Indianapolis Journal, Volume 51, Number 48, Indianapolis, Marion County, 17 February 1901 — Page 4

THE INDIANAPOLIS JOURNAL, SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 1901.

HEARING IS RESUMED

WITNESSES EXAMINED I THE HEF O H 3 1 ATO R V I X V G S T I G A T I O X . Nothing of a Very Sensational Character Contained tti tlic Testimony of Wltnesnes. IIS. HERT IIIES AN ANSWER IXC ItEPLIES TO ALL THE IMCRItOG ATOllILS DIRECTED AT III. Employes and Former Lmployen of the Inatitntlon llefore the Joint Committee. The Joint committee from both branches cf tho Legislature appointed to investigate charges against Superintendent Hert and his management of the Indiana Reformatory at Jeffersonville, met yesterday in the speaker's room at the Statehouse and examined a number of witnesses. Superintendent Ilert was present and was represented by William A. Ketcham, former attorney general of the State. Members of the Board of State Charities and of the board of managers of the institution were present. Attorney General Taylor represented the Joint committee. Near him sat Representative Davis, who some time ago filed "specifications" which contained a number of suggestions as to the line of investlgation that should be pursued. Among the witnesses examined In th? morning was Albert Anderson, who, in September and October, IDOO, did some work lor Mr. Ilert In a foundry at Jeffersonville, and sent a bill to the superintendent for 5209.23. Witness said that although he had several conversations with Mr. Hert concerning the bills, they are yet unpaid. M&rtm Qoss, a Jeffersonville meat dealer, Eaid that In 15i and 1835 he was In the retail grocery business and sold goods to tho State Prison South. Mr. Hert was warden at that time and J. II. Jenner, who afterward became purchasing agent of the lr;r titutlon, was steward. Witness said that for about thirteen month3 he paid Jenner a rebate of 6 per cent, on the goods purChased for the prison. James Bain, of Brazil, said he became a guard at the prison on Oct. 0, 1805, and left there Aug. 21, lS3i. lie said he knew of State prisoners being sent to work for the Indiana Manufacturing.Company, who were not on contracts, and the State received pay for the work. He said the Indiana Manufacturing Company gave him and the prison physician. Dr. Sharpe, presents. Some time was consumed in the afternoon session in settling a point raised by Representative Davis. He said If the committee was not going to give him the right to put questions to witnesses he wanted to know it at once. He intimated that exAttorney General Ketcham was carrying on a sort of "bullyragging" cross-examina-tfon, and that Attorney General Taylor was rot making the prosecution quite as strong as he would like. He said If he were not to be allowed to ask the witnesses questions he wanted to be relieved of all further responsibility in the matter. Chairman Ball ruled that Mr. Daris might put questions to the witnesses. William S. Dillinger, a farmer, who was formerly superintendent of the Reformatory farm, was called. Attorney General Taylor asked him about a No. 2 "jointer" which a voucher showed had been purchased from the farm. The witness said there was no such thing on the farm and declared he did not know what a "Jointer" was. The voucher showed that XZ had been paid for the implement. The attorney general picked up a voucher numbered "WO," and dated April 8, 1S0S, which indicated that $14 had been paid to the management of the Brown seed store, at Jeffersonville, for l corn drill. The witness said this drill was priced at $7 at the time it was purchased. Another voucher showed that tho State had paid for a "trucker," which, the witness said, was not on the farm. It was explained that a "trucker" is a wagon. Mr. Taylor asked the witness about the sale of hogs from the farm and the agricultural products. Witness said he could not say how many hogs he sold while connected with the farm. He said th.1t Thomas N. Jenner, purchasing agent for the Institution, who looked after the sale of the hogs, failed to give him the weight or number of hogs sold. Witness said they bought some corn from Louis Hartman, a brother-in-law of Jenner. the purchasing agent. Witness understood they paid M cents a bushel for the corn. It was bought through Jenner. A few days later, witness said, he went to Hartman and asked the price of .corn. Hartman told him it was worth 23 cents a bushel. Hartman delivered the corn to the prison. Witness said the market price of corn that spring was from IS to 32 cents. Witness was asked why ha left the prison. "They discharged me," he said. He was told, he said, that the farm was not paylug. WHERE TO BUY STUFF. "Did any one ever Instruct you where to buy stuff for the farm?" aked the attorney general. "Mr. Ilert once told me that If I needed anything and could get it from Mr. Hartman to do so," the witness replied. "Mr. Ilert said Mr. Hartman was a particular friend of his." Mr. Ketcham, on cross-examination, asked: "Did pot your brother haul hogs from the farm and sell them in his own came!" "No, sir; be did not," replied the witness. . Mr. Ketcham asked the witness about the Hartman corn deal. He s-uid that Jenner told him they were feeding the hogs too much corn, that the ccrn was costing too rauch. Jenner. he said, showed him a bill lrom Louis Hartman, showing that corn ' had been purchased at 43 cents a bushel. G. M. Hudspeth, of Petersburg, was the next witness. He said he was a guard at the Indiana Reformatory about six or seven months In l'SM and 1?. Part of tho time he lived in the prison. While he lived there he received $55 a month, but IS was taken out each month for tho guard's dining hall fund. While he lived outride be received $50 a month and paid $5 to the dining hall fund. Witness paid that about twenty-two persons paid 5)5 a month to the dining hall fund. He said ho did not know what this money was used for. AN OBJECTION. Mr. Davis asked the witness what he kn?w of any gambling at the prison." Mr. Ketcham objected to the question on the ground tnat it was not a part of the "specifications" submitted some time ago by Mr. Davis. The latter, however, reformed the question and the witness said that some of the officers Indulged In gambling two or three times a week. The witness was asked what he knew of John H. Al-y, assistant deputy warden, being intoxicate,;. Witness said he had seen Mr. Aley when he thought he was under the influence of liquor. In the presence cf prisoners. On cros-examinatiun th witness told Mr. Ketcham that he was dis-charged from the prison. He supposed it was lurauf? o? a quarrel he had with the deputy warden. The next witness was Paul J I. Curtner, of Hazltton. who was hospital steward at the prison from Au;;u.t, to August, Superintendent Hert told him. he said, to be very careful about the drug tills and ree that the prices of the drurs were on the bills as invoices. Occasionally he marked overcharges on the bills and nt them to Superintendent Hert. The latter called him into the office and told hirn not to mark overcharge on the bills. He did not want the bills defaced. He said if there were overcharges to .peak about them. Witness eaid he did not know whether the.-e bills marked "overcharge" wer allowed. RclnJT cross-examined, the witness paid that Mr. Hert had nwver Instructed him to "pass" a bill where there was an overcharge without saying FCr.ieihlng about it. The next witness called was W. H. Ryan, now a hotel clerk at Seymour. He was rTuioycd at the prison In different capacities for a time. He was captain of the rrard at one time and also second itssistrnt superintendent. He went there In 1Vj7. I yzu iold of a convict named Martin who

was discharged before hi3 time. Figures in the office showed that the man was discharged fix months before hi? sentence expired. Witness said there had been an error on some one's part. He knew of no influence being brought to bear to get Martin out. Witness told of a boy named Fox who died at the prison. It whs claimed the boy committed suicide, he said. CAUSE OF DISCHARGE. "I was discharged." said the witness, "because It was said I had stated a man had been murdered there." Witness said he did not say this. He said there were rumors that Fox had been murdered. Witness said Superintendent Hert told him he was not loyal to him; that he (witness) talked too much. This was when the fctate Board of Charities visited the prison. While the board was there witness was called In and asked what he knew about the death of Fox. He replied that he had only heard rumors. He paid Hert afterward called him into the office and said to him: "Your mouth will get you into trouble." Hert accused him of making the statement in Jeffersonville that a man had been murdered at the institution. They had some words and witness was told to get his "time." He said that, as fir as he knew, the discharge of Martin berore hi time was up was due to an error of the clerk. Joseph S. Salladay, a railway switchman, of Brazil, was called. He was guard and assistant deputy warden at the prison In 1S15 and lsi'o. lie recalled having taken a prisoner to Connersyille, who was summoned to appear as a witness. Fayette county paid the expenses of both Salladay and ,the prisoner. Witness turned the money over to Superintendent Hert. He thought the amount was about f 15- Before going he had drawn money from the Institution for the expenses of himself and prisoner. ,"Do you know whether or not the State got the benefit of this money you paid to Mr. Hert?" aed Mr. Taylor. "I do not," replied the witness. "Do you know about any whipping order down there?" was asked. Witness knew: that whipping had been done when it was needed. The committee adjourned a little after 5 o'clock until 4 p. m. Monday. "WAUDEN II EXIT'S ANSWEU.

He Make n Complete Reply to the Interrogator Ich. Alvin T. Hert fded a complete answer yesterday to the charges preferred against Mm in the matter of the investigation of his acccunts as tuperir.tendent of the Inciana Reformatory at Jeffersonville. The document is full of interest end reads as follows: "The respondent. Alvin T. Ilert, recently warden of the Indiana State Prison South, t'nd at present and since the first day of April. the superintendent of the Inciana Reformatory, for enswer to so much of the resolution as requires them to 'receive evidence and testimony of the condition of the Reformatory for the year ending Oct. 31, 190l tnd all outstanding obligations at the time existing.' savs that the statement heretofore gncn to the comnu'--tee by Frank Martin is. as he is informed and verily believes, substantially and accurately correct. For r.nswer to so much of the icsolutlon as requires the committee to "investigate into the expenses of the superintendent's residence for tho Inst fiscal year, so far as th? State is required to furnish such $ ubsistehce,' ravs that, as nppears by the resolution hereinafter set forth in extenso, the State, in addition to the salary, furnished the subfdsterce not only ot the superintendent, but also of the assistant superintendent, and that the residences of the assistant superintendent tind th? superintendent are adjacent, and not infrequently articles obtained for MLe m the cne were used in the ether without discrimination, and it Is, therefore, impossible to say accurately what was the ultimate distribution of such expense oetween the two, but. as shown by the bills, the oripinais of which he is prepated to furnish and exhibit to the committee, such expenditures were as follows: For groceries to the superintendent. $:50.79 For the assistant superintendent.... C11.33 For fresh meats to the superintendent Em5.3 To the assistant superintendent ltfl.10 For salt meats end lard to the superintendent 113.70 To the assistant superintendent 1Ö1.1C For sugar to the superintendent.... 23.00 To the assistant superintendent.... 21.50 For ice to th3 superintendent 40.00 To the assistant superintendent.... 40.00 For fuel to both superintendent and assistant superintendent, no distribution between them having been made..:.....; 230.67 Total 2,313.74 To which should be added estimated, however, for the reason that no specific account thereof separate from other expenditures was kept, on account of butter and eggs furnished to both residences 150.00 Making the total amount of said expenditures for the last fiscal year for the two residences $2,469.74 PAST EXPERIENCE. "He further shows that it was known to the board from past experience that said superintendent and assistant superintendent would be required, from time to time, as said institution was visited by the Governor, auditor of state and other state officers,th? members of the State Board of Charities, members of the Legislature and other attaches and employes and the board of managers of the Reformatory, would be compelled. In the discharge of their public duties, to visit said Reformatory and be entertained, and that such entertainment would be of very great expense to the superintendent, and therefore, in fixing the compensation of said superintendent and the assistant superintendent, in addition to the salary. It was provided by said board, by resolution pronerlv enl tered upon their records, that the subsist -f ence should be furnl'hed to sail superin tendent ana said assistant superintendent In addition to paid salary. And it. was further known to said board of managers at the time of making said order that unless provisions were- made for the accommodation of said state officers, said board, etc.. that their expenses at other places In the vicinity of Jeffersonville would be necessarily paid out of other funds of tlia State, and for that reason provision was made for such subsistence. "Said respondent further shows that during the fiscal year ending Oct. 31, 1S)0, while no careful and precise registry of such visitors was kept, such visitors would average during the entire year at least fortv for every month, including In said li:;t cf visitors all of the above-named public officers, except members of the Legislature, and of the members of the Legislature there were none at tho Institution except the committee especially appointed for that purpose as required by law. "And for answer to the specific Interrogatories submitted said respondent, answering, says as follows: "For answer to the first he submits that there was no law requiring that the property belonging to the Indiana State Prison South i?hould be inventoried and transferred to the Indiana Reformatory by this respondent, but that the law in That behalf enacted required the board of directors of the Indiana State Pri?on South to make such transfer, and in compliance with said law the board of directors required and directed the clerk of the Indiana State Prison South to make an inventory, and that in compliance with said direction, as this respondent at the time was informed and believed, said; clerk did make a certain Inventory; that this respondent's attention was not called to the contents of said inventory until within ten days last past, and he had no knowledge whatever of Its contents, but that at or about tho time of the making of said Inventory all of tho property belonging to said Indiana State Prison South was b3' its board of directors properly and formally transferred to the board of managers of the Reformatory, and If any article or articles belonging to the Indiana State Prison South were not so inventoried and transferred this respondent has no knowledge. Information or belief upon that subject whatever, and did not participate In or consent to any eucn omission. Till-: SECOND ANSWER. "For answer to the second interrogatory, said respondent says that In the years 1S05 and l. not to exceed $2u0 of what was known as the 'guards' dining-hall fund,' was expended in the purchase of wares, and that nothing was purchased ostensibly for one purpose, but In reality for another, but it was all purchased for the use of the State and was used where it was needed, whether In the dining hall or in the warden's residence, and was all transferred by the board of directors of the Indiana State Prison South to the board of managers of the Reformatory, and has ever since been used in the proper business of the State and now remains in the possession of the State and of this respondent for tho benefit of the State, except where such wares have been broken or worn out In connection with such use. "Respondent further shows that the 'dln-Irg-hail fund,' so-called, w&4 not a portion

of the funds of the State, but was a fund that arose out of the board paid to the warden by the guards that were on duty and who paid said warden for their board, and a separate account was kept thereof, and In connection with said dining-hall fund said warden necessarily furnished board to sheriffs and other public officers bringing prisoners to, or coming for prisoners from the prison, without charge, and that this respondent never received any personal or pecuniary benefit or advantage from said dining-hall fund, the expense of maintaining said dining-hall fund not being provided for or paid out of any appropriation made by the State, except that the bread and potatoes used were used from the supplies purchased for the use of prisoners in lieu of the charges being made to the sheriffs. "For answer to the third interrogatory respondent says that during the year 1SW about the sum named of what Is known as the 'library fund' was, with the approval of the board of directors, expended in refurnishing the warden's residence with carpets, rugs and window shades; that no lace curtains or other furnishings were obtained. The property so purchased belonged to the State, was used in the residence provided for the warden, and from time immemorial has been the practice. The so-called 'library fund' arose from a small charge made to visitors for being shown through the Institution, find respondent says that none of the property so purchased was, to his knowledge, or with his consent, omitted from the inventory so directed to be made by the board of directors, and still remains upon the premises as the property of the State. "For answer to the fourth interrogatory, said respondent shows that at thi3 time there are twelve head of cows belonging to the Reformatory, and that none of the cows or cattle belonging to the institution were omitted from said inventory by his direction or with his knowledge or consent, and that all of the cattle, with the Increase therefrom arising since the date of said Inventory, are now at said institution or have been used in connection with the business of the institution. WARDEN'S RESIDENCE. "For answer to the fifth interrogatory respondent says that at and prior to his election as warden it had for a long time been believed that the residence of the warden was Insufficient, unsafe and unsanitary, and on or about the 1st day of August, 1S95, the then attending physician made a report In relation to the sanitary condition of the warden's residence, upon wtilch the board of directors entered an order, said report and the order then entered being a? follows:" (Here follows the report of Dr. Peyton, the prison physician, to the effect that the residence was in bad condition. "'After considering the above report It was ordered by the board that the sum of $2,000 be allowed the warden for the purpose of remodeling and repairing the warden's residence, the same to be taken out of the specific appropriation, and if the above sum be insufficient to properly put the said building In Rood repair and in good sanitary condition, a further allowance will be made for that purpose.' "Said respondent further shows that it was not known at the time of the making of said order to just what extent it would be necessary to make said rep? Irs, or the expense thereof, but that it was known and provided in said order that the sum would probably exceed the amount named in the order; that each and every item of the expense so made In such work was made with the knowledge and approval of the board of directors, the whole amount aggregating about fifty-five hundred dollars, and no fact in. relation thereto, was kept concealed, nor were the amount or extent of such improvements, or the expense thereof, withheld from the board of d.'rectors or charged to any other or different purpose than th repairs of said warden's residence. "For answer to the sixth interrogatory said respondent says no. "For answer to the seventh said respondent says none. "For answer to the eighth said respondent says that no statistical information as to the operation of the parole system or other features of 'its plan was falsified In any manner or for i.ny purpose, to tho knowledge or with the consent or connivance of this respondent. "For answer to the ninth said respondent says that none of the guards of said institution were permitted to curse or use profane language towards the inmates or inflict upon them any immoral or degrading treatment. That in some instances it was ascertained that some of the guards had used improper language and had conducted themselves Improperly towards the prisoners, but that in every instance, whenever knowledge of that fact came to this respondent, the person so offending was promptly discharged. ANSWERED IN NEGATIVE. "For answer to the tenth the respondent says no. That about the month of September, 1S95, this respondent, ascertaining that a team of horses was needed for the institution and that there were more mules on hand than were needed, bought a team of horses for the sum and price of $200, and shortly thereafter, when the opportunity afforded, sold a team of mules for the same price, and no portion thereof was paid out. of the special appropriation fund for that year, but the sum received for mules equaled the sum paid for the horses, and that said team ever since that time has remained on hand as the property of the State, and ha? been and is still used in the institution for all proper purposes connected therewith. "For answer to the eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth interrogatories said respondent says to each no. "For answer to the fourteenth said respondent says that among other duties imposed upon hirn, whether as warden of the Indiana State Prison South or as superintendent of the Reformatory, was the safekeeping of the moneys that came to his hands as such warden and superintendent respectively; that i:i the discharge of saia dutv he ciid, as h understood his duty required him to do, deposit them in a good and solvent b-mk. incorporated under the laws cf this State and subject to the examination cf its proper officers, said funds remaining there subject to check at ail times as mljvht b required, and that at all t'mer. during his incumbency of sain several office? he properly paid over to the proprr officer of the State, as required by law; that he at all times kept himself Informed of the condition of solvency of said bank; that he was informed and believed that one of th directors of said prison and managers of said Reformatory was a stockholder in said bank, as was also one of the leading sureties upon this respondent's bond. HORSE AND COW. "For answer to the fifteenth interrogatory said respondent says that during the month of September, lsW, it was ascertained that the Institution needed an additional horse and an additional cow; that one of the members of the board of directors at the time owned a horse and a cow which he was willing should be used without charge, and at the same time he was negotiating for a sale of a team of horses to another party, and shipped to such party three- horses and one cov, tho freight bill upon the horse and the cow being paid out of the funds of the institution, and upon the-two horses so shipped bv the shipper; that the party to whom the horses were shipped not being saltslied to purchase them, they remained . in connection with the horse and cow that were being used at the institution for a short time and sold by the owner to another party; that the institution had the use without charge of the remaining horse and the cow for about four years, when they were turned over to the owner after the State had had the free use of them, together with the increase from the cow for such period. "For answer to the sixteenth interrogatory said respondent says that so far as he has any knowledge, information or belief, the property which the records, books and receipted bills of said Institution indicate should belong to it are now actually In Its possession, except so far as they have been necessarily used and consumed In the proper management of the institution; that the same is true as to the supplies indicated to have been purchased, and that neither a large amount of such property or supplies, or any amount, have In fact been otherwise disposed cf or converted to the use of any person who had no legal right to the same, or for any purposes except the proper uses and purposes of tha State in connection with the proper management of its prison and Its Reformatory. "And in general said respondent shows that if by reason of any omission or overfight on his part, or on the part of his attorney, any question of fact Inquired of In either, any or all of the foregoing interrogatories or resolution have not been answered as fully, specifically and completely as in the opinion of the committee such resolution or interrogatory, or either of them, require that they should be answered, this respondent here and now offers such other, further, additional or more tpeciflc information as your honorable committee may indicate they may desire or require. And respondent submits that he has in the above and foregoing answers fully responded to all and singular the matters to which ho has been required to make answer."

LAWYERS UPHOLD HIM

V OPIMOX GENERAL THAT MR. GILBERT'S IttLlXG IS SOUND. Ex-Senator Hawkins nntl Senator Sfntson Discuss It Legislative News and Gossip. Ex-State Senator Roscoe O. Hawkins discussed Lieutenant Governor Gilbert's sensational ruling on the Muncle Normal School bill, last night, in a clear and Interesting manner. "I don't think there is any doubt at all about Its correctness." said Senator Hawkins. "I think the-Constltution' plainly says that revenue bills shall originate in the House, and the Constitution Is, of course, binding on the Legislature. That is what It is for, what it was enacted for. Of course it comes down from the old English law which required every revenue bill to emanate from the Ifcuse of Commons, as distinguished from the House of Lords, because the members of the House of Commons were the direct representatives of the people, elected by popular vote. Following that came the Constitution of the United States, which requires such legislation to originate ' In the House of Representatives and not In the Senate. The same question has been raised In the United States Congress frequently and It has always been held that such bills must originate In the House of Representatives. Of course there Is not as much reason for a rigid adherence to this In our State as there was in England, or as tnere is in the United States Congress. In Congress the members are elected directly by the people and elected every two years; therefore, they are before the people every two years; while the senators are elected by the legislatures of the States and hold office for six years, and the reason for that provision is that bills of that nature should come from the nearest representatives of the people and the representatives that are most frequently elected by the people so that they may be held to stricter account. This was the original reason for it in England, and that is the reason for it in our constitutional enactments." Where Credit Belong. "Lieutenant Governor Gilbert Is absolutely entitled to the credit of being the first to discover and announce the point on which the Muncle Normal School bill was defeated Friday afternoon," said Senator Frederick E. Matson, of this city, last nißht. "Mr. Gilbert and myself, with several others, took dinner at the .same table iii the Columbia Club dining room yestereiay," continued Senator Matson, "and all ol a sudden as we were engaged in our conversation 1 noticed him take out of hi3 pocket his copy of the Senate rules and then he kept referring to it constantly throughout the remainder of the meal. After we had finished our dessert he asked me to go with him into the parlor. There he cited me to Section 17 of Article 4 of th Constitution of Indiana, as printed In the book of rules. This section says that bills lor raising revenue shall originate In the He.use of Representatives. He then called my attention to the fact that Section IS c' Senate bill 301 (the Muncle normal bill) provides for the levying, assessment, collection and apportionment of a certain tax. Wo at once began to discuss means of usInr the information which Mr. Gilbert had happened upon. We learned that Senator Dausman was Intending anyway to move to reconsider the vote on the bill, so our 11 st step was to get the bill back from the House where it had been sent after passage In the Senate. Governor Gilbert obtained a promise from Speaker Artman to return the measure by messenger. When the bill came to the Senate, which was about 2:20 Friday afternoon, Senator Dausman , moved to reconsider the vote and then I rose to a point of order, stating that a motion to reconsider Senate bill 201 could not be entertained by the chair or the Senate and it was therefore out of order. Mr. Gilbert immediately sustained the point of order, at the same time giving in full his reasons for so doing, as the j have been briefly set forth here. No appeal was taken from the decision of the chair and the benate proceeded to other business. In about three-quarters of an hour the Lieutenant Governor sent for rrc to come to the chair and when I did so he handed me a letter which read as follows: " 'Mr. Gilbert. I wish that you would give me some information on Senate IMU öo4. Interested parties are seeking an interview with me and I want ro know what to say. Signed, S. R, Artman. "The Lieutenant Governor agreed that it was perfectly proper that the House should understand the status of the bill and his reasons for taking the step which he took in the Senate, and accordingly he delegated me to go to Mr. Artman and make such explanation, which I did. As 1 left Mr. Artman's presence I asked him what he thought of Lieutenant Governor Gilbert's action and ne said that he thought there was no question that he was right." Horace E. Smith Opinion. "Offhand I should say that Lieutenant Governor Gilbert was right in his ruling that the Muncle Normal School bill was rot properly before the Senate, because it is a measure for raising revenue and should, therefore, originate in the lower branch of the Legislature," said Attorney Horace E. Smith last night. "There is certainly no doubt about the principle that if it is a revenue bill it ought to originate in the House, for it is expressly stated that way in the Constitution of Indiana. I have not examined into any authorities on the subject, but I do know this much, that the Lieutenant Governor is a firstclass lawyer and he Is apt to be right." MIL IlISHOP'S VIEWS. Given Hin Opinions on Some of the Iltlln llefore the Legislature. "A number of representatives are afraid that the supporters of the Vincennes and Cclumbus epileptic village bills will move the previous question and thus shut off debate on these measures," said Representative Lishop, of Morgan county, last night. "I think these are questions that should be discussed thoroughly, since they are matters in which the public is deeply interested. A full and fair discussion will aid men who have not yet come to a conclusion in forming their conclusions in regard to the bills. I am greatly opposed to moving the previous question and thus cutting fehort the debate on matters of vital importance to all taxpayers. I intend to take the floor against the bills I have named, and also against the Muncle normal school bill, should it come up In the House. I would have spoken against the appropriation for an Indiana exhibit at the Buffalo exposition if I could have secured recognition. That I did not get recognized was not, however, the fault of Speaker Artman. lie has been very courteous Indeed to me. "I have received scores of letters from various parts of the State urging me to use my influence against these measures, which have been by some termed 'grafts.' I understand that Speaker Artman intends to take the floor himself In opposition to these bills. If he does he will exert a terrible leverage. The men who are urging the passage of these measures do not know the real sentiment of the State. We have already made one mistake on the primary election law. As the bill now stands It is narrowed down to Marion county. I believe a majority of the counties of the State passed resolutions in their nominating conventions last year favoring a primary election law for the entire State. The state convention was outspoken on the subject, and it seems to me that the members of the General Assembly ought to carry out the wishes of the people thus expressed. If the bill should prove objectionable after It has been given a fair trial it could be refealed at a succeeding session of the Leglsature." Wants It Located Here. Representative Cruson, of Scottsburg (Dem.), has decided to offer an amendment to the bill providing for a village for epileptics when It comes up on second reading in the House, fixing tl;e location at Irdianapolls. As the bill stands now the site tor the village has been left to the selection of a committee, Columbus having been cut out when the bill was reported to tho House. Mr. Cruson proposes to locate the village on the grounds owned by the fetate adjoin

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injr the Central Hospital for the Insane, be-th institutions to be managed by the same board of trustees. Mr. Cruson also proposes to cut the proposed appropriation one-half. Elevated Track Bill. There will be a meeting of the Senate committer on city of Indianapolis immediately after the adjournment of the Senate Tuesday afternoon for the purpose of considering the elevated track bill, introduced by Senator Thompson last Thursday. Any persons wishing to address tne committee on the elevated track question will be heard at that time. LEGISLATIVE GOSSIP. Stories nntl Items Picked lp In the Corridors at the Capitol. Prof. J. A. Carnagey, superintendent of the city schools of Columbus, Ind., brought over the senior and junior classes, fifty in number, of the high school Friday to visit the Legislature. ProL Carnagey has been using this means of teaching civil government practically during the past ten or twelve years. . Representative Trout, of Clay county, went home Friday night suffering witn stomach trouble. He expected to return to his seat in the House to-morrow. xxx W. H. Hawkins, known to friends as "Hosca" Hawkins, secretary of the Democratic state central committee, was a visitor in the House of Representatives Friday afternoon. "We are still keeping the committee rooms open." he said, with one of his cheery smiles, "and are continuing the fight. Ours Is a just cause and we will win yet." Mr. Hawkins is noted for his intense optimism. xxx Representative Marshall, of Tippecanoe county, and Senator E. JJ. Wolcott were riding in the Statehouse elevator yesterday, whpn Mr. Marshall asked Mr. Wolcott, "Are you folks over in the Senate going to pass that bill maklnff an appropriation for an Indiana exhibit at the PanAmerican exposition in Buffalo?" "Do you know of any appropriation bill we have not passed yet?" asked Mr. Wolcott in return. xxx "An afternoon paper has done me a great Injustice," said Senator Charles N. Thompson, of this city, "in Its published statement that there is a conspiracy in the Senate to carry through five measures, the Vincennes University appropriation, the Muncie Normal bill, the Columbus Epileptic Hospital bill, the bill providing for consolidation of railroads and my tax bill. The tax bill referred to does not deprive any of the taxing officers of the powers given them under present statutes, but oaJy provides that they must exercise these "powers in a constitutional way by causing a writ to forthwith issue as to any person who has sequestered any property before they can enter and search his premises and seize property for such taxes. Now, the statement that this tax bill Is Included in any conspiracy that may or may not be in existence is absolutely and unqualifiedly untrue. The truth of this Is demonstrated ty the fact that I voted against the Vincennes, Muncle and Columbus bills. I did vcte for the bill concerning consolidation of railroads because I believe it only enabled raliro?ds to do by law what they arj now compelled to do .under decrees of court. As to the other matters referred to in the statement I do not speak." xxx "As soon as the call for bills on second reading 13 made I Intend to call up the kindergarten bill introduced by me," said Senator Layman, of Marlon, last night, "and it will be advanced to third reading." XXX The 'statement published in an afternoon paper to the effect that I promised Representative Clem, of Vigo county, that I would vote against the Muncle Normal School bill in the Senate is not true." said Senator W. W. Lambert last night. "I not only made no such promise to Mr. Clem." continued Senator Lambert, "but specifically told him. In the presence of others, that I would support the Muncie measure, and I think Mr. Clem must hav been misquoted, as he has said as much to me." XXX Members of the Senate are telling a story at the expense of George F. McCulloch, who Is prominently connected with the Muncie Normal School measure, which was "knocked out" by Lieutenant Governor Gilbert Friday afternoon. It is said that when Mr. McCulloch, who was over in the House at the time, heard of President Gilbert's ruling he exclaimed. "Well, 1 thought we had an attorney In this matter that understood his business." Assistant Attorney General Merrill Mcores took dinner at the Columbia Clut Friday at the same time that Senator Frederick E. Matson and Lieutenant Govetncr Gilbert were discussing the new point discovered by tho Lluentenant Governor on which the Muncle normal, bill was given

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such a "solar plexus" blow about an hour later. Mr. Moores was asked for his opinion on the discovery made and said unhesitatingly that he believed the point was well taken, that a measure which provided for the raising of revenue by taxation must, according to the State Constitution, originate in the House of Representatives. XXX On the subject of the alleged combination in the Senate and House Senator Lambert said last night: "All that has been printed alleging a combine between the Columous, Vincennes and Muncle people is aDsolutely without foundation and false. Each of the measures has been pushed by Its respective friends regardless of other bills. We have, of course, not fought each other, but the charge of a combine is absolutely false and slanderous. Our measure, tho Columbus bill, has been recommended by the cenference of State Charities, the State Loard of Charities and the superintendents cf all the insane hospitals, anything stated to the contrary notwithstanding. The bill proposes to make from 500 to feüü epileptics, now In the poor houses and insane hospitals, self-sustaining. They are now maintained at public expense. The appropriations this year, even if all three of the measures I , have mentioned should pass, will be something like $500,000 less than the appropriations made two years ago. The appropriations last session were nearly Jfl.WJ.OOO for the years 1899 and 1900, and yet we paid off the State debt at the rat-3 of $500,000 per year during those two years. We can build the epileptic village, pay the Vincennes claim and accept the Muncle Normal School and still pay off the State debt during the next two years at tho rate of more than $500.000 per year." XXX Dr. W. E. Stone, president of Purduo University, is in the city.. It is understood that he is here for the purpose of appearing before the ways and means committeo cf the House of Representatives in the matter of appropriations asked for Purdue The Ohio Salary Grab. ' COLUMBUS, O., Feb. 16. The members of the General Assembly gathered here today to gather their slaries for this year and for the reunion and banquet, which occurred to-night. The Ohio General Assembly holds biennial sessions, and this is the off year. In place of the regular session the members hold a reunion, the feature of which is the payment of salaries for the session which is not held. Each member drew $G00. PESTH0TJ8E AGAIN. City Board of Health Anxious for One Municipal Affairs. The Board of Health will take up th'; question of a pesthouse at its next meeting to be held early next month and the members of the board hope to arrive at a definite conclusion as to what will be done in the matter. The recent outbreak of smallpox In the city and the erysipelas cases in the surgical ward at the City Hospital have brought the necessity of such a building strongly to the attention of the board. The last annual reports of the board and Superintendent Spencer, of the City Hospital, pointed out the necessity of such a building and the board has decided to take up the question in earnest. It is the desire of the board to have the City Council make an appropriation sufficient to erect a modern isolation hospital suitable to take care of all contagious diseases. Such a building would have cement walls and ceilings and floors that could be removed. The present small building on the hospital grounds could be utilised for smallpox cases and the new building would be suitable for all contagious and infectious diseases. The cost of such a building as Is contemplated will be between $S,O0ö and $10.000. Safety Hoard's Doings. The Board of Safety yesterday authorized Clerk Iavis to advertise In local papers and also in two firemen's papers for bids for two new fire engines for the Indianapolis department. The bids will be received March 10. The engines to be N purchased must have a capacity of 1.100 to 1.200 gallons a minute. The CcuncIJ appropriated $10,500 for the purchase of the two new engines. The board granted a six months leave of absence to Detective Milton P. Fort on account of sickness. Bicycle Patrolman K. 8. Bray was transferred to the detective department during Fort's absence. The PlumblnfC Ordinance. The councilmanic committee on public safety and comfort will probably take up thv question of a plumbing inspector's ordinance in a few days. A meeting of some of the members of the committee was held last week and it was agreed that the' ordinance that has been before the committee lor nearly a year should bo reported upon

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unfavorably and a new ordinance prepared wh'.ch will meet the rlews of the Board of Health. A NEGEO'S ARREST. He Was Trying to Dispose of Stolen Horse and Hagrffy. William Brown, a negro, while .waiting for the payment to him of $20, the "boot" in a trade, wa arrested by Detectives Morgan, Wallace and Atch for the theft of a horse and buggy which he had stolen. Mrs. Christian Reis left her horse and buggy standing at the curb while she made som purchases at the market. When she returned it was gone. About an hour later a livery man at Mount Jackson telephoned to the police that a negro was making a trade with him and he thought the casa would warrant an investigation. Hrown traded the outfit for an oid white mule, a rickety wagon and tho $20, which was never paid. So interested was he In his fate after the arrival of the detectives that he did not see his newly-acquired mule wobbung slowly down the road until It got nearly a half mile away. Boys and 3Ioney Brought Dock. Detective Lancaster returned yesterday afternoon from Kansas City, Mo., with Clarence Catt. of S40 South Missouri street, and Charles Rice, of ill Henry street, who robbed Fred Buechert, a Junk dealer at 403 West McCarty street, one week ago of $3S5. The boys had little to say except that they were glad to get back. Uuechtrt after paying the expenses of returning the fugitives will have returned to hlni about $750. Ell Illnck Brought to Town. Detectives Asch and Morgan went yesterday afternoon to Southport and returned with Eli Black, a negro, who was detained by farmers near there as a suspected thief. He was trying to dispose of a bicycle at much less than Its worth. The farmers had a stiff fight with him. but got him under control. The officers had no trouble with him. He was slated for grand larceny. The owner of the wheel had not been found last nighL The Knights of Honor. The Grand Lodge of Indiana Knights of Honor will hold its annual meeting in th Union Trust building on Tuesday and Wednesday of this wek. Headquarters will be at the Denlson Hotel. The flnanc committee will meet to-morrow at the Dcnison. Tuesday evening the members of the Grand ldge will visit Washington Lodge, where Grand Representative Wilson will give exemplification of the lodge work, Death of George IV. "Win penny. The funeral of George W. Winpenny, forty years old, who died Friday. at his home, 1437 English avenue, after a long illness, will be held at 2 p. m. to-day. H was a lawyer, having an extensive practice among the justices' courts. He was active in political work and In IK was the candidate for police Judge on the Republican ticket, but was defeated. He leaves a mother and sister. Another Library from Carnegie. CENTRALIA. 111.. Feb. lo Andrew Carregie has offered $15.0'J0 for tl;j erection of a library building here. "SWEET" EATERS "Way to Correct Children's Taste. Sometimes children become willful and refuse nourishing food, demanding sweets, candy. Ice cream, etc., much to their detriment. It is a great help in such cases to have a food that is naturally sweet and attractive. A case In Philadelphia will illustrate. "The daughter of Mrs. M. E. Sarles, II v Ing at 1330 MIfllin street, was a deilcat child from Infancy and had been indulged in many things. She gradually got thinner and more fretful dally, refusing food other than sweets, etc., finally contracting whooping couh which undermined htr health to such an extent that her attending physician agrred that her coun had developed Into bronchial catarrh, and that only a short time would vnsue bftro consumption would relieve her sufferings. In despair, the child's aunt was t'üt for, and knowing tha wonderful nutritive value of Grape-Nuts food, she prepared some and Induced the little ne let at it. At the flrft taste he said: "Oh r.untie. this Is so r.ic.-, I want some more." Frc m that lime tho child acquired an appetite and .Vgan to Improve. She was fed on Grape-Nuts steadily until now. he Is a pe-rfertly hvalxhy, strong child, attends the tllrls 'Iramrr-ar School, aud is a bright and ai t 21.