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faces. With Logan on the Republican tidtet-, T presume it will be again. Blaine could hardly afford t had he indulged nrauh in that unpleasantness. They will endeavor to stir up the bad blood of the past. Sty oaurtrysMU. the war is aw for a quarter of a century, and they know it. Why, our beys have married the young maidens of the north land, and children have been born to them since those days. They will continue to go to the altar, aud side by side aft dying beds they w lit talk of that bourn* whence no traveler returns, will lie down and be buried together. Why, the boys in the blue and the gray have slept together for a quarter of a eentnry upon a thousand Helds of common glory; let their bones .done; they are representing the bet* blood irt the land* and though differing in the day** that should be forgotten* the good men of all parties in our country to-day v thank God, have united in the great common progress of our race, to forget tho war memories of the war times. I thank you, fellow-citizens, for your attention, trusting that y<mr forbearance will be extended to mo. Wliat mistakes I shall make doubtless you will treat lightly am) kindly, with corrective head. Hopteg that stMSfeee may crown your effort—that yon may seed a tickets to our country upon, whom all may unite, is the wish of him, whom you have honored with your suffrages this day. [Loud and long contined applause.] -i • i The temporary organization was completed as follows: For temporary seeretray, Frederick O. Prince, Vs Massachusetts. Assistant secretaries. E. L. Merritt of Ulirois, George O. Gnthric of Pennsylvania, G. L. Johnson of lowa, Robert M. Bashfovd of Wisconsin, diaries M. Vallandighftnt of Missouri. H. J. Lynn of Tennessee, Michael Eh Barret of New Jersey. Reading clerks, T. ©; Walker of lowa, Thomas S. Pettit of Washington l , D. C, Nicholas H. Belief Missouri, James B. Morrison of New York, H. L. Bryan of Delaware. Official stenographer, E P. Dickerson, of New York. Hergoant at amts, Richard J. Bright, of Indiana.

THE I’NIT Rll.K. A Hot Debate Over a Resolution Practically Abrogating It. Chicago, July Bi—At the conclusion of the temporary organization, Mr. Malloy, of Vermont (a member of the national committee), offered a resolution that .the rules of the last Democratic convention shall govern this body, except that, in voting for candidates, no State should bo allowed to change its vote till the roll of States bad been called and until every State had east its vote. Mr. Grady, of New York, offered as an amendment the foHewing: Aud when the veto o£ a State, as announced by the chairman of the delegation of such State, ie challenged by any member u£ the delegation then the secretary stud? call the names of the individual delegates from the State, and their individual preferences as expressed shall be recorded as the vote of such State. MR. FELLOWS' SPEECH. Mr. Fellows, of New York, saiu: Mr. Chairman: I desire to address the convention a few suggestions which, it seems tamo, should govern their action with reference to the amendment gent up by my colleague from New-York. The Scats convention of New York, whose embassadors and: representatives alouo we are upon this floor, elected by its will, rfcthed with all the authority that we possess by its ictfon and by none other, have directed—not requested, but have directed—that in compliance with the immemorial usage of the Democratic party in that State, the sentiment of its delegation shall first be ascertained through the expression of a majority, and that New York thereafter shall give.; voice to that expression by the unanimous vote of its delegation as a whole. 1 Boldly, sir, and plainly, iu no spirit of acrimony, hut with an earnest desire that the trust reposed in us shall fie accomplished on the condition* which those who gave tbo trust laid upon ns, I challenge the right of this convention to defeat the will of New York as expressed by its convention. Sirs, you shall not at lefts* strip from the brow of aur sovereign queer* her crown wit hout ftmotest npou the part of some of her loyal subjects. Now York, I repeat, gave us hurfilr-' ihority. We stand tiers as representatives elected by bo congressional districts. A convention was called according to she usunges of our party in New York end assembled at Saratoga: every element of our party in that State was represented upon the floor of the convention. That convention, by its vote, elected seveuty-two delegates to represent the .State of New York, and to express her win upon the floor of our national convention. and in conferring upon ns this high trust they told us the m ether is under which we must exercise that trustm her behalf. I beg leave, for the information of this convention, to read what the majeetie and sovereign# Empire StateJlad to say to those whom she appointed to express her will in the national council. Mr. Fellows than read that clause of the New York platform instructing tha delegates to vote ns a unit. Continuing-, the speaker said: Sirs: Such was the solemn injunction laid upon us hr orrr State. Wo may not violate it. Hie men of Massachusetts, Kentucky or Texas have no right to dr vide what the will of Now York is. We liave met to idvije with you. We are here to counsel toOTtlier. When the voice of the nation lias declared its win, New York will heartily aeoadii to ite command, and go in the van of the- comic in the- methods and nuder Hie leadership you may order; bnt as to the mere methods and I'orm.s that, ant to govocu our delegated action hero, New York alone lias- rite right to command ns. But, a word ar two further on this point. New York presented this request in its convention. Tlie ganUemau who has presented the amendment sat upon the floor at the convention as a delegate. That resolution, which I have read m your hearing, gentlemen of the Democratic party, of the Notion, received the’ cote of every delegate present in that eonvwn- ' ion. Nw York- did not instruct her delegates, that upon any question decided by the expression of her majority, they should vote as three of fonr •a* five units, in the common- sum: hut as a unit upon *ll questions, her seventy-two votes are to be cast, unless we violate the obligation which New York has laid ipou ns. Now, to tie purport and intent of the amendment: When the voice of New York is asked for in this convention, the majority of its delegation, by mere than two-thi rife, have declared that the ehsiraa of one delegation shall cast seventv-two votes hr reoi-dftne* with t hat expressed win. f do not deny to fight of nay member of this detention to get upon his feet in this onncil es free men aud free speech, and stato the reasons which, mope* Sim to differ whir the action of l lie majority; bnt what Tdo mean is this; that when ike majority's wrtf ie ascertained, liy the inst ructions ofeor State <m .State must hare its appropriate dignity. its appropriate character and strength, by speaking its voice a* one man and with its seventy-two votes. You sire asked, gentlemen of this convention, to disregard the sentiment of onr great State and permit each member of this delegation to vote as an individual, a* a violation of instructions. I bid von -pam long and consider earefnlly, gentlemen of our sbtbr Statea, brethren whom we love in the fellowship of a contmen cause, you who look to our State to have Hs place close up to the head of your victorious cafnnra this fail. Ibid yen to coutdrar long ami well before, by yonr votes, yon strike down ruthlessly the sovereign power of our State, expressed by tire unanimous will of its delegates in State cawveirtiOTi assembled throngh the resolution that I have, read ia yonr hearing. The Chair—An amendment is pending. Senator Grady is entitled to. the floor; pending which, however, an amendment has been offered to the anaendraeiit. Secretary Bell—An amendment to the amendment offered by Mr Menzies. of Indiana. No State, shall ebango its vote nutil the result of the ballot has been announced. The Chons—Th* gentleman from Now York {Senator Grady) lias the floor. MB. GKWDV's SPEECH. Senator Grady (midi , I desire to address to this convention a few plain words in reference to the amendment. It is a part of the raisvepresentatiou which has filled the hotels and porridnrs of your public buildings regarding the poe&teu of the afefiegation of New York and the people of that State to say that there are no less than sixtyeight independent delegates from New York upon (his •her representing congressional constituencies that •o State convention and State machine has the power tb disfranchise. Our State convention met the people from each of the assembled districts, who sent their delegate. The delegates Urjat enoh congressional district met as a congressioniWbnvcution, selected their delegates * ait handed in the names to the committee on doctors and delegatee to have them reported to the convention nit seToeted by the congressional derogations, so that from the congressional delegations toe chairman of c- rr convention would make up the proper credentials * ov our appearance horn. f am here to say to yon that there ie no Jangor of this convention stripping, the crown from the brow of the Ujaefn State, Niwv York; but there is daugpr that, tonragk the power and influence of political ran. khtory, the honoot,, truthful voice of New York may ,0b have any effective voice upon this fleer. The gentleman refers to the fact that I was a dcl'e•.rafis to the State convention, and wain my seat ' Site what he called the ■nit rule waa adopted by that •ody. Four delegates at large were chosen by the -*Cate convention. The State convention can give to ,r* four delegates at Ihrge just such instructions as it pleases, and they can carry them oat; but, coming ' tom a congressional district, lam hero to voice only thosentimentoftootißstrict, and 1 misstate Democracy itself if there is say power in a Democratic convention wflicll will huah my voice. [Applause. ]'• Why, sir the gent lemon protest' against this body, the grand council of the Democratic pai-f.y, making its own rules and finding out the truth hi the only way that the truth .an be ascertained You eon buy newspapers to, print at the head of tbehr sokunKM ‘’seventy-two tefid ffew York retes;" oaff the roll and wo will stow yon the rote, net solid, amt there is, ho power-in the machinery rt Sow fork that can make It solid., [Applause# j

Wow, dr, the State of New Yoek passes a regulation that no mas holdteg ■ State office within one hundred days of the election is eligible to a seat in Congress, aud we regularly elect congressmen who hold State offices, and they go down to Washington and there ie no talk of stripping from the brow of the Queen anything that the Queen has on, and they laugh at the pretense that tho Stv- 1 Vi of Now York Lad i L in ito power, for instance, to say to delegates comine from congressional districts that they must follow any other than tlie instructions we got from our people at home. It is the incarnation of the old Demoeratic doctrine iff home rule, and the constituency that I represent has a right uDon this floor, and has a right that I not only make known my objections to any candidate, bnt that I shall have the essential effective of that right, and that is a vote to go behind wlaitr I say. The gentleman refers to the fact that by a vote of more than two-thirds the delegates have instructed the chairman to cast the entire vote of onr delegation for a candidate. He dare not tell yon that, it took a long while to get even a majority of that two-thirds together; he dare not tel? you the influences that were exerted in that behalf; he dare not tell yon that the men who came here strong for one candidate voted for another; he dare not tell von that if you passed this resolution there are resolute men upon the delegation from New York who will not only give you the reason why on* candidate should not be nominated, but I will have the right to give their votes to that candidate whom they think can win. [Applause and hisses. J I want to say— At this point the speaker was interrupted by renewed and continued applause and some hisses. Mr. Harris, of Virginia—l make it a point of order that, until permanent organization is effected and the committees appointed, it ia not in oilier to transact any business or offer any resolution for debate or discussion which ought to go to the committee, when appointed, proper to consider that question. We do not know yet who are the members of this convention. The chairman has not the power, nor has the temporary convention the power to provide rules and regulations for the government, of the convention until it ie properly organized, and, therefore, I raise a question of order. The Chairman —The gentleman from Virginia makes the point that at this stage of tho proceedings a motion to adopt rules will not be in ordfcr. At the convention es 1880, immediately after the temporary organization, a resolution was offered that the rules of tlie last Democratic convention govern the body until otherwise ordered. A resolution was adopted antecedent to tlie creation of the committees ou credentials, upon permanent organization, and upon platform. and the same was the case in the convention of 1876, the proceedings of which I have before me. Following the precedents of preceding conventions, I overrule the point of order of tho gentleman. Mr. Grady, of New York, resumed his remarks as follows:

Mr. Chairman: I desire, at the outset, to say to the distinguished chairman that I hope that he feels, ore my account, no discomfiture for any remarks of disapproval that shall take a form unworthy of any Democrat. X know that no mau on thin floor who is a Democrat will find any fault with my speech, even if he does not agree with it in sentiment. lam only lookiug for the attention of Democrats. Others mayhave found a place here by false pretenses, and their action, oven it it. take the form of hisses, can have no effect on me. [Applause. ) I was saying to yon that when the delegation left the State of New York their voice was understood to be decidedly one way. We came to Chicago believing it to be that way. We had every reason for that belief: but political combinations are somewhat stronger, it apiieurs, than the people's will, and so we make this, the only protest that, we tan make. We make it to you. Democrats, for the honor of your party; we make it to you for the honor of yonr country: we make it to yore so that New York may take sumo place in the Democratic column. Do not allow the delegation from this State to he controlled in any other manner than the people who send ns here desire that it shall be done. That is what we want. ,Iu a representative government, when the f people express this wish, it becomes the law; that law, that expression of the popular will, goes higher than ' any unauthorized resolution of a State convention. It is the highest law, it is the voice of (lod itself. We ore here asking you to give us a chance to show you truly how tho delegation from New York stands;' to show ifc to you, and to show yoa the difference between its standiug and the false representations that have been made in every committee-room of every delegation from every State. liet that record be made up. and then, whatever may be the action of this convention, we stand alongside of the gentleman who last addressed yon, to do all in our power and to work as earnestly as men can work; to work as effectively as any of onr brothers shall work to bring victory to whoever shall to tho candidate of this eonrenticu. {Applause.} All we ask is, that the voice of a great State, the voice of the people, may not misrepresesont, rather than represent, their sentiment. Igo back to my constituency just as tho geutiaman goes hack to his. If they favor his course, he gains their approval and indorsement# if they oppose bis course, he receives their condemnation and rebuke. There is no congressional delegate upon this floor who, if the vote of New York be- polled as the vote of every other .State in the United States is to be polled —there ia no delegate hero from any congressional district who does not stand ready, iu faoe of whatever may to the result, to pledge you his life, his honor, and such fortune as lie may have, to vour success in this great battle, which means either that our country shall be relieved.fr om the maladministration from which it has so long suffered, or that once again the Democratic party and its glorious principles are to stand defeat. There will be no defeat if this convention adopts the old Democratic method. "Let every man speak his sentiments and vote for his sentiments,' and then whosesoever sentiments prevail, we will all give them a hearty support. SPEECH OF MB DOOLITTLE. I -Mr. Doolittle, ®f Wisconsin, seM: •, Mr. Chairman: This question is a fundamental one. and one upon which, without any excitement, or feei- ' >ng, or prejudice, I desire to submit a few words to the consideration of this convention. That question is this: Has a State a right to speak for itself in thisconvention, or not? Yes. [Applause.] In the election of a President, under the Constitution of the United States, the States speak as S unit, The States cannot speak, in any other mode in the choice of a President than as a unit. What is this great convention? We do not elect a President,, it is tree, but we name a man to be elected President of the United States. How shall wo name him? Ought we not to name him under tho authority of tiro separate States, just as we elect Irim after be ha* been nominated? I agree that if any State shall, by ite own will and low, provide thst the electors of a President or Viee-presidettt shall to chosen by-separate districts; the State care do so; the State, by law. can have them all chosen upon one generul ticket; but when they come to vote, the majority of the electors for President and Vice-president cast the vote of the whole State, not half a State. Therefore, sir, as the- great Democratic party of this country ie the only party that defends the Constitution and defends the right ft of the States, so far an they are not delegated away by the- Constitut ion—os this great Democratic party is the party to defend the Constitution, and to defend the right* of the States as well as the rights of the Union, let us be very cantioußtoferre we assume, in a Democratic convention, that the State itself has not the power to direct it* delegates Wow t.toy shall east their votes. I know, Mr; President, that m the Republican par tv. a party which believes that Congress and the federal government lias every pewerwhieb is net expressly denied, and that the States have hardly any righto left which the federal government is bound to respect—thpy can adapt in their convention this idea that the State does not control its own delegation in the national convention. Not so m the convention of the great Democratic party. We stand, Mr. President, for the rights of the States. Mr. Power, of Michigan—Mr. President: I movejron that the resolution of Mr. Grady, of Ne.w York, he relegated to the committee on rules for its action. The Chair—The motion is not in order. We have no committee on rules. Mr. Power—When it ia appointed—the eon* mitteo on rules to be hereafter appointed. M\ Cochrane, of New York—Under the ruling of the Chair, I am entitled to the floor. The Chair—A motion has been made to refer this resolution of Mr. Grady, of New York, tothe committee on rulee, for' their aotiooa, when appointed. Mr. Power—Whatever committee will present the rules to the convention; I move that these resolutions be relegated, to that, committee. Mr. Smallay, of Vermont—l rise, Mr, Chairman, to state— Mr. Cochrane—l make a point of order that the gentleman cannot assume there will be a com mi ttee on rules appointed. Title is for the temporary government of the convention. The Chair —The gentleman makes tha motion that these resolutions be referred.to a-committee to-be raised, and the convention: can relegate them to that cummittee or not. as they see fit. It is- nvt for the chair to- determine whether they will or not Hl* motion is that they shall bn referred to such committee as may be raised. Mr. Cochrane—ls that motion open to debate! The Chair proceeded to put the question, which was lost. Mr; (Doelirano then addressed the convention in opposition: to the unit rule; General Chmi. of California, said his delegation had come all the way from California to vote for the great political reformer of the ago. Samuel J. Tildeu. Speaking to the question at issue, he said the delegates from Now York bad boon elected by districts and at large, and-it would he an outrago upon the minority not to permit them to vote according to the wishes of their cenetitnents. In the name of justice, decency, and fair dealing, he nailed upon the con-

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vontion to parmit the district- delegates to vote in accordance with the wishes of those who chose them. Mr. Power, of Michigan, followed in support of Mr. Grady’s motion. C,VRT*K HAKKISOX’Si REMARKS. At the conclusion of Mr. Powers's speech Carter Harrison; of Illinois, took the floor and said: - Mr. Chairman: The question is whether this convention shall make its rules ar not. We are told that the gentlemen from New York —tlie delegates—are instructed to vote as a unit. That: may be true. If they failed to instruct it to vote, then they disobeyed their State; but this convention has nothing to do with that question. It i* for them to turn to their oonstituents and say to them whether they have dona well or not—not for us here. I want harmony. 1 don’t know but when the time comes tho gentleman from New York [Mr. Grady] and I may be wide from each other in whom we should vote for. ft is not a question of candidate*. But. sir. suppose the chairman of the State of Illinois announce-; that it oasts so many votes for one man and so many for another if he has east improperly, have lnot the right to challenge that vote? Tha chairman of the New York delegation will announce, if he clineses, seventy-two votes from New York. But, sir. s man, or a dbreu men. or there may be forty mm. say the oh airman has nut announced correctly. Are we here, on every question, to be compelled te ask whether the State'instructed for the unit rule or not! That is nut for this convention to decide. We make our rules, and our rules should be that every man, when challenging the rote of the chairman, must be heard and must be righted. And, for the sake of harmony, if there be one, two or five voters from a Stato that want to challenge the vote. I don't want a two-thirds rale vote in this State; to have a two-thirds,vote announced a salsa vote. About forty delegates here jumped to their feet, and after considerable effort tha chairman finally succeeded in announcing that Mr. Jacobs, af New York, had. the floor, who saia: I aro oneof the minority of tho New York delegation. As one of the minority I exercise my privilege af voting against the choice of the majority; bnt as a Democrat, as a man loyal to my constituents and obedient to the orders of the convention that sent me here, I hour to the will'of the majority. I recollect very well, sir. that at the Saratoga convention this matter was thoroughly discussed', and' the chairman of the delegation, whom I antagonized there, promised his friends, that there should be no attempt made to instruct this delegation for a particular candidate, and the minority- agreed that we should obey the old rule, the unit rule of the State of New York which gives it power and voice iu th convention. Were I. mr, to consult my personal feelings, I should support tbs motion made by the gentleman from New York, but my dnty to ray party in this emergency compels me to rise superior to personal consideration, and be loyal to my party, and in saying wliat I have— Mr. Grady, of New York—Will the gentleman allow me to interrupt for a moment? Mr. J acoba^—Certainly. Mr. Grady—l simply want to ask the dis tingnished Senator from New York if, in the State convention at Saratoga, there was a single word of debate, discussion or agreement as to the unit rule. Mr. Jacobs—Not a word, beeause everybody agreed to it in advance. At this reply there was a tremendous outbreak of derisive laughter, with some applause from the New York section. Mr. Jacobs, (continuing) And, Mr. Chairman, now that the distinguished Senator has interrupted me. I will say further, that it was understood by tlie friend* of another eandidate than the one chosen by the majority, that if they wouldn't attempt to onforoe the instmettons upon this delegation, that it would be satisfactory to fight the battle out in ita body, and we have done it; we arc beaten; we submit.

As Mr. Jacobs took his seat the square outline of John Kellya face been me vtsibio above the heads of the *Naw York delegation, and n yell rose up from tha house in which could be heard mingled cries of ''Kelly, Kelly; platform, platform.” - ... >, The Chair—The gentleman from New York. Mr. Kelley. The gentleman from New York will proceed. “ . Mr. Kelly, safcfc Mr. Chairman; I am pleased to woe (bat a liberal view i* taken of the amendment offered by the ger.tlo man from New York. The principle involved in this amendment geos to the-very foundation of the Demoorati* party—the right t>> dmfrauehiae the minority of a delegation in the Democratic convention fr >m tlie State of New York. There are 62 comities in the Stato of New York and there are but ten of them Democratic, and by the argument of the senator from the Stato of New York the great Democratic county of Now York, which (teats your Democratic President if an opportunity is given' to them, i* to be disfranchised in a Democratic convention. That is the principle whioh is here and now pnatbntod to this convention. When tlie question itself was before the State convention, it is true, as has been stated here, tha* no discussion took plaee, and it Was with great difficulty that we could i-ersuade and prevail upon the majority of the convention to admit us upon equal term* with those who are opposed to as in the oounty of New York. Having aoeotnpliabed that, and having also pointed out to them the danger of what they were going to do, wo have no other resource, no other opportunity, but to appeal'to a Democratic convention to givw to- the Democratic delegate* from the great Emlre State of New York an opportunity to vote for their choice iu thi* convention. Tho gentlemen say there are no precedent for the position assumed by Mr. Grady. Mv recollection goos back to toe convention of 1844. The very same question catno up in that, convention, and by the wish, the will and the good feeling aud liberality which prevailed among the delegates, it was conceded that no uuui* voice representing a constituency in a Democratic conven ion should tie ignored. I will Hot trouble the convention with a history of Democratic conventions from that day to this, out I hope that thi* convention will take into cModeration this important point which I desire to present to them: Suppose that you disfranchise there Democratic counties to which 1 have made reference, what will be tlie feelings of the constituencies that hove sect'their delegates hereto represent them, in view of the fact that a majority iff tbo delegates rep room ting the State of New York are in a iniaorilv in their own counties? Will our voices, then. represeating majority constituencies be stifled in a Democratic convention? 1 appeal to the good sense', to the liberality, to, the sound judgment and the wisdom of the defoliates, here assembled, to give to the Democratic constituencies the same right which they expoeft tor tlfwasoH-Cs. And having. Mr. Chairman, sid so much; and not desiring to occupy the convention aujr further upon the subject. I have stated to you as dourly a 1 understand, and I hope, as I said before,- that the question will be met with, the liberality which it deserves from a Democratic convention. The Chair—Mr. Fellows, of Now York; has the floor. MR FELLOW*’ REPLY, John R. Fellow*, of New York, said: Mr. Chwh-matf and CJewtlenren of the Convention: My associateaand amajority of tttls defogstioir have requested me to address the eonventfon. tire last words which the State, of New York will have to say, so far as this majority is concerned, npou the* very great and important question, now awaiting yuu* decision. Sir, there has been extraordinary misapprehension of the issue which is involved here, as Indicated by the eloquent address* of the geuttemon from California and others; The question is not that of stifling h voice of or repressing the- sentiment of a delegate from New York, or any delegate on this floor. The question ia u to wketimri the State of New York-has the right to say how th* will of her majority shalT be indicated upon the floor of this convention. New York has something of pride in her greatness. Vast in bet resources, vast in her population, commanding iltrs attitude she occupies in the sisterhood of State*, she desires to erome into a Democratic convention, as she ha* desired t do for.more than forty year*; giving all ot dignity and weight, arid character to her: voire and her sentiment that she possibly can. And she has always Mated, as she states to-day, that she wiff not permit—if the delegates obey her instructions—she will not permit leventv-two separate units to speak Seventr-two conflicting, sentiments and desire* with regard to any iprastfon upon the floor of a Couvreation. SBie renngnirea the Democratic method of iwcertaiain* what her sriflia. Here shall N*w York beknown to the nation. Through her majority or. thretmh her minority? BheJ f w not wish that* any gentleman of tho minority sl?Li foil to tell the convention for what reason* and by virtae of what impulses they differ from that majority; but New York saya-Mlk tbiat ''Demoftmto off the oomrtt y, are you going to deny her the amwrtiiiu of that right?” Sh* oars that wheretfae wiH of tha majority is, aenefttained by Demoerati* methods, she ha* a right to prescribe the form in which that will shall be expressed? to the Nation. That is aft she asks of the convention. My friend from California has assumed tiiot we came here the elect of congressional districts, ssh theory caaftt be. wider es the 6utU Any art-ream* * baaed on such qpremise must necessarily have no relevancy to the real merits of the question involved. We are Kiri here; (Hie products *4 eongroMutaal dirtricta. The vary eminent gentieniaa from New Yuri, recognized as a leader there, heading a powerful Democratic organisation, wflw hat wttreeswf the convention, and myself, represent am She floor of the o vention. so far a* geographical diviaions are concerned. the same eeugmmfoitml district. WHU be-tef! me whatowivoutlon vt waa that gave- hire one aakof instructions, and roe another? Mr. Kelly—My friend from New York. Mr. FWtows. and 1 are-on the best of toms hi the world. YoiK.gßKthnttoii.wtii rcwnllooc tha* nw shook hand 8-over tire bloody uiuuun in Ginoianati. Therefore, in asking, him to permit ine to answer Irbs qnesHcm-, I knew he wretrtef db it; became before Wftmltjoum in this cowventitnt m> expects ths# he mull attain will shako, hand* orot* the bloody chasm. I. will ask the gentleman

this question, and,, before asking the question. If l.cpfHDtlz me, 1 will make an explanation. Will the gentlerann permit me? Mr. Fellows—Certainly. Mr. Kelly—There is a division of the Democnatia party ia the county of NewYork. There are three county organizations, all claiming to be the regular organization of the Democratic party. In the good feeling which prevailed at Saratoga, and' in consideration of the great question which he and I had to meet at the coming presidential election, it was concluded that because he mod I had shaken hands over the bloody cliawn we should ooma hero again to-do tho same thing, and consequently I was put on the tail of the ticket. Mr. Fellows—My friend, Mr. Kelly, has well expresses the cordiality of the relations of a personal character which exist between us, and I must heartily and cordially reciprocate them here. We may differ as to methods, wo may differ as to organization forms, but I say for him, as I say for myself, that we have but one. common end to attain, and that is sliared by every Democratic delegate npou this floor. But his explanation hardly meets my inquiry that was directed to the question as to how lie and I obtained the credentials which permit us to be here at all, either from the same or different congressional districts. Mr. Kelly—l intended to ask a question, but I did not suppose it was necessary to ask it. Now, as he has referred to tho manner in which the delegates were Chosen, I will say that he repre seats ono Democratic party in the city and county of New York, and I represent another Mr. Fellows—One Democratic organization of tha same party. Ma Kelly —Very well: and because we represent different organizations, and as neither of the organizations could chose two, it was consented that he aud I should represent the district. But the great point for the convention to consider is this: This gentleman proposes now to ignore me and not to allow me to vote in the convention at all. Therefore he is willing to vote for ma. and it is against that that I protest to this convention. Mr. Fellows responded as follows:

My friend is quite mistaken. It is quite pos.sibto that dtarins the progress of this conven tion a dozen questions may arise in the NewYork delegation when he will lie one of a very large majority, and I shall be hi the minority. Then he, having his will expressed in the debate in tlie delegation, finds his voice, and that is the point of this contention, throngh and by tile forms prescribed by the State whoso authority wo boar. That is all that there Uof thitfcflueslion. Oentlenien of this convention, we are not sent to ibis convention by congressional districts. The convention at Saratoga appointed a committee to go out and report tlie names of seventy-two nominees to be elected as delegates to tho national convention. When those names were presented the convention of tho State of New York elected ns delegates, and without that action wo u-oiild have had no authority. No gentlemen of the minority here wifi contend for one moment that if the convention had rejected these names, voted them down, that, unv of the names thus presented would have had any business in this convention. It was only the action of the convention of tho State of New York that gave so its delegates any authority here. Now, that brings me to tlie question that my eloquent friend from California seems to liave overlooked. When New York has expressed her will by amajority. how shall that will be indicated to the country at large? Tho State convention said, as it has said when every man in this convention whose hairs are whitened by the flight of t ime -j- they sit before me. were black with the hairs of youth, thutits delegates should vote as a unit when the will of a majority had been ascertained by fair Democratic methods. Now, gentlemen, a word or two farther. What do t-lioy propose to do here? 1 reveal no secrets of our deliberations in tho delegation rooms, because -presently the result of these deliberations is to be indicated by our action, when Isay that after a long conference it was agreed, and such was the sentiment vs all oitr delegation. that, Its will Wing ascertained by a majority, the chnirmui of'onr delegation should arise in his place, and say upon ttie pcading question, ‘‘The Btftte of New York, obeying the instructions laid upon her delegates, obedient to the will of the majority of the delegation, casts seventy-two votes so tmd so.'ani? that result wits arrived at by the following vote, (stating that vote to the convention).'' So. yon see, Mr. Chairman, that ail wer desire here is what onr Stato instructed us to do. to express its sentiment in a certaiu prescribed form. Do not take that right from ns: it is a dear right to the Stato of New York, tihoclaim* tho power inherent in herself, not granted her bv tlie will ot her sister States, but reposed hi her own sirong arms, evolved from her own sense of right, tlie prwlnet of her own judgment. She claims the right to prescribe the methods uiid forms by which her embassadors shall execute her will, lin not undertake to strip her of that ftotteltign right, for I fell you that New York will feel degraded and dishonored by tlie action of this convention if, not ove* i; '.uvUiivn a which ore to bo the object of your entire deliberation. but over questions which refer only to the forms and methods of Her own delegation, you shall undertake! to write her laws instead of permitting her to do it-herself. And apropos of this question and of this discussion, it seams to me that the delegation most have learned something of tlio possible motive which. Hnimulot the contention now through the expression that dropped from the lips of the gentlemen from New York. Mr. Cochrane, when he said that tile rwaaoo they did not oppose the adoption of the unit rale at Saratoga was because they supposed then they had rt majority of the delegation. Mr. Obdiranfl, of New York—Mr. Chairman. 1 would like to auk him a question. I would like to ;isk tho gentleman if ho understood mo to say that that controlled our action, or whether I did not say that we did not feel called upon to oppose ti because nobody knew how the dole gallon stood? Mr. Fellows—Oh ! not at all. Mr. Cochrane—Aud that it was suppressed by the engineers who now give it expression for tho first lime? Mr. Fellows—Not at all. Mr. Chairman. I did not understand Mr. Cochrane to say any-thing-of that sort, Mr. Coi-bruno—l desire to correct that gentleman then. Mr. Fellows—ln what respect? Mr. Cochrane—To correct you as to tlie words which you have placed in my month. Mr, Follows concluded by saying?

I stated tho fact that lis said the reason they did not oppose the. unit rule at Saratoga, w*s because. St thst time, they imugbied that the delegation would standdifferently from what they find it to stand to day, I certuiuly did not understand him to say tbftt-wss what; rnttariicvd their dperatimrs; May the Lord. o£ the Democratic hoot* forbid, of eourse. that any such base or sorbid consideration should have actuated him. Sirs, all is unity, all is harmoaiy, all ia perfect-accord. Mr. Kelly and myself, si'nce we nresented ourselves in the attitude, be the Dswkl and I the Jonathan, before the Democratic hosts of this country aad shook hands, are in tender sympathy with each other, aud I feel it a distinction to shake Itsods with him every- hour tn the day. But I ecmfsNft.ttaifc I have ft brighter hope set before me of better methods and. purer forms when I find through the Ifpr of these gentleman suck eloquent deeniniiatiort es machine methods. Mi. Kelly and Mr. Brady and myself, - aud beyond us she country, understand so well that everything. w> dc ia New York ie a spontaneous outcropping of tha popular will, that the hand of an arbitrary power licit ber controls nor imposes, nor dictates our action, to mako their protestations necessary. Now I come to the question again, in as solemn a form of expression as I can present to you. Let me say for h majority ottMf driegattftn that every giugfo vote the minority may cast wHI he proclaimed upon this floor, and every single expression of individual sentiment they may desire- to utter will be kenrd upon this floor; ?iut New York lias fold tts that we slinfl meet irt delegated form, and twitea vuto upon every question, submitted to us for action, aud that when the majority is faitdy ascertained, that majority represents our Democratic will anlf sentiment, aud sh wants it proeiaiiaod to the Nation, in a oertaiu way. In no defiant spbecli I say this. but in ft spirit of the utmost candor and consider a tion. I say to you, gentlemen of our sister States, with regard to tliia reserved power of control over tha forms and methods of our own delegation, will you, darn yon. utrip btv of ft? The wn m littail. After furtintr discussion, participated in by Messrs. Bragg; of Wisconsin, Burke, of Louisiana, aad others, u vote on the amendment ot Mr. Grady ms wSßredy witit tbe folkmring result! States. Yeas. Nay*. Alabama 15 5 ArkaiisSiV. California i.. 1C Colorado 4, 2 Cvnneolteot S 10 peiiiwiftiLi. ft —. Florid*. 2 6 Georgia..., 12 12 KateHM 1".".... l5 Kentucky. - 20 fi Louisiana. 16 MWne 2 10 Maryland 10 Massachusetts...... 21 7 MioMtpm- - 12 12 :jnwwijp . 7.7.'m ~ Nebraska....... ............... S 5 Nevada 8 New Hampshire 8 New Jeefetp... 14 4 New York ................. NtetM Gtorfto* Iff 12 Ohio ........ *a *L fliftmpr o

States. Yeas. Nays. Pennsylvania 21 3?4 Rhode Island - 8 ■South Carolina 3 14 Tennessee. 17 7 Texas. 12 10 Vermont. ... 8 Virginia <> 18 West Virginia 9 3Wisconsin 5 VT Totals 350 445 At the conclusion of the vote upon the amendment, the original motion for tha adoption of the rules of tho last convention was carried. Committees on credentials, permanent organization and resolutions were thou appointed. The following is the committee on resolutions: Alabama—L. P. Walker. Arkansas—Benjamin F. Duval. California—T. J. Cluaie. Connecticut—A. E. Barr. Florida—P. P. Bishop. Georgia—K. P. Howell. ITI in ms—William P. Morrison. Indiana—G. V. 3tenzies. lowa—S. H. Thayer. Kansas—Thomas P. Fenion. Kentucky—Henry Watterson. Louisiana—E. A. Burke. Maine—David R. Hastings. Maryland—C. ,T. 11. Gwinn. Massachusetts—B. F. Bailor. Michigan—L. E. Tarsney. Minnesota—J. C. Wise. Missouri—W H. Phelps. Nebraska—J. Sterling Morton. Nevada—D. K. McCarthy. New Hampshire—Henry Bingham. New Jersey—James A. McPherson. New York—Abram St Hewitt. North Carolina—.l. S. Carr. Ohio—George la Converse. Pennsylvania—Malcolm Hav. South Carolina—Lerov F. Ymimans. Tennessee—Albert P. McNeil. Texas—D. C. Guiding*. Vermont—James A. Brown. Virginia—P. W. McKennev. , West Virginia—Henry' ti. Davis. Wisconsin—J. G. Jenkins. The ronvention then adjourned until 11 o’clock to-morrow. LAST NIGHT’S WORK. The Supporters of CleveEunil Chaim that Victory I in flight. Chicago, July B.—The night passed very quietly at the hotels, in comparison to the crush and confusion of tho one preceding. The multitude in and about the various hoadquarters was large; still ingress and ogress was possible which was hardly true of the night preceding. The caucusing, however went on as usual, and there was what appeared to be a final rally against tho Cleveland hosts, which claimed to-night that victory was clearly in sight. Numerous and conflicting riunors were floating about, but they all resolved themselves into the fact that it was only the field against Cleveland, with tlie opposition leaders devising plans to consolidate tlie scattering votes for someone as against the Governor of New York. Last night the Bayard boom took on unmistakable proportions, but considerable of his strength deserted him to-day. Then a move was made in the direction of Thurman. It is well known that the Ohio delegation has been divided, and a strong effort was made to night to consolidate its vote Cor Thurman, on a. promise that Massachusetts and a considerable portion of the South and West would rally to his support. It is claimed that a telegram was sent to Governor Heavily asking him not to stand in tho way of Thurman, who uow had an opportunity for a fair race, and Mr. McLean is being urged to the same end. Governor Butler sought out Mr. McLean to night, and had a long- consultation with him, it is supposed to this enck With the exception of Maryland it could not be ascertained that any serious disaffection had occurred in the columns of the .Southern States which had hitherto declared an adherence to the Bayard movement. Maryland decided, by a majority of five, to voto as a unit on the second ballot for Cleveland.

ASOTHEK BONE OF CONTENTION. A Tie Vote Jtetweei* Tariff Reformers and Protectionist*. Chicago, Jnly B.—The committee on platform of the Democratic national convention met in tlie parlor of the Iroquois (Tab to night, at 8:30. thirty-six Members being present. Maloom Hay, Os Pittsburg, was- made temporary chairman. William It. Morrison, of Illinois, was nominated for permanent chairman of the committee on resolutions, by tho tariff reform members, and George L, Converse, of Ohio, by the protection clement A ballot was then token on the nominations, which resulted in 18 votes for Morrison, against 18 votes for Converse. Tins tie voto caused something of a sensation among-tnc members, and another ballot was ordered, which resulted exactly in the sartio way. It being apparent that there was a dead-lock in the committee, it was agreed that the temporary chairman. Mr, Hay, should act as chairman during the formation of the platform, but that when tho work was done the commitmittee should elect a permanent cliairtnan whose duty it will he to present the resolutions to the convention. A chat with a member of the anti-tariff wing elicited the information that the representatives of the States of North Carolina, AlabartMK Mississippi and Missouri had voted for Converse. The tariff people had relied upon these votes, and had expected that with a full committee tlie vote would stand 15 to 21 in favor-of Mr. Morrison. A Notable Lack of Work Dons, Chicago, July B.—The committee on platform remained in session until after midnight. No progress at all was made, as the time was entirely taken up in the reception of various memorials aud. addresses, among them, being one from A M. Sullivan; president of the Irish National League of America, on absentee landlords in the United States. Abram S. Hewitt, of New York, Mr. Morrison, of Illinois, Mr. Butler, of Massachusetts, and Mr. Gwyna. of California, gave notice that they would submit platforms to-morrow for discussion iu the committee. There was no mention of the tariff during to night’s session. The two members of the qorum absent when an organization was effected in the early part of the evening were General Butler and Thomas p. Ffolon. of Kansas. Geaernl Butler made Ms appearaaice later in the evening. The committee adjourned until 10 o’clock to morrow morning/’ THE GrotDKNTIALS COMMITTEE. A Resolution to Admit Territorial Delegations to Full Membership. Chicago, July 8. —The committee on credentials, appointed by tho national aoramittee, met to-night in the rooms of tho Missouri delegation to act upon tlie credentials of the various deleg* tions. A contest iu tho Massachusetts delegation was made in one of the districts and , tho contestants were notified to appear before the committee at an adjourned meeting, to be held in the morning. The resolution introduced in the' convention by Senator Vooriiees, grunting full membership to delegates from the Territories and District of. Columbia, was taken up, and a committee from the Territorial delegations were invited to appear before the committee nfid present their argument gmunol Ward. Os Montana, and: William Dickson an Alik D. Wright, of the District of Columbia, made argument on the rights of tho Territories to representation and a voice rn the selection of national rotors, and the committee unanimously resolved to recommend the passage of the resolution to the national convention, THE IttlSM* UAOCr*. A Very Tired Meeting, in Wtiieh Nothing Was Accomplished. Chicago July B.—’The Illinois delegation met in secret session to-night for the purpose of canvassing the question of presidential preferences, aud at 11:30 ia still ia. session, Cleveland delegates from New York were admitted and allowed to present their casdi though not without protest from several members of the Illinois delegation, who said they knew their minds without

outside iuterference, and wanted to settle their own questions in their own way. There were thirty-one of the. forty-four Illinois members present, with Governor Palmer in the chair. The question at issue was discussed at great length by a number of speakers. Itisimpossible to obtain the gist of all of them. Joseph Mann, ot DaavUie. presented the claims of Joseph McDonald, of Indiana, saying the State would go solid far him. General J. C. Black made a long argument against Cleveland, holding that his claims to consideration, as a reform Governor were not wed founded; that his acts were not dictated in the interests of the common people: that the. sentiment of the people had changed towards him, as shown by the fact that in one year after his election, there was a lose of 213,000 Democratic votes, so that he came to tho present convention as a candidate from a Republican State. Oil the other luunt he had tho assurance that Indiana was solid for McDonald. That gentleman had a record which wonld command the supnort of the people. He had been an attorney for corporations, bat he Had also been an attorney for the masses. One of tha greatest railroad cases for the benefit of the average citizen had been taken npto the .Supreme Court by McDonald. As the hoars progressed, several of the delegates grew tired and left the caucus. One of the leading delegates said to a reporter for the Associated Press: “Several ballots were taken, but: nothing decisive was reached.” Hu declined to state how the delegation stood. The inference is that in the absence of thirteen members of the delegation it was impossible to muster enough votes for any candidate to enforae tho unit rule. After sitting till past midnight the caucus adjourned without reaching a formal docision. The vote on presidtmtial preferences stood —Cleveland, 17; McDonald, 12; Bayard, 2. GENERAL OBSERVATIONS. The New York Ann's Opinion of Justice Field ns a CauiUilate. New York,. July B.r-The Sun. notes that tha Kansas City Times is a stanch supporter of Judge Stephen J. Field, aud wishes to have him nominated for President, and saysr “Judge Field would make an excellent officer, of the highest order. He has the knowledge of public affairs, tho elevation of character, the breadth of intelligence and- the firmness of purpose which aro as essential as they are rare. The country would bo happy indeed if it could have a President half as wiso and as distinguished as Judge Field would be.” hidissa Looking for Second! Place, Chicago. July 8. —The Indiana headquarter*, both at the Palmer and Grand Pacific, were scenes of activity to-night. Indiana-was one es the few State wltich cast her voto solid, thia afternoon, on the unit-rule amendment, her thirty votes being recorded “yea,” in favor of abolishing tlie unit rule. In explanation of this voto tho delegates say the motive of Indiana was to break tho unit rule, so as to weaken Cleveland in his own State and scatter the votes. The Indiana delegation are confident McDonald is growing in strength, but evidences are obtainable that tho delegation are keeping in view tlie second place on the ticket in caso they fail on first place.

Thnrnian's Popularity. Chicago, July B.—Tlio presence of distinguished leaders among the delegates did not appear to be caught'by the crowd, and-there was no applause to mark their arrival. This held true till the familiar figure of Senator Thurman, of Ohio, was discerned, when a cheer arose which swelled into a roar, as the audience came to know the occasion of tlie applauding. While the excitement was at its height a California delegate named M. T. Tompkins, addressing the chairman, who was not yet in his placo, said: “The California dele gation, nftor coining 2,500 miles, catches its first glimpse of paradise in tho person of Alien G. Thurman, of Ohio.” That Alleged Telegram to Hoadly. Chicago, July &—John R. McLean, editor of the Cincinnati Enquirer, in an interview to-night, denied the truth of the story in circulation that a telegram had been sent by tho Ohio men to Governor Hoadly saying his candidacy stood in the way of a very favorable opportunity for Thurman, and asserts that if any such telegram was sent it was fraudulent and entirely without authority. Tlie Permanent Organization. Chicago, July 8 —The committee on permanent organization met this evening, and decided to recommend to the convention tho name of Colonel W. F. Vilas, of Wisconsin, for permanent chairman, and that the remaining officers of the temporary organization be made poring, tient. Distinguished rip relators. Chicago, July 8,-^Among the United State* senators present, either ass delegates, alternates, or simple spectators, were: Messrs. Hampton, Vance, Beck, Williams, McPherson, Gorman, Farley, Voorlioos, Pendleton, Jones of Florida, Ransom. Lamarr, Jonas; Call and Harris. NEWS PAPER 0088*1’. (teas Atumlts ns the Private Character at Governor Cleveland, Saerial to Cirichnnytt Enquirer. Gross assaults are made here on Cleveland's private character, and it now seems'that Mr. Purcell, of the Roohester Union, has been printing these attacks for over a week. The Western delegates first heard with incredulity, next with surprise, and now with some confusion, charges that Cleveland has a mistress of long standing in the little town called Holland Patent, where his mother died, and that he has more than one child by her —these children unrecognized. As the Btory spreads and is little denied by some of Cleveland’s men, and only half denied by others, the idea arises that Blaine’s efforts in behalf of a legitimate family make a small scandal compared to this. It seems that Cleveland's own friends incautiously told this story first, supposing that the Western and Southern delegate* had beard the titles from Rochester. However, this tale has hardly begun to> make' the circuit Os the convention. The Chicago Tribune put it in to Sunday. Avery prominent Cleveland man from New England asked me what there was in this story. 1 said it was Dews to me. Said he: “if it is believed here it will be the final blow to Cleveland. He has b*en put up an the man who will draw *ll the moral.reformer* to him, and certainly a man with a family ot illegitimate children un. recognized behind him, while be rules the most important State in the Union, is a terrible thing to go into a campaign with.” Others Say that in the rank and file ot the Democracy tins' story, if true, will lioip Cleveland' rather than hurt him—nobody believes man of hi* age has been a saint, etc. It is very apparent that fine moral distinctions are getting to bo ttßpoptilar in national conventions. From Indiana similar yarns are told about the McDonalds—some of them of a Very serious nature. But the respectability of that delegation denounces all insinuations- It ia Said that the Cathodic priests not be allowed to assist a man in marrying a divorced woman. An All-Way Circus. Chicago Tribune. It was a regular circus all day long. Big show, admittance free, at tho Palmer House mid Pacific; grand piticossian tvrth blaring brass bunds nud knights in modern armor parading tho streets. Tlie gorgeous uniform of the Tammany band was regarded by the simplo native* with awe struck admiration. It glittered and ditzzled like a tinseled regiment in rondo opera. It could knock it whitewashed elephant with plate-glass jewelry out in one round, tt far outstripped anything this city could produce—the comparison would be as Jay-B\‘e-Seo to a *art-horso. The bands were numerous; some ia simple gray and blue: seme in more elaborate dress of ted and yellow-, but for genuine Baniunt