Decatur Democrat, Volume 43, Number 30, Decatur, Adams County, 5 October 1899 — Page 1

ALL the news ALL THE TIME,

VOLUME XLIII.

The annual conference of the Mennonite church is being held at Berne ♦his week for what is known as the middle district. A large attendanc is reported. Mrs. Sarah McConnehey died at her home east of the city Sunday, aced seveuty-seven years. Funeral services were'held at Alpha church Tuesday, Rev. R. C. Jones officiating. John Scliumacher, better known about town as “Chinie,” was taken to Plainfield, Indiana, Monday morning, where he will be entered as an inmate of the Bovs Reformatory. All kinds of weather imaginable is prophecised by the wise men who study the stars, for this month. Sudden changes from heat to cold and from thunder showers to hail and snowstorms are on the slate. Four distinct storm periods will ensue, the month closing with a regular northwestern blizzard and snow storm, which will make us all hunt up our winter stock of clothing, if such a thing be possible. Marshal Hart captured four tourists near the G. R. & I- railway Monday evening, one of whom Jacob Schlegel, is well known to our citizens. Two of the others were of as dark complexion as you could find in a tour of the united south. They asked for an immediate hearing which was given them. Schlegel was released and the other three were sent to jail for three weeks. These are the first visitors of their kind seen about the city for some time This morning the official robe of recorder of Adams county was transferred from the shoulders of Harvey H. Harruff to Tom M. Galloghy, who for the next four years will act in the capacity of recorder. He comes into office with a knowledge of his duties and how to perform them, and has a surplus of friends who wish him all kinds of success in this as well as anything he may undertake. Recorder Harruff retires from office with a knowlege that he performed well the mission given him. He has been a good official and was courteous in his treatment of all who called upon him. He retires from offices with the well wishes of the public. Here is success to both the ins and outs. Quite a little excitement was caused Monday afternoon by the team of western horses belonging to Dibble & Meibers trying to break loose from the baggage wagon to which they were being driven. The team was standing in front of the Burt house, when one of them kicked over the double tree. This frightened them and they tore up Monroe street as only cow boy horses can do. Frank Dibble was driving them and displayed his skill at horsemanship by turning south on Second street and stopping them within a square. Frank became entangled in the lines and for a while appearances were against his escaping without injury, but he did. A new doubletree was secured and the horses continued to do duty to the baggage wagon. The circuit court is busy dealing out justice in a damage suit in which Frank Snyder is plaintiff and Daniel Beeler is defendant. The parties both live in Jefferson township, and this suit grows out of some bad blood that displayed itself some time ago. At that time Beeler charged Snyder with eommiting rape on the six years old daughter of the former, but it later was dismissed from court. Now Snyder comes forward and demands 85,000 damages from Beeler for slander. The case is being hotly contested. Lawyers Lutz & Snow, R. K. Erwin and D. B. Ford being interested for the plaintiff, while France & Son, D. E. Smith, F. M. Cottrell and J. C. Moran are representing the defendant. Many witnesses are present and the case promises to be a highly interesting one.

George Krick, son of our well known citizen, Henry Krick, met with an unfortunate accident last Friday evening, which will keep him confined to the house for several months. George is employed in the tile and brick factory of Krick & Tyndall and for several weeks that concern has been runnihg a few hours after supper. On Friday evening George was the first one to return, and in walking about in the factory he stepped into the elevator shaft, which he supposed to be closed. He fell a distance of four feet, striking his right leg against the side of the shaft. Both bones of the limb were broken square off about half way between the Knee and ankle, making it a painful and dangerous wound. At the time of the accident there was no one within hailing distance and George displayed a wonderful amount of nerve and endurance by crawling a distance of 100 feet up a flight of stairs to the office, where heexpected to telephone for assistance. Just as he arrived at the office, however, JonasTritch and Arthur Suttles, two young men who are also employed at the factory, came upon the scene. Help was secured and he was removed to his home and Drs. Thomas and Miller called, who attended the injured limb. He complained con siderably of his back and it was feared he was injured internally, but that pain was probably caused by a slight strain. He is reported resting as easily as could be expected under the circumstances and it is hoped his recovery may be as speedy as possible.

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The Bluffton law firm of George A Mann and D. C. R. Kocher have dissolved and will leave Bluffton. The former returns to Montpelier while the latter will try his fortune at Joplin, Mo. A Washington Daily Times received at this office gives a full account of the wedding of George L. Maddy and Miss Josephine Congleton, which occurred in this city several weeks ago. The article is headed “An Indiana man who had to hurry to Washington,” and under the skillfull hands of the Times reporter makes an interesting and thrilling romance.

Cards are out this week announcing the marriage of Miss Amelia Anna Omlor to Bernard C. Beckmeyer, to occur Wednesday morning, October 18,1899, at seven o’clock. The wedding will be held at the St. Marys Catholic church in this city and a dinner will be served to a number of invited guests at the residence of the bride’s parents, Mr. and Mrs. John Olmor, north of the city, at 11:30. Both contracting parties are well known in this city and vicinity and they have the best wishes of their large circle of acquaintances. Clerk-elect Johnson yesterday filed his bond as clerk of the Adams circuit court. The bond calls in amount for 810,000, and as signed is worth several hundred times the face of the bond. As approved it bears the signatures of ten of Adams county’s gilt edged citizens, they being Geo. M. Haefling, retired farmer and member of the city council; J. F. Snow, the junior member of the law firm of Lutz & Snow; J. M.Frisinger, exporter of fine horses; J. H. Voglewede, shoe merchant; Lewis H. Boknecht and John P. Spuller, prominent farmers of Union and Root townships; George B. Cline, retired farmer; H. H. Bremereamp, owner of the Fornax flouring mills; C. A. Dugan and E. X. Ehinger, bankers. The bond is a good one and the new clerk will assume the duties of his office some time the first of next month. His deputy will be the clever and genial James Haefling, who has been in the office for several weeks. The commissioners while in session this week appointed Henry Miller, C. A. Neuenschwander and Perry Andrews as viewers upon a highway petitioned for by Harry A. Grove. License to retail intoxicants was granted to Fred J. Hill. Upon the ditch petitition of E. S. Kinney; the viewers appointed are John Noll, .J. M. Willey and James W. Barr. The contracts for papering the offices in the court house and the varnishing and painting of the wood work in the offices and corridors was given to Lewis H. Corbin upon his bid of $387. A. J. Porter was appointed a viewer upon the Fred Heffner ditch, in place of A. J. Sipe who could not serve. The reviewers report on the 11. T. Diehl ditch was approved and the ditch ordered constructed. The remonstrators on *he J. J. Roth ditch prayed for an appeal to the circuit court which was granted. The same entry is made on the A. R. Bell ditch. The L. R. Blossom ditch was ordered constructed after the approval of the viewer’s report. The bond of Elmer Johnson as clerk of the Adams circuit court, Was filed and approved. Upon the statement of Trustee Fruchte, Contractor Haugh and his bondsmen were notified to proceed at once with the construction of a bridge at Friedheim or the same will be done at their expense. The board have finished the business for the October term and adjourned until the first Monday in November. A special session of the city council was called bv Mayor Beatty Saturday evening. The roll call showed all the I councilmen present. A resolution was presented to create the office of citv attorney and was passed by a unanimous vote. It was ordered that the council proceed to elect said officer and the names of L. C. DeA oss and James T. Merryman were presented. The vote was called, De Voss receiving two votes and Merryman four, and the latter was accordingly declared elected. The resolution to create the office was as follows: Whereas, In the opinion of the common council ot the citv of Decatur, Indiana, it is deemed expedient that the city of Decatur should have an attorney to advise the council of said city upon legal propositions which may in the future come before the said eouncd, and to represent the said city in actions which may now or borealter be pending against the clt * therefore, be it Resolved, That the common council, in accordance, with the discretion vested in it by the statutes of the State of Indiana ’ ceed to elect a city attorney for said citv. Resolved further, that the salary of the said attorney be and the same is hereby fixed at the sum of two hundred dollars to be in full for all services rendered by the said attorney for the said city A propose th a Chicago & Erie Railway tIOU lav water lines through tte citv of Decatur on the south side of the said railway was granted aii referred to the committee on street and alleys with instructions to contract to leave said work in proper Council rijoumed until Tuesday evening.

DECATUR, INDIANA, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 5, 1899.

Superintendent Graber and wife, of the county infirmary, are attending the annual convention of the State Board of Charities at Lafayette, Indiana, this week, having left for that place Tuesday. In response to a telegram received Saturday, Mr. Bernard Adlesberger went to Huntington Monday as a witness in the McGaughey murder case. The poison used by the murderer was purchased at the Walters’ Pharmacy in the presence of Mr. Adelsperger, was at the time in the employ of Mr Walters. James 11. Ward, an old resident of Peterson, was a genial and substantial caller at this office Tuesday evening. Mr. Ward first subscribed for the Decatur Eagle in 1864, which paper he took until it submerged into The Democrat and he has been a constant reader of that weekly ever since. Mr. Ward is a pleasant old gentleman and his calls are always welcome ones. Ed Berling, the young son of Gar-1 rett Berling, the well known poultry merchant, was quite badly hurt while playing foot ball on the play grounds at the Catholic schools Friday morning. The game was a popular one with the boys of the school and nearly all engaged in it. On the morning mentioned the game was on as usual and in one of the grand rushes Ed, in some manner, got beneath the boys and when extricated he was found to be badly injured, his right collarbone being broken in several places. Dr. J. S. Boyers dressed the wound and Ed will be able to return to school shortly. As a consequence of the accident, the game has been stopped at the school. “Queen Esther,” a cantata which is certainly a musical treat, was given by a home talent company at the opera house last Friday evening, under the auspices of the Ladies’ Aid Society of the Presbyterian church. The entertainment was under the direction of Wilder A. Rice and was an enjoyable success. Quite a large crowd was present and all speak in the highest terms of the performance. Sixty adult singers and sixty young misses formed the choruses, while the principal parts were taken by the most talented singers of the city. Mrs. Jessie Townsend as Queen Esther, was simply excellent, while each and every one who assisted did their parts splendidly. The church realized quite a neat sum from the affair and . all who attended were more than satisfied. Frysinger & Gerber are certainly among America’s greatest horse dealers, and according to the volume of business done by them, it is little wonder they are known on both sides of the Atlantic. Investigation of their affairs this week show that during the past eleven months the volume of business transacted between this enterprising firm and the Decatur National Bank amounts to $208,000, not a small sum of deposits for one firm. Frysinger & Gerber have during that time made thirty shipments of horses from this county to Germany, only this exporting to foreign markets being considered in the total amount named above. The large business not only speaks well for the firm, but goes a long ways towards proving that the Decatur National is a substantial and firm banking house and the daily deposits will rank far above the average. The shipment of horses from Adams county has been for several years one of our leading enterprises, and none have been more successful than the above named firm. A disastrous fire occurred in the city last Thursday night, and in consequence the handsome home of Herbert Pennington in the south part of the city was burned to the ground. The entire family was away from home, Mr. and Mrs. Pennington being at Bluffton, the older children were attending a dance at Meibers s hall ciod several smaller children had been taken to the home of Will Pennington, early in the evening. It was about eleven o’clock when flames were seen coming from the roof by a pass-er-by. The neighbors were at once aroused, and an alarm sent in, but nothing could be saved. It is thought the fire originated from a lamp in the kitchen, and had no doubt been burning some time before breaking out. Not a piece of household furniture was saved as it was utterly impossible to enter the building when help arrived. Neighbors who were aroused supposed that the children were in the house, and the feelings of the first arrivals were certainly agonizing, believing as they did that the lives of four little ones were being destroyed by the demon and without their being able to offer any assistance. It was soon discovered, however, that the children were not in the house, and the relief felt by those present could easily be read upon the faces of everyone. The house, which was a large two story building containing nine rooms, had just been completed during the summer, and the loss is a severe one to Mr. Pennington and famil v. The house, proper, was in a loan association, and was insured for SiOO, the additions recently built were insured for $250 and the contents for $250, making a total of S9OO. all in the German of Freeport company.

Allen B. Porter left Monday morning for Indianapolis, where he will enter the law department of the U. of I. Allen is one of Decatur’s brightest students and his success in college is an assured thing. Bishop Rademacher, of the Catholic 1 diocese of Ft. Wayne, returned to Ft. Wayne from Chicago, Wednesday. His long sojurn in the Chicago hospital has restored him to health in body and mind, and it is believed that after a brief period of rest he will be in condition to resume his duties at the head of the diocese. A team of horses belonging to N. Mentzer became frightened while standing near the Decatur Egg Case company Tuesday evening and ran away. They ran down Adams street, thence north to Monroe street where they dashed into a rig belonging to George Ponne, who lives east of the city. One of Ponne’s horses was injured quite badly by being struck on the shoulder by the tongue of Mentzer’s wagon and it is quite doubful if the animal will recover. Fred Mayer, the youngest member of the Democrat force of workmen, was fifteen years old last Friday, and in honor of the occasion he was surprised by fifteen young ladies and gentlemen of his acquaintance. The surprise was complete in every sense i of the word, and the evening was , one of pleasure aud enjoyment to all. Games and other amusements assisted in making Fred remember that he will never be fifteen again, although each and every guest hope he may have many more surprises just as ; pleasant. Those present were Leota Houser, Grace Reed, Inez Ernst, Goldie Gay, Iva Teeple, Leota Gilpen, ’ Alma Lankenau and Carl and Frank 1 Ernst, Arthur Ford, James Parr, ‘ Harry Reed, Dallas Hunsieker and ’ Dick Blossom. Fred was the reeip--1 ient of a number of presents. s Mrs. Rachel Shaw died at her home j on Ninth street, Friday morning at ten , o’clock. For nearly a year she had , been a sufferer of consumption and although at times hopes were enter- , tained for her recovery, for several j months, it was known that the end j was drawing near. She was a member of the Methodist church aud Rev. ’ Daniels conducted the services from i that place of worship Sunday after- , noon and the body was interred at , Maplewood cemetery. In speaking of i her life Rev Daniels said: “Rachel Shaw was born in Adams county, Indiana, at her home in Decatur, Nov. 6, 1855, ' died, after an illness lasting two years, ■ Sept. 29, 1899, aged 44 years, 10 months and 23 days. On May 7, 1874 > she was united in marriage to Albert > Shaw, who has sustained in the death E of his beloved wife a very great loss. Life to him is changed and the home is broken. To these parents 1 were born thirteen children, of whom ■ four sons and one daughter survive. > The great sorrow of the loss of a mother can only be known by those : who have thus been called to mourn. ’ The deceased also leaves five brothers i and one sister to mourn her departure.” The Adams circuit court records the . following court action during the past week: John R. Porter was called to J fill the regular panel of petit jurors. I Dehner Douglas vs Samuel Douglas, , plaintiff files a complaint to have de- ‘ fendant declared of unsound mind, . and the court orders a summons is- ’ sued. Old Adams county bank vs Dary E. Luckey,plaitiff filed demurrer to cross-complaint. Henry McLean vs Catharine McLean, prosecuting attorney ruled to answer. Clayton > Williams vs Frank Kelley, et al, ■ plaintiff files a reply to separate ans- ■ wer. Mary E. Huffman vs Aaron C. f Huffman, restraining order modified, allowing plaintiff to sell fifty bushels i of oats. Mary A. Lusch, et al vs Jas. , F. Poole, et al. continued until Oct. ; 27. State vs Cyrus W. Lyons, trial by jury and a verdict of guilty of 1 assault and a fine of one dollar returned bv them into open court, James > B. Ward vs Olive Ward, set for trial. i Riley R. Bradford vs Finley Kelley, et al, as commissioner J. W. Teeple i makes a report and is discharged. State vs Charles E. Everett, state ruled to reply to second paragraph of > defendant’s answer. Elsie Stacy vs Douglass Dudgeon, postponed at the cost of the defeudent. Elnora Foughi ty vs Wm. Foughty, dismissed and , costs paid. Isaac Robison vs Dan P. Bolds, the motion for special judge sustained by the court, and A. E. Huffman, of Grant county, was appoint- , ed as special judge to try this case. Henry Bair vs Knickerbocker Oil Co. ’ is also assigned to A. E. Huffman for trial. Joseph Hower vs Grand Rapids & Indiana railroad, defendant ruled to answer. State vs John W. i Schumacher, defendant committed to the Indiana Reform School for boys. George Drake vs Ruth Drake, et al, cross-complaint filed. The Aultman > Miller Co.vs Oliver N. Snellen, motion , granted to amend paragraph of complaint. Louise Bradley by next friend vs David E. Studebaker, motion filed to have next friend removed. Daniel i Railing vs Mary Brown, et al, motion , to make Carl Lacy Brewing Co. a • partv is sustained. Anna N olmer vs ■ Henry Volmer, summons issued for t defendant. Jane Hendricks vs William G. Spencer, summons issued.

* Charles Carpenter and wife, of Preble, returned from Kendallville last week where they had been called by the serious illness of an aunt. While there a brother of Mrs. Carpeni ter died, thus saddening their visit. ' Mr. Carpenter is an employee of the : Standard Oil company. As mentioned in the Democrat several weeks ago Postmaster P. L. Andrews and his assistants are this month weighing all mail handled by the Decatur office, a record of which is kept and which must be forwarded to the department at Washington. This will be kept up during the entire month at the end of which time, it is supposed a fair average can be ascertained. The job is no small one. and one which postmasters will probably not relish very much. The eleventh annual Hart reunion was held at the beautiful country residence of William Hart, in Union township, last Thursday, and the day is said to have been a delightful one from every point of view. Over 250 people were present, among them being two members of the Hart family from the Black Hills. Dakota, who were present f or the first time, aud who made the trip for the purpose of attending this meeting. A splendid time was had during the entire day, an interesting program, consisting of songs and recitations being rendered during the afternoon. These reunions are probably the most largely attended of any in the county, and are anxiously looked forward to by those who attend. The meeting for 1900 will beheld at the home of George Hostappels, in Allen county. David Long, of Ceylon, and one of the best known residents of Southern Adams county, met a violent death at Geneva last Thursday evening. He had teen attending the Jay county fair and had just returned. The train did not stop at Ceylon and Mr. Long got off at Geneva, expecting to walk down the track to the Geneva and Decatur road and thence along that thoroughfare to his home. He had gone but a short distance, however, when an extra engine and tender, which had arrived just after the passenger train, backed down upon him. Being hard of hearing, Mr. Long did not notice the impending danger, and ’ere he was aware was dashed into eternity. He was terribly mangled and was scarcely recognizeable. His head was crushed and one leg ground completely off aud scarcely a bone in his body remained unbroken. Noone witnessed the accident, but his remains were found shortly afterwards by John Smith and Harry Brown, who were also on their way home. He was taken to the Clark undertaking office at Geneva and County Coroner Clark summoned. David H. Long was seventy-nine years old and was considered quite wealthy. He leaves four children and a large number of other relatives and friends to mourn their loss. The funeral services were held Sunday afternoon and were largely attended. Through the kindness of Howard W. Shackley we are this week permitted to publish the following article from the Pawnee, (Nebraska,) Republican, telling of the boundless success of Hiram W. Shackley, a former leading citizen of Decatur: “Our reporter took a day off last week for the purpose of inspecting the stone arch under course of construction on Lower Broadway, east of the Exchange hotel, and found that surprising progress had teen made in the two weeks during which active operations had been under way. The foundation is already prepared and a portion of the walls are rapidly climbing to the point of curvature. Stone of the very test quality is being used, and the fact that Hiram \V. Shackley, of this city, has the contract assures us that the workmanship will be highly satisfactory. In contemplating the actual condition of things—the depth of the draw, its treacherous nature, etc., we were impressed with the magnitude of the undertaking. When completed it will be eighty feet Jong, twelve feet wide, and have an extreme height of seventeen feet. A similar arch will be placed over the same draw at its intersection of South Broadway, near the Second W. P. church. In an in- ' terview the other day, Mr. Shackley informed us that both contracts would be completed at the stipulated time, November 10. “Shack” has teen in the contract business for fifteen years, and has an inter-state reputation as an expert jin stone masonary, and has many an enduring monument of his skill’ not only in Nebraska, but in Missouri, Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma. He has done over SIOO,OOO worth of work for the Rock Island company alone, and is by them considered as authority qn arch and butress construction. The stone arch west of the depot, this city, and the one over the Nemaha river, near DuBois, were both constructed under supervision of Mr. Shackley. He has also placed the foundations for some of the largest buildings in this and other cities, notable among which is the Pawnee Roller Mills, lately erected. Persons taking an interest in public improvements and appreciating skillful and substantial work will secure satisfaction by visiting the new culvert on Lower Broadway.

CIRCULATION

2700 WEEKLY

NUMBER 30

A new cash carrier system has teen added to the large dry goods and grocery store of Niblick & Company. The system is known as the Lamson and is complete in every detail, the lines running from every department on both the first and second floors. This firm are among Decatur’s leaders and are always strictly up-to-date. Their display windows are very attractive this week and deserve your attention. The balloon ascension and parachute drop by the famous aeronaut, Miss Mabel Davenport, of Hudson, Mich., was given last Saturday afternoon just as advertised, and was one of the best ascensions ever seen here. The balloon was started from the vacant lot just opposite the jail and soared in about a perpindicular direction for a distance of about 2,000 feet. Prof. William Hannan, for whom the feat was performed as a benefit, was present and fired the salute for the lady to cut loose with the parachute. The drop was a “beauty.” the mammouth umbrella wavering its course with the wind and alighting on the west bank of the river just south of the C. & E.railway. The entire performance was a success and was enjoyed by all who witnessed it. About twenty-five dollars was realized br Mr. Hannan. The regular meeting of the city council met Tuesday evening, Mayor Beatty presiding and Suttles, Miller, Haefling. Mann. Chronister and Niblick present. Minutes of the Septem ter 23 and 30th meetings were read and duly approved, after which the following grist of bills were presented and allowed: Jas. K. Niblick $1.05, Clover Leaf railway $3.64, Jas. K. Niblick $5.40, David Werling S4B, Wm. Roop $2. Mike Englehart $4.40, G. R. &I. railway 90c, Adams Express Co. 60c. Lorenzo Entzminger sl. W. J. Archbold $4, J. A. Brown $4.50, Ft. Wayne Electric Co. $43.76. Electric Appliance Co. $4.93, Miller Manufacturing Co. sls, Henry Mayer 80c, Thos. A. Baker $6.75, Thos. Buckmaster 75c, Jos. Mallonee sl, J. K. Mann $25.05, James Touhey $6, Wm. Geary $5, Geo. Oswalt $1.13, W. H. Ward $9. Wells, Fargo Express Co. 80c, E. Fritzinger $24.03, M. A. Jackson $lO, Geo. Kinzle $45, Thos. Heafling S3O M. J. Mylott SSO, J. J. Glutting $6, C. N. Dorwin S4O, M. A. Jackson S4O. The report of the fire committee was read and upon motion by Miller was approved. A resolution was then presented instructing Mayor Beatty to have orders issued to pay for water meters as per contract. Upon motion the resolution was adopted by a complete vote. The finance committee presented a receipt from the city treasurer showing a temporary loan of $6,000. The petition of J. S. Coverdale to have tax remitted on his dog was referred to the judiciary committee. Council adjourned.

The waterworks and electric light stations are not very congenial places right now, owing to the shutting off of the supply of gas, thus compelling the employes there to hustle wood to keep a proper heat under the boilers. The change went into force and effect the first day cf this month aud really before the city officials realized what had happened. Notification was made the city by the gas company several weeks' ago, but no meeting of the council being had during that time, they knew nothing of it until the thing happened. The Democrat interviewed Manager Bowers of the gas company and he sets out his side of the case by stating that the supply of natural gas is without question short and that theonly wav tb?y OOUld protect their large volume of consumers was by shutting off all the factories and other institutions which consumed a large amount of gas. In carrying into effect this order of things the waterworks and electric light stations, the stone quarries, Eagle Manufacturing company and the tile factory of Krick A Tyndall had teen turned off the lines and would not be supplied with the fuel during any of the cold period which is fast approaching. He states that all these factories simply drain the lines and reduce the pressure until private consumers do not get sufficient gas to supply their needs. On the other hand Councilman Niblick says the city was shut off simply because the council would not permit the gas company to raise their rates, lhe contract under which they have teen using the fuel was made some four oi five years ago. He also states that they were cut off rather unceremoniously, that while notice was perhaps served upon them, yet it failed to reach them until the gas had teen shutoff. He also stated that it was uncertain as to what course or policy the city would pursue, as the gas company are repairing the machinery for their field pumping station, and after that is completed a decision will be reached as to the course to be taken by the city. He intimated, however, that if nothing but a fight would do, the city would give the gas company some of its own medicine. In this connection we will say that there is some talk of compelling the gas com panp to pay a tax or license upon their pipe lines throughout the city. But as yet nothing definite is known as to what the citv proposes to do, and we will withold our comment until something more tangible is known.