhaps the most dangerous, unless approached in a spirit of mutual concession and compromise.

on this StaTer,

hostile to the entire title of the General

Government to hold land within thn limits of any State. The Governor of one of those States, in an official communication to the Legislature, has broadly asserted this chiim, a d there is little doubt but that the opinion is tfainiinr

ground. Thre is yet no strong party formed maintaining this doctrine, aid the leading citiz ns who represent the West, disavow it to that extent. The political ascendency has not yet passed

U l in int. 1

and while the

mains with the Atlantic State?, such

claim would be unanimousljT resisted Dut her great increase of representation which the next census will give to the Western States, renders the po?sibiliiy of such a Conflict as must inevitably ensue, were such a claim formally advanced, fearful to contemplate, and earnestly to be avoided. Now then while the power is in our hands, it seems to be true magnanimity and sound' policy to settle the question on amicable, conciliating.

- - - i O ' & liberal terms; to grant these lands to those State, w ithin whose limits they liefc in such a spirit of indulgence and "compromise, and for such reasonable consideration, that the payment may not be onerous to them, and that the w hole fund may be thus finally and harmoniously disposed of for the common bene fit of the union, increasing its strength by building up flourishing Communitiea in the west, and perpetuating ihe hle?a ings of the Union of the States, by multiply ing their mutual dependencies, for mutual benefits. To produce this desi-

rable object appears to be the poiicj advocated by Mr. Hayne as the moat conciliating to the west, as it certainly receives the greatest benefit of all. is understood to accord viih the views of the Administration, and hence thf hostility of Mr. Webster and the minority in the Senate under his controls Such harmony among the different portions of the friends ot the administration in the South and West, is ruin to the political views which the opposilion aro

known to entertain, and therefore the violence of 3!r. Webster's assauit upon Gen. Ha yne, therefore the fierceness with which he denounced the South, while he courted the West. Upon the conclusion of Mr. Webster's speech on Wednesday of last week, tho floor was occupied by Mr. Benton, who did not conclude until Tuesday last, He was followed by Mr. Sprague, of Maine, who spoke all day and next. Mr. Rowan, of Kentucky, succeeded, and had not finished when the Senate, adjourned. He is to continue on Monday. 1 observed Mr. Smiih of S. C. M r. Bell of N. H. and Mr. Holmes of Mainland Mj. Hayne, taking notes, and expect Ihem severally, to take part in tins Debate. The Senate is now full except Mr. Troup, w ho was t ailed home by a domestic affliction, ard Mr. Adams the new Senator from- Mississippi, who luu not yet taken hi seat. The nominaiions are before the Sf nate, and ol course are discussed with closed doors. Enough, i, ... . i

miwever, transpires, io make u gener

ally underwood that lh oppoiitioi', 21