Western Sun, Volume 2, Number 11, Vincennes, Knox County, 11 February 1809 — Page 2

IWalvrJ, further that the next general cleAion fur members to reprefont the feve. ral counties in the general atTembly the free holders an J other by law authorifod, (hall elect one reprcfentative for every 500 free m tie inhabitants of full age which the fait!

refn-Aire counties Hull be found to con-

tain on the taking of fuch fen fits. The prefiJent luring tigncd the laft men

tioned aAt, they were delivered to the committee for enrolled bill to be laid before the govemar. Mr. Bond from the committee for en. rolled bills, reported tht they had hid the laft mentioned a As before the governor. Tiie a A making appropriations for the enfjiH? year was read the Id time, when mr. Fiflier moved to amend the fame by adding the following between the 5th 8c th lines to the attorney general 100 dollars for the enfuing year which p3ffod in the pfKnimivr on motion, ordered that the rule be difpenfod with, and that the fame he read a 3d time to day, whereupon the fame was read and palled as amended -or

dered that the clerk inform the haute of

representatives thereof, and defire their con cunenre therein, A m-tVie from the houte of reprefenta tives hr mr. Tones, their clerk.

Mr. President, I am direAed by the

houfc of teprefontativrs to inform the coun

til. tint they concur iu the amendment nnde tothr a A m iking appropri itions for the enfuing year, and then he withdrew. A mclTcgr from the houfo. of reprefentatives hy mr. Jones, their clerk. Mr. Prefilent, I am direAed by the houfo of reprefentatives to inform the council that they concur in the reftitutiotis ref-p-Ain fugitives from juftice, and then he withdrew. (Ty b: continued, J

1 fpeak from experience, and any perfon

that knows any thing about it, knows it to be fo. You are theretorc uratYaken in the fact ; and you are alfo miitaken in the

principle. The price of labour is regulated by the demand lor it ; and the extent of the de-

mand depends upon two circumflanccs firli. the number of hands that compete for

employment; and lecondly, the market tor

the produce ot their labour. Suppofe the

demand for wheat, tobacco, &c. to be very-

great; and the number of labourers to be

procured very fmall the price of their la

bour would of courfe be enhanced ; but

fuppofe we had no market for our produce, and labourers were numerous - their wages would fcarcely be a vroat a day. Like wa

ter forking its level, thefe things regulate

themfolves. Rut we have a market tor all the furplus produce that can be raifod ;

and whillt thatexifts, whatever may be the number of Haves or day labourers, the price

ot labour will be nearly the fame. But admitting that we had a vsft popu

lation of labouring poor, and who in the fervice of the wealthy, performed all the menial offices of flaves, as is the cafe in fome of the eaftern H ues, would that be a

reafon why we fhould not procure furh a

number of h inds as to reduce the price of

labour, or difpenfo with hired labour alto gether f A fpinning machine has been in

vented, the price of which does not exeeed

35 dollars, with which a child of 6 or 7 years of aire can fpin as much as 16 or 18

women, with the ordinary fpinning wheels.

I fuppofe you will prohibit the introduAion

into the territory of this valuable machine,

left it (Mould deprive 16 or 18 poor old wo

men of employment, and mud therefore be

ftrongly tmAured with federalifm and arif

tocracy ! and I fuppofe you wijl abolifli the ;

Sir, you, together with others, who are vH olently oppofod to the further introduAion of ftives, have blacks in your employ, whe-

her for life or years, I know not, nor do I

care You h ve faid that the 1 purchafers' of fhves 4 are acceiTories to the firll impor

ters, who were thieves.' In what a pitia

ble condition have you placed yourtelt and friends ? Sir, according to your rule, you,

and fome of your worthy compeers, have

been the receivers of the dekendants ot

fome poor ftolen African, yes, you and

they are fattening on the remnants of theft,

you have added cruelty to difpotifm,'

in countenancing the 'netartous policy,

and fir, will you blufter about religion, mo

rality, and repubhcanifm, when at this nio ment you are fteep'd to the eyes, and recei

ring the fruits of the very guilt, with which

you to liberally charge your opponents

and what fays the fapient citizen, upon the confiftency of acts and professions? Sir, difoharge your blacks from your kitchen, and let other worthy gentlemen follow the example, before you venture again to lifp our want of moral and political reAitudeat prefent it will not do, and I too will cry uYnne yes fir, it is a burning fhame.' If I have miftited you, or drawn an inference which is not plainly to be deduced from your piece, it was not intentional. I neither wi(h to mifreprefent, or to be mifreprefented. The queltion refpeAing the further introduAion of (lives, is arknowledged to br an important one ; hut can you re.perufe your piece and candid?) affert, that you have either done your fo If, or your opponents, as men and thriftians, juftice ? It is not every man that oys, Lord, Lord, who fhall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Look again into yourfeif and your piece. Sir, you will find much to anient. Mete to us the famr iuftite,

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FOR THE IKES TERM SUA. To G. W. JOHNSTON, Esq. Stx,'

THE examination of the conduA of

a pubiick offic er, and the principles and pretenfi ins of a candidate, is not lefs a right, tlii it is the duty of every citizen ; but it fhiuli b? done with fnrtirfs and candor ; and p;rfonal imputations fhould not be fir'.'htuted for faA or argument thus im-pit-(V d, I thull proceed. I approve the plan of a candidate's pub liih'n in writing, his principles ?nd views, in regard to the admmiftr a tion of the government, g-nerally ; we then percive his tafenu ? a writer, his knowledge as a granite ! i . 1 1 ' 1; anting s a fc hohr h fi;dl as a logics..;. !-,c vi.-A s as an C3 on Vdt, hn pi in-cU'fosa-: n Mtn in, So. hut I c or.ld wilh you h . ig'.vm usyout .minion refpeAing the d !i u isf ihf t-rr tory, the embargo, k our I'htnM with France and England, they we matters of vail imp irtain e ; and I am furprif-J that the fipirnt tititen hdd not tcuu hr i uj m t!i-m. However, the ti;nes arr not o-i'y critical, but alarming, and it brh ne us that we confide authority to no

nun wh ;f oriinivins are not dillinAlv and;

ac enrtt lv k'.ow i. S:r, the p ir nuu he much indebted to yrn ( n i-m niug their chunp'oti ; yon mufl ne the fiind of us all ; for aiide from four or five p-j'ons. th-re is not a wealthy mn in -b- c r. jnty. We are all poor, and it nr ire to or ryul tt-d by your principles oi ditic l f-'on,miy. we Hull renm:; fo to the en i .f li n,. S fr I c u under O i:i ly u. y v.i nJrvor t;i fbte, tint the i;rro !n :.n of thvr i, won! 1 rrdur.e the pr:t if l o;nr, Mi l t 1 -r y i.iju"r th la

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art of printing, as it has been eminently you expcA vourfelf. I never owned

difadvantagcous to fcriveners and tranferi-'flave for life or years ; and it is doubtful

bers ! Sir, your ideas are at war with er

ery invention and improvement of the prefont, or any pafi age. As to your fecond pofition the way in which you fiate it, m ikes perfoA nonfonfe ; for you fuppofe the flive holder will be enabled to undcrfol your foments a day men, who according to your own fh wing are too

jwhether I ever fliall I am very poor ; but

I am not like the dog in the manger.' If others are able to acquire forvants, 1 fliall nut repine at their fuperior good for tune. I would advife you to give fl.vr holders a leAure upon the proper treatment

due to flaves. This would be an a A of

juflice and of humanity. If you think it

miferahly poor to bring a fingle thing intojpofli'ile to emancipate the' million now in market I I Hate it however, as I fuppofe i the United States, give us your fchrme,

you intended it ; but you are ftill miftaken. I think it impraAicable ; and as you mn1 We have no monopolies : the rich and your aflociates are fo feelingly Iivr t poor are upon the fame footing ; the mar- their haplrfs condition, I .fhould fuppol kit is open to all ; the price of produce de-jthat your charity. Sec. would induce you t. p-nds on the demand and the quantity in endeavour to re (rue a few thoufands fion market , the poor man for his barrel of , the fouthern country whre thry fublill, b pork or a hofliead of tohacco, gets thejthe week, upon cotton feeds. Hre w f une pri r rtth the man who has a thou-, have bread and meat in abundance, iru find ; and it wauld be as correA for youjthey would be w-H fed, and well clothed to by that the poor would prejudice the; Kftablifh the otTice of Onfor of fl c hoi fle of the produce of the wealthyi as that'ders, I would move your appointment , the latter could injure the former. jand if you live, and may God preforve you As to the furthe r introduAion of flaves life many years, who would dare to miflre.t

being contrary to religion, kc. I (lull f.y a flave, when he fuhjcAcd himfolf t yon but little about it. You are nndei fiood to(incui(ition, and to the lath of your fatire ? luve ieen eleAed upon the princljlc that SLIM SIMON.

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Feb. 7th, 1808.

To a Citizen of Vinccnnes.

you were in favor ol' ll avery ; and that not

17 months fiucr, you made a long fpeech in the leilbture to that cffrA. I now fincerely c onjratulate ycu on your miraculous convei lion ; and that God Almighty,

uotwithft ntlituj yon ws fo lately in favor I regret fir, that I hive again to addref of tint 4 net inou? polity did not rack, yu. It involuntarily produces thofe for! toiture, n.iv flnke you, but, in the ful- in.s of difull, which .ue excited by th nrfo of his merry, has Ip-tred VOJ with your approach of tome noxious reptile. A nii hauJs, arns and eves, to illumii.ate us ii pudoued an error of judgment ; but h.

with th.e vivifying rays of your refplen- is to be deteilrd wh-n he wilfully utter

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mni!,' than tint you had one then, in 'up- the further introduAion nflltvrs, into thi. p otin:; th?t whit h you now t!if. pp' oe ? Ten itor v, tlu-re is a clilfo cuce of ovinion

j oit v u arc athamed tint, wr have fo lit- and I trull it is an hone ft of.e ; or 1 am pMon irity, rri; ifn, nd rT'ihlicanifm.' not diipoled to believe a mat, uiiltonrfi. be

!u:tiven-lv n d low ;v.ce (,1 (rA us y0ll jt;ivr not reCei v aufo hi; opinion diiT.-rs from mine. Tlu v !h in c..uiitv, , -ry trie 1 of his inerc ies, .ii d that in his people of the Kilrni itatcs aie 'rrieralU atn'h.ieiuy t,l I mJ l-'f th-!own v-od time, h w ill. without rat ki, ppofrd to h-luiig llavr ; th'.dc of thf !l" iiul i'ii .!. II ,'rff "Itr.r'miiiirnr th A i i , I u i tig u s i n t o hi ft f o ! d , oouthrrn llatri a-e generally in favor of it. i, mini rr i I) li.rdl as v. r.h loud luuuis, r.nd ryi r. What ' rert a inly, very Ntrly, there wan a in i

f-'iin: t r everv nun. , t-v voa to Abraham. lf:r. niid T acoh . i o it v -f the p ood oro:,le , f S. t i ,.An a ,.4

- unv -.'Mom- fir-'lmldmr lor- numher of llvri ? Th-v tint rtiinion. Some tn-A-m ir a mrf f

f i ii u vfoii, r co u.ru iiiuii .lim reunions creed to oppnl J' us a )w T-rtuUtiiur l,vrrv ? it in evriv finpe ; there are other 5, rcu dl

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f f tIiu!v live ' 'ovler ' auJ ori'y, held l .e$ f.-r life. itlrin-n on n moral or

they ar-1 h;t v-Mi I V tl.it every pnncjp'e nfhu- pie whfver: a.Kl th"y

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Territory, is not whether flavery is right

or wrong in the abflra A Slavery exifis

in the U. Mates here ; but as the further importation has been wifoly prohibited, and as, it is faid, the tittiation of the flaves is

deplorable, and the Southern fiates are cx-

poted to no tmall haaard from their num

bers, the enquiry tor evety politician and moralill is, what way are thofe now in the

U. States to be difpofed of, that they m?.y be leaft prejudicial to the community at large, molt bcnthVial to their owners, and by which their condition would be mofl ameliorated? This is the true queltion; what is to be doHe with them ? Vould you baiiifli them to Africa ? the cruelty of the aA would not be exceeded by that of their original importa:ion ; or would you colonize them in the Louitianian wilds, to

fall a prey to hunger, difoafe and the' ferocity of the nieicdefs favage ? or woutd you emancipate them with a dash of the pen, and turn loofe upon the country, upwards of a million of perfons, nine tenths of whom are in the Southern ftates, without the means of fubfiftence, and by which you wou'd expofe our pr- perty to pilagc and our perfons to atTalTination ? - Or would you adopt a gradual abolition I That isconfidered in Virginia, Sc 1 believe in the other Southern ftates, as dangerous and impraAicable as an immediate emancipation. I have thought it a diAate of found policy, that their owners fhould be permitted to remove with them wherefoever they ple-fod ; and that in the courfe of tbrprefont century, confidering the vafl: emigration to the Wefiern territories they would br fo difp-rfod, that they could be cmanr ipated with the fame eafe and fafoty, that they have kern in N. England It is the only foafinlc plan of which the cafe is fufceptible ; it is one that ought to be adopted by every emancipator and it is one that is favAiowed by every fentiment ot jultice, policy and humanity. But it would deprave the morals of the people .This is a matter of opinion ; and I do not think that expeiience verifies the faA. There are men in this county, whoj tho violently oppofod to flavery, have as many, either for lite or years, as they can procure, they muft have fomebody to aflilt in the drudgery of the kitc hen and the huh ; and v ho fo convenient or cheap as flave ? And will thofe perfons concede h t their morals are thereby corrupted or npaired ? Or will any one dare to charge '.fin with the f-A ? And arc the morals fthe people of the 'Southern ftates lefg nrr, than thofe of Pennfj Ivania, or their reitfion, lefs orthodox and fincere, than that f the people of N. Englard ? There are )-ople here from all the different parts of hf Union let thein answer. Rut it is of v.,ft political importance and hofe who are in favour of it are ariltocrats have already touched upon this. Will ou fay that the people of the Southern ' tes, the ivhigs of '70 were ariltocrats? re the people of Kentucky, or the old olunteers, who for a forirs ot years defend d our frontiers, foderalilli and ariftocrats f ) the people of the il ate of Ohio occupy a iirher grade of moral, political and rcli"His virtue and excellence than thofe of !vntU( l:y ? Will you brand a minifter of he golp-l with a want of morality nd region beraufo he potTetTes a flave ? The

lea would be prrpollerous ; and fatffc nd experience are in the teeth of the fupoiition. 1 had proceeded thus far, when mrJohnfion, up.n your invitation, tame fr rth with his confusion cf faith. I fliall ftiorcly pay my rrfprAs to him ; and, in the mean time, will leave you and him to reontilc acts and t rrftssiens. I will not

enouire whether the mafure was nrc.roii.

terted between you and him ; it is needle fo ; the readinefs, however, with whiclf he Ins attended to your invitation, will, I m fearful, c;uife him much trouble and vexation ; there will he otlser rails ; and many doubts and difficulties to cfovelope. And if any soreness fhould be folt from the examination, you may blame vourfelf.yon have provoked th- fcrutisiy ;'and refl affurrd fir, your wouiufo 0:11 be probrd. And it is come to this, that our brains

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I am aware that rnniparifons are odimi ; hut you have provoked them ; nd if there are men, holding llavrs, in this county, fo loll to all fonle of decency, as to countenance your nti'r.rpcntis infofonce, I v. dlpnfii the comparifoiis fnr the r,-- will make them persora!. 'VUis is not an empty threat ; I have ample trutciuli ; the pjituits will be ekfily drawn.